Having second thoughts about my ED

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Should I ED to Columbia?

ED to Columbia
7
15%
Risk the WL and see what $$ I can get from other T14s
40
85%
 
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Having second thoughts about my ED

Postby moonman157 » Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:42 pm

So up until now I have been dead set on applying ED to Columbia, which is my dream school. I love NYC and have no problem working biglaw, and with my 174/3.64 it seemed like the best bet for me. I am coming out of undergrad with no debt and have a decent amount of money saved up for law schol.

However, $260K is a TON of debt and that's really just starting to hit me. I don't want my life and career choices completely limited by debt. Like I said, I would absolutely work NYC biglaw, but PI alternatives are attractive as well (though I know how difficult these are to get now) and striking out is always a scary possibility.

Long story short, am I making a huge mistake by applying ED to Columbia?
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Re: Having second thoughts about my ED

Postby mr.hands » Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:59 pm

I probably wouldn't ED. I'd just apply elsewhere in T14 and get a lot of money. Cornell will give you $$, NYU may throw you a good bit (60K+), etc. Those will give you solid options in NY if you want to stay there (then again, a lot of T14s give you good options for NY)

Columbia isn't a bad choice, but T14 at half cost (or cheaper) is really nice

That's just me.

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Re: Having second thoughts about my ED

Postby Crowing » Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:17 pm

Imo ED is only a good decision if 1) you aren't going to get money anyway and 2) it gives a significant boost. CLS doesn't give much if any boost to EDers and your numbers are good enough to actually get some T-14 scholys so if I were you I wouldn't ED anywhere.

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Re: Having second thoughts about my ED

Postby moonman157 » Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:29 pm

Ya, that's where my dilemma comes in. Columbia definitely has the best career prospects out of the schools that I have a chance at, but I don't know how much those added prospects are worth compared to the money I would receive at other T-14s (most specifically NYU and Cornell). I guess I'm interested to see how much people would give up Columbia for, although I understand that this largely depends on the person and his/her financial situation/debt aversion. Any input is appreciate though! Thanks.

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Re: Having second thoughts about my ED

Postby Tiago Splitter » Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:33 pm

I wouldn't ED Columbia. You have a good shot at 50K or more from NYU.

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Re: Having second thoughts about my ED

Postby moonman157 » Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:07 pm

Added a poll

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Re: Having second thoughts about my ED

Postby TheColonel » Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:46 pm

Have you thought about Northwestern ED? If you have some work experience, I'm pretty sure you'd be competitive with your numbers. While I'm sure Columbia provides an edge in NYC hiring, I doubt it's a $250k advantage.

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Re: Having second thoughts about my ED

Postby moonman157 » Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:52 pm

TheColonel wrote:Have you thought about Northwestern ED? If you have some work experience, I'm pretty sure you'd be competitive with your numbers. While I'm sure Columbia provides an edge in NYC hiring, I doubt it's a $250k advantage.


Unfortunately no work experience :( Northwestern full ride would be pretty sweet though!

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Re: Having second thoughts about my ED

Postby Swimp » Tue Sep 25, 2012 12:03 am

I think the deciding factor for me would be that Columbia doesn't seem to give a bump to ED applicants

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Re: Having second thoughts about my ED

Postby moonman157 » Tue Sep 25, 2012 12:06 am

Swimp wrote:I think the deciding factor for me would be that Columbia doesn't seem to give a bump to ED applicants


Is this the case though? I did go through LSN a little while ago, and it seemed that I'm right at the cusp of Acceptance and waitlist, and the ED candidates around numbers got in and the ones who applied RD got WL'ed. Am I just terrible at reading data, or do I not remember this correctly?

I mean, with an ED they would get a guaranteed 174 and full tuition. That has to count for something, right?

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Re: Having second thoughts about my ED

Postby TheColonel » Tue Sep 25, 2012 10:28 pm

moonman157 wrote:
Swimp wrote:I think the deciding factor for me would be that Columbia doesn't seem to give a bump to ED applicants


Is this the case though? I did go through LSN a little while ago, and it seemed that I'm right at the cusp of Acceptance and waitlist, and the ED candidates around numbers got in and the ones who applied RD got WL'ed. Am I just terrible at reading data, or do I not remember this correctly?

I mean, with an ED they would get a guaranteed 174 and full tuition. That has to count for something, right?


Obviously there aren't many data points, but the ED boost doesn't seem to exist.

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Re: Having second thoughts about my ED

Postby soj » Tue Sep 25, 2012 10:52 pm

Don't give away your good stats for full price.

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Re: Having second thoughts about my ED

Postby 09042014 » Tue Sep 25, 2012 10:55 pm

moonman157 wrote:Ya, that's where my dilemma comes in. Columbia definitely has the best career prospects out of the schools that I have a chance at, but I don't know how much those added prospects are worth compared to the money I would receive at other T-14s (most specifically NYU and Cornell). I guess I'm interested to see how much people would give up Columbia for, although I understand that this largely depends on the person and his/her financial situation/debt aversion. Any input is appreciate though! Thanks.


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Re: Having second thoughts about my ED

Postby moonman157 » Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:52 am

Thanks for the responses everyone. I'm definitely starting to lean towards applying RD and seeing what happens, but it's hard to move away from my dream (even if it is in the more practical direction). Is 15K at NYU really enough to draw someone away from CLS, given NYU's higher COA/lower career prospects?

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Re: Having second thoughts about my ED

Postby 04102014 » Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:18 am

I voted risk the WL mainly because I think you have a great shot RD (or at least the numbers say you have as good of a shot RD as you would ED), and I think you'd be better off making a decision whether to pay sticker at CLS (assuming no aid) when there are other offers in play. If ED gave a significant boost I would feel differently.

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Re: Having second thoughts about my ED

Postby moonman157 » Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:24 am

ohpobrecito wrote:I voted risk the WL mainly because I think you have a great shot RD (or at least the numbers say you have as good of a shot RD as you would ED), and I think you'd be better off making a decision whether to pay sticker at CLS (assuming no aid) when there are other offers in play. If ED gave a significant boost I would feel differently.

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Re: Having second thoughts about my ED

Postby twenty » Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:06 pm

It seems like you'll be somewhere between this:

http://lawschoolnumbers.com/Heath444

And this:

http://lawschoolnumbers.com/davidboring

First got substantial money from other schools. 60k from Chicago and 37k from NYU are both acceptable, and perhaps better options to Columbia at sticker. Second guy was lucky to get NYU at sticker. Don't know what went wrong, or why the huge disparity, but there it is.

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Re: Having second thoughts about my ED

Postby moonman157 » Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:51 pm

twentypercentmore wrote:It seems like you'll be somewhere between this:

http://lawschoolnumbers.com/Heath444

And this:

http://lawschoolnumbers.com/davidboring

First got substantial money from other schools. 60k from Chicago and 37k from NYU are both acceptable, and perhaps better options to Columbia at sticker. Second guy was lucky to get NYU at sticker. Don't know what went wrong, or why the huge disparity, but there it is.


That's what I'm afraid of lol. Do you think the disparity had anything to do with the one user's Ivy League background, or potentially better softs/LORs? Though the consensus seems to be that CCN is very numbers-based. Sorry for sounding so neurotic, I've just been stressing over this recently. Thanks.

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Re: Having second thoughts about my ED

Postby TheColonel » Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:28 pm

moonman157 wrote:
twentypercentmore wrote:It seems like you'll be somewhere between this:

http://lawschoolnumbers.com/Heath444

And this:

http://lawschoolnumbers.com/davidboring

First got substantial money from other schools. 60k from Chicago and 37k from NYU are both acceptable, and perhaps better options to Columbia at sticker. Second guy was lucky to get NYU at sticker. Don't know what went wrong, or why the huge disparity, but there it is.


That's what I'm afraid of lol. Do you think the disparity had anything to do with the one user's Ivy League background, or potentially better softs/LORs? Though the consensus seems to be that CCN is very numbers-based. Sorry for sounding so neurotic, I've just been stressing over this recently. Thanks.


It looks like it may be a case of him not waiting out the waitlists or not updating at the end of his cycle. Consensus seems to be that Ivy league UG is only a tiny bump but better softs/LORs are definitely a possibility.

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Re: Having second thoughts about my ED

Postby moonman157 » Fri Sep 28, 2012 2:08 pm

How should my lack of post-undergrad work experience play into this decision? I read someone post that you shouldn't ED if you're not willing to work in NYC. Is the same thing true for work experience?

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Re: Having second thoughts about my ED

Postby Swimp » Fri Sep 28, 2012 2:19 pm

moonman157 wrote:How should my lack of post-undergrad work experience play into this decision? I read someone post that you shouldn't ED if you're not willing to work in NYC. Is the same thing true for work experience?


I think they were probably saying that because, if you ED, you're not going to get much money from CLS, if any. So you'll have to work NYC biglaw to pay off the loans. I don't see what that has to do with prior work experience.

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Re: Having second thoughts about my ED

Postby moonman157 » Fri Sep 28, 2012 2:22 pm

Swimp wrote:
moonman157 wrote:How should my lack of post-undergrad work experience play into this decision? I read someone post that you shouldn't ED if you're not willing to work in NYC. Is the same thing true for work experience?


I think they were probably saying that because, if you ED, you're not going to get much money from CLS, if any. So you'll have to work NYC biglaw to pay off the loans. I don't see what that has to do with prior work experience.


Sorry for the confusion, I was referring to a post from another thread.

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Re: Having second thoughts about my ED

Postby moonman157 » Sun Sep 30, 2012 5:05 pm

Alright, I've made my decision and I'll be applying RD. Thanks everyone for the responses/votes, and keep your fingers crossed for me!




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