C/O 2015 Medians and Class Sizes

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Re: C/O 2015 Medians and Class Sizes

Postby Yukos » Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:12 pm

I found an article from last year saying the GULC class was 600 exactly. That could be totally wrong though, I only spent a couple minutes looking.

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Re: C/O 2015 Medians and Class Sizes

Postby Robespierre » Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:59 pm

ABA data says 579, meaning this year's class is pretty much unchanged, but maybe you're right, I dunno.
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Re: C/O 2015 Medians and Class Sizes

Postby Yukos » Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:30 pm

Robespierre wrote:ABA data says 579, meaning this year's class is pretty much unchanged, but maybe you're right, I dunno.

https://officialguide.lsac.org/Release/ ... lData.aspx


Is that including PT? If it is, I would trust that over my source.

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Re: C/O 2015 Medians and Class Sizes

Postby jump_man » Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:31 pm

Here's some more data for you

Loyola Law School (Los Angeles)
Median LSAT: 161 (+1)
Median GPA: 3.54 (+0.04)
Source (LinkRemoved)


UC Hastings
Median LSAT: 162 (No Change)
Median GPA: 3.59 (-0.01)
Source (LinkRemoved)


Lewis and Clark
Median LSAT: 160 (-1)
Median GPA: 3.47 (-0.02)
Source


Cardozo
Median LSAT: 163 (+1)
Median GPA: 3.55 (-0.05)
Source

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Re: C/O 2015 Medians and Class Sizes

Postby Robespierre » Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:14 pm

Yukos wrote:
Robespierre wrote:ABA data says 579, meaning this year's class is pretty much unchanged, but maybe you're right, I dunno.

https://officialguide.lsac.org/Release/ ... lData.aspx


Is that including PT? If it is, I would trust that over my source.


Yah, 510 FT, 69 PT last year.

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Re: C/O 2015 Medians and Class Sizes

Postby tim.janitor » Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:28 pm

I think this thread is great. However, I think some of the most interesting data will come from TTT/TTTT schools. I am sure those cash hoarding whores are doing shady things.

They will be the schools that are hit the hardest.

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Re: C/O 2015 Medians and Class Sizes

Postby Yukos » Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:46 pm

Robespierre wrote:
Yukos wrote:
Robespierre wrote:ABA data says 579, meaning this year's class is pretty much unchanged, but maybe you're right, I dunno.

https://officialguide.lsac.org/Release/ ... lData.aspx


Is that including PT? If it is, I would trust that over my source.


Yah, 510 FT, 69 PT last year.


Looks like they increased FT and decreased PT slightly, probably in an effort to maintain medians.

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Re: C/O 2015 Medians and Class Sizes

Postby TheThriller » Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:49 pm

PT stats are no longer included in USNR FT ranking no?

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Re: C/O 2015 Medians and Class Sizes

Postby altoid99 » Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:23 pm

TheThriller wrote:PT stats are no longer included in USNR FT ranking no?


The rankings incorporate FT and PT #s.

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Re: C/O 2015 Medians and Class Sizes

Postby TheThriller » Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:25 pm

altoid99 wrote:
TheThriller wrote:PT stats are no longer included in USNR FT ranking no?


The rankings incorporate FT and PT #s.


Then why do they have separate ranking systems?

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Re: C/O 2015 Medians and Class Sizes

Postby KevinP » Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:40 pm

Updated original post with more schools. For schools that use have FT and PT programs, I will calculate the total of those two since that is what is used to calculate the rankings. (Will add Denver later).
TheThriller wrote:Then why do they have separate ranking systems?

They used to not take PT into account, but now they do.

PT is a subsection of the rankings, and therefore it can make sense to rank the schools in such a manner because some people are only interested in that subsection.

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Re: C/O 2015 Medians and Class Sizes

Postby TheThriller » Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:04 am

KevinP wrote:Updated original post with more schools. For schools that use have FT and PT programs, I will calculate the total of those two since that is what is used to calculate the rankings. (Will add Denver later).
TheThriller wrote:Then why do they have separate ranking systems?

They used to not take PT into account, but now they do.

PT is a subsection of the rankings, and therefore it can make sense to rank the schools in such a manner because some people are only interested in that subsection.


Thanks for clearing that up, I was under the impression that they used include them but now they don't, I guess I got that mixed up.

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Re: C/O 2015 Medians and Class Sizes

Postby mattviphky » Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:07 am

tim.janitor wrote:I think this thread is great. However, I think some of the most interesting data will come from TTT/TTTT schools. I am sure those cash hoarding whores are doing shady things.

They will be the schools that are hit the hardest.


They never cared before, so I'm thinking they'll probably just accept more and more unqualified people to help keep the paychecks coming.

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Re: C/O 2015 Medians and Class Sizes

Postby thelawyler » Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:34 am

mattviphky wrote:
tim.janitor wrote:I think this thread is great. However, I think some of the most interesting data will come from TTT/TTTT schools. I am sure those cash hoarding whores are doing shady things.

They will be the schools that are hit the hardest.


They never cared before, so I'm thinking they'll probably just accept more and more unqualified people to help keep the paychecks coming.

Unfortunately, this is exactly what we can probably expect. So sad.

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Re: C/O 2015 Medians and Class Sizes

Postby jump_man » Wed Sep 19, 2012 4:09 pm

Does anyone have any info on the Rutgers-Camden situation?

I'd be really curious to see how big their 1L class is this fall and what impact this had on their stats.

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Re: C/O 2015 Medians and Class Sizes

Postby GATA1989 » Wed Sep 19, 2012 4:19 pm

Spoke with UNC Chapel Hill at a law school fair she said the GPA medians were unchanged but LSAT dropped

GPA:3.33/3.51/3.69 (unchanged)
LSAT:160/162/164 (-1 on each)

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Re: C/O 2015 Medians and Class Sizes

Postby shortporch » Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:17 am

One caveat: the ABA has recently required that the school year start October 5 for purposes of matriculant LSAT/GPA data. That is, in the past, the LSAT/GPA data was usually reported as of the first day of classes (and many schools would "count" the first day of orientation as the first day of classes). But, it was a slightly deceptive stat, as there are often last-minute transfers, drops, etc. in the very first days of the semester; and, some schools would have a single early "day of class" (e.g., an orientation) to "count" that as the "first day" and report the LSAT/GPA data as of that date. (Indeed, some of the data you've logged here indicates that it is "as of the first day of classes" on the school's website.)

The October 5 reporting deadline is an attempt to reflect those last-minute changes for a more holistic picture of the class.

So, if any of your fellow 1L classmates drop, or got in off the waitlist at another school and departed after showing up for the first day of your school's classes, that's going to be reflected in the LSAT/GPA data on October 5, even if it may not be reflected on the first day of orientation.

Now, if it's a drop in the bottom half of the LSAT/GPA numbers, it can help the school; the more likely scenario is a top half LSAT/GPA number who is accepted to another law school off the waitlist and departs for that other law school after showing up to the first school's orientation.

Which is just a long way of saying, this data is probably going to change for at least some schools.

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Re: C/O 2015 Medians and Class Sizes

Postby ScratchableItch » Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:58 am

Yale was just posted:

Class of 2015
170/173/176(-1)
3.84/3.90/3.94

Class size: 203 (-2)

http://www.law.yale.edu/admissions/profile.htm

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Re: C/O 2015 Medians and Class Sizes

Postby Yukos » Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:56 pm

ScratchableItch wrote:Yale was just posted:

Class of 2015
170/173/176(-1)
3.84/3.90/3.94

Class size: 203 (-2)

http://www.law.yale.edu/admissions/profile.htm


Their GPA 25% went up .01 and their GPA 75th went down .02. But statistically they place the least value on numbers of the whole T-14 so I doubt these marginal changes will help us.

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Re: C/O 2015 Medians and Class Sizes

Postby Yukos » Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:09 am

Yukos wrote:Harvard has 25th/75ths:

HLS wrote:GPA 75th / 25th percentiles: 3.95 (-.02) / 3.77 (-.01)
LSAT 75th / 25th percentiles: 175 (-1) / 170 (-1)


Obviously this doesn't mean the medians fell but it's certainly encouraging. Maybe HYS weren't as immune to falling applications as we thought...

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Re: C/O 2015 Medians and Class Sizes

Postby outlookingin » Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:39 am

Yukos wrote:
Yukos wrote:Harvard has 25th/75ths:

HLS wrote:GPA 75th / 25th percentiles: 3.95 (-.02) / 3.77 (-.01)
LSAT 75th / 25th percentiles: 175 (-1) / 170 (-1)


Obviously this doesn't mean the medians fell but it's certainly encouraging. Maybe HYS weren't as immune to falling applications as we thought...


Sweeeeeeeeet. Did anyone else just get a little tingly?? HLS may well be within reach for those of us on the margin.

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Re: C/O 2015 Medians and Class Sizes

Postby KevinP » Sun Sep 23, 2012 2:30 am

Updated original post with more medians. I've made the T30 school names (that have their entire class profiles up) clickable. That way one is able to get the entire class profile for a specific school by clicking on that school's name.

outlookingin wrote:Sweeeeeeeeet. Did anyone else just get a little tingly?? HLS may well be within reach for those of us on the margin.

Can't say I'm surprised though. Considering the breakdown of LSAT scores (higher end showing more of a decline), the schools that should be most affected are the LSAT-preference ones at the very top with large class sizes, such as Harvard, Columbia, NYU, etc.

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Re: C/O 2015 Medians and Class Sizes

Postby criminaltheory » Tue Sep 25, 2012 12:02 pm

Loyola Chicago

158 (-2) 3.35 (-.02) 288 (+5%)

http://www.luc.edu/law/admission/pdfs/fact_sheet.pdf

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Re: C/O 2015 Medians and Class Sizes

Postby shifty_eyed » Tue Sep 25, 2012 4:07 pm

Someone posted the new medians for Chicago in the other median thread, but I thought I'd post them here because it looks like the OP updates this more frequently.


LSAT: 171 (25th 167 / 75th 173) - absolutely no change
GPA: 3.90 [+0.03] (25th 3.65 [-0.06] / 75th 3.96 [+0.01])



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Re: C/O 2015 Medians and Class Sizes

Postby 02889 » Tue Sep 25, 2012 4:46 pm

shifty_eyed wrote:Someone posted the new medians for Chicago in the other median thread, but I thought I'd post them here because it looks like the OP updates this more frequently.


LSAT: 171 (25th 167 / 75th 173) - absolutely no change
GPA: 3.90 [+0.03] (25th 3.65 [-0.06] / 75th 3.96 [+0.01])



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Whoa, Chicago needs to calm down with that median GPA. Though I guess it was always a little crazy that Chicago's 25th was equal to NYU's and Columbia's medians.




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