In 2015 the US will have ~63,000 fewer lawyers than needed

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In 2015 the US will have ~63,000 fewer lawyers than needed

Postby LawBrah » Sun Jul 29, 2012 8:46 pm

Whoops, I meant doctors. Why can't the ABA be more like the AMA?

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Re: In 2015 the US will have ~63,000 fewer lawyers than needed

Postby BallHog » Sun Jul 29, 2012 8:48 pm

Damnit. I bet the law market would be a lot better if we didn't have all these bullshit tier 4 schools accepting everyone and their mother.

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Re: In 2015 the US will have ~63,000 fewer lawyers than needed

Postby twiffy » Sun Jul 29, 2012 8:50 pm

because it is incredibly hard to get into med school. you could have a 3.6 gpa and not get in ANYWHERE. and from what i understand (not 100% sure, someone told me this but i haven't looked it up) apparently, the AMA keeps a cap on how many med schools/med students are allowed each year. There are soooooo many less med schools than law schools, and you won't find a "cooley" of medical schools.

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Re: In 2015 the US will have ~63,000 fewer lawyers than needed

Postby bhan87 » Sun Jul 29, 2012 8:58 pm

twiffy wrote:because it is incredibly hard to get into med school. you could have a 3.6 gpa and not get in ANYWHERE. and from what i understand (not 100% sure, someone told me this but i haven't looked it up) apparently, the AMA keeps a cap on how many med schools/med students are allowed each year. There are soooooo many less med schools than law schools, and you won't find a "cooley" of medical schools.


This is pretty true:

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Some medians go as low as 3.6, but this is only from a pool of applicants that all either majored or took significant credits in hard sciences.

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Re: In 2015 the US will have ~63,000 fewer lawyers than needed

Postby mattviphky » Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:21 pm

those GPAs are pretty inline with T1 and some T2 law schools. It's a problem of 5 TTTTs spewing out 3,000 unemployed lawyers every year.

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Postby bhan87 » Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:27 pm

mattviphky wrote:those GPAs are pretty inline with T1 and some T2 law schools. It's a problem of 5 TTTTs spewing out 3,000 unemployed lawyers every year.


Again, the GPAs for med school skew downward compared to law school because every med school applicant is required to either major in a hard science or, at the very least, take a large number of credits in hard sciences.

If we eliminated 3,000 graduates, we'd still have way too many lawyers. It's more like, we need to eliminate the entire T3 and T4 and parts of the T2.

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Re: In 2015 the US will have ~63,000 fewer lawyers than needed

Postby BallHog » Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:32 pm

bhan87 wrote:If we eliminated 3,000 graduates, we'd still have way too many lawyers. It's more like, we need to eliminate the entire T3 and T4 and parts of the T2.


If the market stays the way it has, this will sort itself out.

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Re: In 2015 the US will have ~63,000 fewer lawyers than needed

Postby Nova » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:11 pm

LawBrah wrote:Whoops, I meant doctors.

Good one :lol: :lol:
BallHog wrote:Damnit. I bet the law market would be a lot better if we didn't have all these bullshit tier 4 schools accepting everyone and their mother.

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bhan87 wrote: It's more like, we need to eliminate the entire T3 and T4 and parts of the T2.

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Re: In 2015 the US will have ~63,000 fewer lawyers than needed

Postby Tom Joad » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:23 pm

Looks like I better start a 1 year lawyer to doctor school.

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Re: In 2015 the US will have ~63,000 fewer lawyers than needed

Postby Mick Haller » Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:53 am

There are plenty of well qualified Asian and South Asian physicians who would love to fill that shortage. The problem is domestic physicians who feel entitled to 2x international salaries.

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Re: In 2015 the US will have ~63,000 fewer lawyers than needed

Postby 09042014 » Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:11 am

It's not really the AMA but the number of residencies which keep the number of doctors low. The problem isn't too many law schools it is the cost of law schools.

1) Law school should be 2 years

2) It should only require 60 hours of college credit

3) The cost should be exactly the same as BA/BS tuition

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Re: In 2015 the US will have ~63,000 fewer lawyers than needed

Postby BallHog » Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:45 am

Mick Haller wrote:There are plenty of well qualified Asian and South Asian physicians who would love to fill that shortage. The problem is domestic physicians who feel entitled to 2x international salaries.


Personally know a South Asian applying to med school. Many of them are qualified (good MCAT/GPA), but some can't get in because of the number of South Asian's med schools choose to take is so much lower than the number who apply. I'm sure this is the case for other ORMs.

The shortage of doctors in the US can be attributed to the fact that med schools take so long to build. Don't most, if not all, med schools have hospitals? Law schools are much easier to build, hence all the crap Tier 4 schools. Schools can't afford to erect a med school just as a "cash cow" because there is a lot of time and investment that goes into it.

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Re: In 2015 the US will have ~63,000 fewer lawyers than needed

Postby mr.hands » Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:14 am

Many of the "lowest ranked" med schools have a lower acceptance rate than HYS law. Most are around 4% (and GW is 2%)

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Re: In 2015 the US will have ~63,000 fewer lawyers than needed

Postby Mick Haller » Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:27 pm

mr.hands wrote:Many of the "lowest ranked" med schools have a lower acceptance rate than HYS law. Most are around 4% (and GW is 2%)

It's a big reason why the US has the fewest doctors per capita in the world. By the way the number of applicants to med school has gone way up while acceptances are up only slightly. You can't tell me there are fewer qualified applicants today than there were 30 years ago.

We need more med schools and more doctors, period. Maybe if there were 20 dermatologists in my town instead of 5, this guy couldn't have charged me $700+ for a routine office visit

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Re: In 2015 the US will have ~63,000 fewer lawyers than needed

Postby Big Dog » Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:47 pm

It's not really the AMA but the number of residencies which keep the number of doctors low.


Almost...it's the number of funded residencies that limit med schools. (And most of that funding comes from the feds.) Of course, med schools are darned expensive to operate, unlike law schools which have tended to be cash cows.


(Not sure why the masses on TLS keep blaming/giving credit to the AMA for limited med school slost...)




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