UG reputation / class rank when EDing

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UG reputation / class rank when EDing

Postby afnaidel » Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:46 pm

Hi, I have 3.77/170 and I'm wondering about which schools I should apply to, and then which school I should ED to.

I've been using LSN to find answers to these questions, but I always end up wondering about one thing: how to interpret my GPA.

When I see applicant profiles from LSN, I notice that a lot of them list their undergrad as Ivy or Top 40.
Well, my undergraduate school is fairly good, but it is not in the top of the list.

In addition, I didn't get any Latin honor because my GPA was about 0.01 lower than what was needed to get cum laude. So that puts me around the 89th percentile.

So, when I see GPA on LSN, how should I compare it with mine and calculate my chance?
In other words, do undergraduate reputation and class rank matter?

To admission officers, is my 3.77 GPA the same as someone else's who got 3.77 but was magna cum laude from Ivy?


*Before you accuse me of not searching or knowing the obvious answer, please see my replies below. Thanks.

**edited for additional information
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Re: Do undergrad reputation and class rank matter?

Postby JohnV » Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:50 pm

Traditional TLS wisdom (as I have found out through the same kind of post) is that GPA is really all they will look at. If you went to an Ivy League for UG or somewhere widely known and respected, it *may* give you a few points of consideration with admissions if they had to choose between you and someone with similar numbers, but really it shouldn't matter. There are too many schools, majors, classes, and professors with different ways of grading and varying degrees of difficulty to place too much emphasis on where the grade was obtained from.

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Re: Do undergrad reputation and class rank matter?

Postby JetsFan1990 » Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:52 pm

I would say that the degree earned is more important. A BS is certainly going to be more highly regarded than a BA.

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Re: Do undergrad reputation and class rank matter?

Postby Kurst » Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:54 pm

Kurst wrote:Does your undergrad school matter? Can it help an applicant?
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Re: Do undergrad reputation and class rank matter?

Postby Nova » Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:56 pm

It doesn't really matter. You are either at/above or below the LSAC GPA median, and that matters far more than anything else.

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Re: Do undergrad reputation and class rank matter?

Postby Ludo! » Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:57 pm

Kurst wrote:
Kurst wrote:Does your undergrad school matter? Can it help an applicant?
Does your undergraduate institution matter?
Importance of undergrade prestige for T14?
3.0 from Dartmouth versus 3.0 from state school
Non-elite UG: a T-6 killer?
Any T14 students here started at community college for UG?
Do T14's look down on community colleges?
It doesn't matter where you went for UG!
What Undergraduate School should I pick to help my LS Admiss
Should I Transfer Undergraduate Schools?
High numbers, low undergrad prestigue
Does the undergraduate school matter?
Undergraduate Advice
How much does your undergraduate Institution Matter?
How important is undergrad prestige?
Why is it that UG institution is irrelevant?
Does Undergraduate School Matter?
to what degree does undergraduate institution matter at HYS?
does undergrad matter at all?
Do law schools really care what school you attended for UG?
How much does UG matter?
College Freshman looking at Law School
178 LSAT, 3.93 GPA - Does UG really matter?
Importance of Undergrad Institution
Unknown Undergraduate Institution
Weight of UG institution in LS+ Big Law
UG MATTERS! Don't believe the hype
Will undergrad prestige matter?
Does undergraduate school matter?
Does where you went Undergraduate matter?
does your undergrad university prestige matter?
How much does undergrad school matter?
Does your undergraduate school matter?
Does Undergraduate School Matter?
Does the Undergrad School you graduate from matter?
Does school matter?
Undergrad Prestige
snob appeal of your undergraduate institution
Question about GPA major and school prestige
Is UG prestige a factor in the admission process?
OS Updates: Yes, Virginia, Undergraduate Schools Matter.
How much does where you went to undergrad matter?
Why does quality of undergrad matter so little?
How much does where you did undergrad matter?
How much does what undergrad school you attend matter?
Undergrad doesn't matter! (unless it's a good one)
Does undergrad matter
Quality of undergrad institution does matter!
Does undergrad matter?
Undergrad doesnt matter? WSJ disagrees.
Name of Undergrad School Matter in Applying?
How much weight is given to your undergrad college?
Importance of Undergraduate University??
Does it matter where you do your UG studies for T14 schools?
Does quality of undergrad make a significant difference?
Does UG Really Not Matter?
How much does where you went for UG factor in?


Lolol. Save this post, it will be useful at least once a week

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Re: Do undergrad reputation and class rank matter?

Postby afnaidel » Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:58 pm

JohnV wrote:it *may* give you a few points of consideration with admissions if they had to choose between you and someone with similar numbers, but really it shouldn't matter.


Nova wrote:It doesn't really matter. You are either at/above or below the LSAC GPA median, and that matters far more than anything else.


That's what I fear. I'm wondering whether or not I should ED to UPenn.
According to LSN, around 50% of the people with 170/3.61-3.81 gets in with RD, and 50% don't.
So I'm debating about EDing to UPenn and maybe lose a chance to get $, or not EDing and risk being waitlisted.

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Re: Do undergrad reputation and class rank matter?

Postby afnaidel » Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:01 pm

Ludovico Technique wrote:Lolol. Save this post, it will be useful at least once a week


I know how you guys feel about this kind of questions, but if you are really future lawyers, you should know that every situation is different. As I posted above, I'm wondering whether or not to ED when I'm around the median, and I'm wondering whether or not my undergraduate school makes difference in answering that.

As I mentioned in the above reply, I wonder I should consider my chance as in the lower side among the applicants with the same number as mine because of my UG and class rank. If I can know the answer to that, I can decide to or against EDing to UPenn.

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Re: UG reputation / class rank when EDing (edited)

Postby Gandalf205 » Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:15 pm

afnaidel wrote:
Ludovico Technique wrote:Lolol. Save this post, it will be useful at least once a week


I know how you guys feel about this kind of questions, but if you are really future lawyers, you should know that every situation is different. As I posted above, I'm wondering whether or not to ED when I'm around the median, and I'm wondering whether or not my undergraduate school makes difference in answering that.


If you are really a future lawyer, you should become adept at using internet search parameters to resolve your questions.

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Re: UG reputation / class rank when EDing (edited)

Postby afnaidel » Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:17 pm

Gandalf205 wrote:
afnaidel wrote:
Ludovico Technique wrote:Lolol. Save this post, it will be useful at least once a week


I know how you guys feel about this kind of questions, but if you are really future lawyers, you should know that every situation is different. As I posted above, I'm wondering whether or not to ED when I'm around the median, and I'm wondering whether or not my undergraduate school makes difference in answering that.


If you are really a future lawyer, you should become adept at using internet search parameters to resolve your questions.



Did you actually do the search? Even when I used the terms like "early decision" and "class rank" or "reputation" I couldn't find the answer specific to my case. Well, if my search skill is not that good, I'm sorry. But I did my best, and I couldn't find any good answer. If you can find another post with the same situation, the link to that post would be nice. Thanks.

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Re: UG reputation / class rank when EDing (edited)

Postby Ludo! » Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:31 pm

As a lawyer a lot of times there is no exact answer to what you are looking for and the best you can do is find answers to questions similar to yours. In your case - UG does not matter for admissions or for jobs, so it's pretty likely it doesn't matter for EDing either. It probably matters even less. I wish the questions I researched at work were as easy as that

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Re: UG reputation / class rank when EDing (edited)

Postby afnaidel » Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:35 pm

Ludovico Technique wrote:As a lawyer a lot of times there is no exact answer to what you are looking for and the best you can do is find answers to questions similar to yours. In your case - UG does not matter for admissions or for jobs, so it's pretty likely it doesn't matter for EDing either. It probably matters even less. I wish the questions I researched at work were as easy as that


Thanks. I know that it is extremely hard to get a perfect answer to a question like this, but you never know if there's someone who were in the same situation and can provide an answer. My belief is that as a future lawyer I need to prepare myself to recognize even the smallest details, and I didn't want to jump into the admission process without knowing exactly what I'm doing.

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Re: Do undergrad reputation and class rank matter?

Postby Yukos » Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:58 pm

Kurst wrote:
Kurst wrote:Does your undergrad school matter? Can it help an applicant?
Does your undergraduate institution matter?
Importance of undergrade prestige for T14?
3.0 from Dartmouth versus 3.0 from state school
Non-elite UG: a T-6 killer?
Any T14 students here started at community college for UG?
Do T14's look down on community colleges?
It doesn't matter where you went for UG!
What Undergraduate School should I pick to help my LS Admiss
Should I Transfer Undergraduate Schools?
High numbers, low undergrad prestigue
Does the undergraduate school matter?
Undergraduate Advice
How much does your undergraduate Institution Matter?
How important is undergrad prestige?
Why is it that UG institution is irrelevant?
Does Undergraduate School Matter?
to what degree does undergraduate institution matter at HYS?
does undergrad matter at all?
Do law schools really care what school you attended for UG?
How much does UG matter?
College Freshman looking at Law School
178 LSAT, 3.93 GPA - Does UG really matter?
Importance of Undergrad Institution
Unknown Undergraduate Institution
Weight of UG institution in LS+ Big Law
UG MATTERS! Don't believe the hype
Will undergrad prestige matter?
Does undergraduate school matter?
Does where you went Undergraduate matter?
does your undergrad university prestige matter?
How much does undergrad school matter?
Does your undergraduate school matter?
Does Undergraduate School Matter?
Does the Undergrad School you graduate from matter?
Does school matter?
Undergrad Prestige
snob appeal of your undergraduate institution
Question about GPA major and school prestige
Is UG prestige a factor in the admission process?
OS Updates: Yes, Virginia, Undergraduate Schools Matter.
How much does where you went to undergrad matter?
Why does quality of undergrad matter so little?
How much does where you did undergrad matter?
How much does what undergrad school you attend matter?
Undergrad doesn't matter! (unless it's a good one)
Does undergrad matter
Quality of undergrad institution does matter!
Does undergrad matter?
Undergrad doesnt matter? WSJ disagrees.
Name of Undergrad School Matter in Applying?
How much weight is given to your undergrad college?
Importance of Undergraduate University??
Does it matter where you do your UG studies for T14 schools?
Does quality of undergrad make a significant difference?
Does UG Really Not Matter?
How much does where you went for UG factor in?


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