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 Post subject: Re: Rutgers just admitted me without my applying
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InGoodFaith wrote:
You realize that by having fewer students, Rutgers could make their expenditures per student shoot through the roof, right? It's also easier to game LSAT/GPA with fewer students.


That might be offset from any drop in peer ranking if Rutgers is forced to fire tenure track professors or reduce salaries/perks.


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 Post subject: Re: Rutgers just admitted me without my applying
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InGoodFaith wrote:
You realize that by having fewer students, Rutgers could make their expenditures per student shoot through the roof, right? It's also easier to game LSAT/GPA with fewer students.

Depends on what their non-tuition revenue looks like.


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ITT: Speculation runs rampant.


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 Post subject: Re: Rutgers just admitted me without my applying
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Bump. Just got the same solicitation in the mail but with a full-ride, Top 40% stip. Waived the application fee and seat deposit.


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 Post subject: Re: Rutgers just admitted me without my applying
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I just received this letter today too. I got the Academic Promise Scholar (18k renewable with top 40%/10k renewable with 3.0) offer. And I am from Alabama. Other than a best friend who stays about 40 minutes away from Camden, I have no ties there whatsoever. I would look silly going there when there are five schools here that I could have applied to.

My numbers are 2.4/167, just a tad lower than OP's I think. I'm pretty sure we would have gotten in if we had applied normally so I don't think RC is dipping below their normal level of acceptances; they're probably just targeting mid to high-160 splitters in the hope that enough of us had a really bad cycle and are desperate to attend somewhere. I did have a bad cycle, but not bad enough to be stupid when I can just retake and reapply next year.


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 Post subject: Re: Rutgers just admitted me without my applying
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InGoodFaith wrote:
It's also easier to game LSAT/GPA with fewer students.

Not when you have so few students because nobody wants to attend the school. If people are abandoning RU-C in droves then it's probably not the people with better prospects who are sticking around, you dig?


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Bildungsroman wrote:
InGoodFaith wrote:
It's also easier to game LSAT/GPA with fewer students.

Not when you have so few students because nobody wants to attend the school. If people are abandoning RU-C in droves then it's probably not the people with better prospects who are sticking around, you dig?


Yeah, guess that makes sense.


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 Post subject: Re: Rutgers just admitted me without my applying
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So, maybe I should call them and see if they would pay me that amount in a stipend instead of a scholarship. Then I could use the GI Bill to pay for school and they would basically pay me for going. Yeah, that could be the ticket!

It would actually be tempting but think I will stick with Fordham. I do think Rutgers C will come out just fine in the long run though even without my special snowflakeness there.


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I wonder how US news will rank the selectivity of a school whose number of offers exceeds its number of applicants.


I lol'd


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 Post subject: Re: Rutgers just admitted me without my applying
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Blumpbeef wrote:
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I wonder how US news will rank the selectivity of a school whose number of offers exceeds its number of applicants.


I lol'd

Considering the University of Michigan's undergrad has a 51% acceptance rate and is still deemed "most selective", maybe that would fall under "somewhat selective"? lol


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 Post subject: Re: Rutgers just admitted me without my applying
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JDizzle2015 wrote:
Blumpbeef wrote:
KevinP wrote:
I wonder how US news will rank the selectivity of a school whose number of offers exceeds its number of applicants.


I lol'd

Considering the University of Michigan's undergrad has a 51% acceptance rate and is still deemed "most selective", maybe that would fall under "somewhat selective"? lol


They turn down 7000 a year. I guess that's the selective part.

BTW, they haven't made an offer yet. Their letter says "if you apply and are accepted" or similar. It leaves more wiggle room than Baylor's "We don't have space for you but if you apply for Spring start, your acceptance letter will be mailed immediately," but the implication is there.

Really it's just a giant fee waiver. They figure they're going to offer money to anyone over LSAT 16x so they offer money before the application. You apply and they get the LSATs they want. Plus the fact that they get to turn some folks down is just gravy.


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 Post subject: Re: Rutgers just admitted me without my applying
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thederangedwang wrote:
any chance you could type a bit what the letter said? im struggling to see how the managed to explain that in the letter


Ask and you shall receive... after a long delay:


Rutgers-Camden wrote:
June 20, 2012

Dear BVest:

You have been selected as an individual Rutgers School of Law-Camden would like to admit in the fall of 2012 as an Academic Promise Scholar. We are waiving both the application fee and the $300 deposit fee. Should you be accepted, you will be awarded an $18,000 Academic Promise Scholarship renewable at $18,000 if you are in the top forty percent of the class or partially renewable at $10,000 if you are not in the top forty percent but maintain a 3.0 GPA. This scholarship is not transferrable to any other school within the Rutgers system or outside of our Law School.

Rutgers University is the oldest and... [blah blah... we're great... blah blah]... employment statistics.

To apply online, go to http://www.camlaw.rutgers.edu and mark your application fee as "Waived-2012 Outreach." Please add our name to your law school list with LSAC.

Because Rutgers... [student loan/FAFSA]... We hope to see you in the fall.

Sincerely,
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Camille S. Andrews
Associate Dean, School of Law-Camden


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 Post subject: Re: Rutgers just admitted me without my applying
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BTW, I'm a splitter too... did they only go after splitters thinking we were as desperate as they are, or are they just desperate for LSATs?

Also, am I supposed to add this to my LSN profile?


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 Post subject: Re: Rutgers just admitted me without my applying
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BVest wrote:
BTW, I'm a splitter too... did they only go after splitters thinking we were as desperate as they are, or are they just desperate for LSATs?

Also, am I supposed to add this to my LSN profile?


I posted this on JDU. Someone came up with a theory that they're giving us splitters these stipulated awards because there's a greater chance that we'll lose them, because we're "bad at school." I think there's a chance this is true, plus the high LSATs are a draw.


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 Post subject: Re: Rutgers just admitted me without my applying
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So it looks like everyone is up in arms about this place...thanks ATL. Let me explain Rutgers Camden to you briefly, and pain free.

In the interest of full disclosure I have gone to RC and feel like its gotten a bad name lately.

1) Neighborhood - Don't go anywhere your not supposed to. Camden is dangerous and trades places with any number of other cities for highest per capita murder rate (take that East St.Louis). Take the train and its a 3 minute ride to Philly. There is really no campus life to speak of, but campus itself is clean, and nice enough.

2)School - New building, across the street from the federal courthouse, its pretty.

3)Rankings - If you love to obsess with rankings (and who doesn't) then yes, RC has not had a great last 5 years. However there is a reason to be chipper. The small class size this year (mixed with the fact that RC didn't just admit everyone with subpar credentials) means that the ranking should go up. Student to faculty ratio will be better, as will as money spent per student. The school now also offers more scholarships from the sound of it. To those concerned about the rankings I'd offer this piece of advice - the school took a big hit this year, there was alot going on. Now the merger is settled. So beyond Rutgers simply returning to the status quo they now have a MUCH bigger bank account and the law school doesn't need to ship money back to New Brunswick. The end result will be more money for clinics, scholarships, profs, etc.

4)Profs - RC has a really good faculty - they are paid well and now that the merger talk is done have bigger bank accounts, all is well.

5)Other Concerns - Camden is wicked dangerous...did I mention that?; Also Pat Burrell will probably hit on you if your a girl at some point, when your in Philly it will happen.

My point is that instead of throwing away or talking down on a pretty good school, you probably should take that more seriously. In Philadelphia there are a number of law schools - and as Penn kids run for greener pastures in DC or NY, Rutgers students/alumn mainly compete with Temple. Which until a couple of years ago was an equal or less established school, things have changed but its still a battle Rutgers Students often win.
There are alot of spots in the city, and Rutgers Camden alumni rolls pretty deep. In state tuition/scholarship and access to big firms in the city with alumn.... You could do much worse.


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 Post subject: Re: Rutgers just admitted me without my applying
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BDawk20 wrote:
So it looks like everyone is up in arms about this place...thanks ATL. Let me explain Rutgers Camden to you briefly, and pain free.

In the interest of full disclosure I have gone to RC and feel like its gotten a bad name lately.

1) Neighborhood - Don't go anywhere your not supposed to. Camden is dangerous and trades places with any number of other cities for highest per capita murder rate (take that East St.Louis). Take the train and its a 3 minute ride to Philly. There is really no campus life to speak of, but campus itself is clean, and nice enough.

2)School - New building, across the street from the federal courthouse, its pretty.

3)Rankings - If you love to obsess with rankings (and who doesn't) then yes, RC has not had a great last 5 years. However there is a reason to be chipper. The small class size this year (mixed with the fact that RC didn't just admit everyone with subpar credentials) means that the ranking should go up. Student to faculty ratio will be better, as will as money spent per student. The school now also offers more scholarships from the sound of it. To those concerned about the rankings I'd offer this piece of advice - the school took a big hit this year, there was alot going on. Now the merger is settled. So beyond Rutgers simply returning to the status quo they now have a MUCH bigger bank account and the law school doesn't need to ship money back to New Brunswick. The end result will be more money for clinics, scholarships, profs, etc.

4)Profs - RC has a really good faculty - they are paid well and now that the merger talk is done have bigger bank accounts, all is well.

5)Other Concerns - Camden is wicked dangerous...did I mention that?; Also Pat Burrell will probably hit on you if your a girl at some point, when your in Philly it will happen.

My point is that instead of throwing away or talking down on a pretty good school, you probably should take that more seriously. In Philadelphia there are a number of law schools - and as Penn kids run for greener pastures in DC or NY, Rutgers students/alumn mainly compete with Temple. Which until a couple of years ago was an equal or less established school, things have changed but its still a battle Rutgers Students often win.
There are alot of spots in the city, and Rutgers Camden alumni rolls pretty deep. In state tuition/scholarship and access to big firms in the city with alumn.... You could do much worse.

So it's dangerous, poorly ranked, has shit job stats (which you didn't mention and is by far the most important thing), and overpaid faculty.

You're a truly stellar salesman.


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 Post subject: Re: Rutgers just admitted me without my applying
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Bildungsroman wrote:
BDawk20 wrote:
So it looks like everyone is up in arms about this place...thanks ATL. Let me explain Rutgers Camden to you briefly, and pain free.

In the interest of full disclosure I have gone to RC and feel like its gotten a bad name lately.

1) Neighborhood - Don't go anywhere your not supposed to. Camden is dangerous and trades places with any number of other cities for highest per capita murder rate (take that East St.Louis). Take the train and its a 3 minute ride to Philly. There is really no campus life to speak of, but campus itself is clean, and nice enough.

2)School - New building, across the street from the federal courthouse, its pretty.

3)Rankings - If you love to obsess with rankings (and who doesn't) then yes, RC has not had a great last 5 years. However there is a reason to be chipper. The small class size this year (mixed with the fact that RC didn't just admit everyone with subpar credentials) means that the ranking should go up. Student to faculty ratio will be better, as will as money spent per student. The school now also offers more scholarships from the sound of it. To those concerned about the rankings I'd offer this piece of advice - the school took a big hit this year, there was alot going on. Now the merger is settled. So beyond Rutgers simply returning to the status quo they now have a MUCH bigger bank account and the law school doesn't need to ship money back to New Brunswick. The end result will be more money for clinics, scholarships, profs, etc.

4)Profs - RC has a really good faculty - they are paid well and now that the merger talk is done have bigger bank accounts, all is well.

5)Other Concerns - Camden is wicked dangerous...did I mention that?; Also Pat Burrell will probably hit on you if your a girl at some point, when your in Philly it will happen.

My point is that instead of throwing away or talking down on a pretty good school, you probably should take that more seriously. In Philadelphia there are a number of law schools - and as Penn kids run for greener pastures in DC or NY, Rutgers students/alumn mainly compete with Temple. Which until a couple of years ago was an equal or less established school, things have changed but its still a battle Rutgers Students often win.
There are alot of spots in the city, and Rutgers Camden alumni rolls pretty deep. In state tuition/scholarship and access to big firms in the city with alumn.... You could do much worse.

So it's dangerous, poorly ranked, has shit job stats (which you didn't mention and is by far the most important thing), and overpaid faculty.

You're a truly stellar salesman.


The school is offering scholarships to people who didn't apply and offering them with stipulations that make it likely the student will lose the scholarship.

Any credibility this school had (which wasn't much) and has lost is not just down to the merger. This desperate move of targeting people just to try to fill the class shows what a dishonest school it is.

Why are you shilling for this school? I don't think it is going to improve anytime soon.

Also, the tuition at this school is ridiculous for the poor employment outcomes.

I would be happy to see it close. It isn't needed.


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 Post subject: Re: Rutgers just admitted me without my applying
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I just got the full ride and am considering it. I already put a seat deposit down somewhere else, but money is a big issue for me. (I can't get gradplus because of a surgery I had to have.)

Where would be a semi-safe area to live nearby or on rail? Anybody know the area?


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sunynp wrote:
Bildungsroman wrote:
BDawk20 wrote:
So it looks like everyone is up in arms about this place...thanks ATL. Let me explain Rutgers Camden to you briefly, and pain free.

In the interest of full disclosure I have gone to RC and feel like its gotten a bad name lately.

1) Neighborhood - Don't go anywhere your not supposed to. Camden is dangerous and trades places with any number of other cities for highest per capita murder rate (take that East St.Louis). Take the train and its a 3 minute ride to Philly. There is really no campus life to speak of, but campus itself is clean, and nice enough.

2)School - New building, across the street from the federal courthouse, its pretty.

3)Rankings - If you love to obsess with rankings (and who doesn't) then yes, RC has not had a great last 5 years. However there is a reason to be chipper. The small class size this year (mixed with the fact that RC didn't just admit everyone with subpar credentials) means that the ranking should go up. Student to faculty ratio will be better, as will as money spent per student. The school now also offers more scholarships from the sound of it. To those concerned about the rankings I'd offer this piece of advice - the school took a big hit this year, there was alot going on. Now the merger is settled. So beyond Rutgers simply returning to the status quo they now have a MUCH bigger bank account and the law school doesn't need to ship money back to New Brunswick. The end result will be more money for clinics, scholarships, profs, etc.

4)Profs - RC has a really good faculty - they are paid well and now that the merger talk is done have bigger bank accounts, all is well.

5)Other Concerns - Camden is wicked dangerous...did I mention that?; Also Pat Burrell will probably hit on you if your a girl at some point, when your in Philly it will happen.

My point is that instead of throwing away or talking down on a pretty good school, you probably should take that more seriously. In Philadelphia there are a number of law schools - and as Penn kids run for greener pastures in DC or NY, Rutgers students/alumn mainly compete with Temple. Which until a couple of years ago was an equal or less established school, things have changed but its still a battle Rutgers Students often win.
There are alot of spots in the city, and Rutgers Camden alumni rolls pretty deep. In state tuition/scholarship and access to big firms in the city with alumn.... You could do much worse.

So it's dangerous, poorly ranked, has shit job stats (which you didn't mention and is by far the most important thing), and overpaid faculty.

You're a truly stellar salesman.


The school is offering scholarships to people who didn't apply and offering them with stipulations that make it likely the student will lose the scholarship.

Any credibility this school had (which wasn't much) and has lost is not just down to the merger. This desperate move of targeting people just to try to fill the class shows what a dishonest school it is.

Why are you shilling for this school? I don't think it is going to improve anytime soon.

Also, the tuition at this school is ridiculous for the poor employment outcomes.

I would be happy to see it close. It isn't needed.


Unless I'm missing something, staying in the top 40% and maintaining 3.0< doesn't seem like an impossible standard to adhere to.


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doppelganger wrote:
sunynp wrote:
Bildungsroman wrote:
BDawk20 wrote:
So it looks like everyone is up in arms about this place...thanks ATL. Let me explain Rutgers Camden to you briefly, and pain free.

In the interest of full disclosure I have gone to RC and feel like its gotten a bad name lately.

1) Neighborhood - Don't go anywhere your not supposed to. Camden is dangerous and trades places with any number of other cities for highest per capita murder rate (take that East St.Louis). Take the train and its a 3 minute ride to Philly. There is really no campus life to speak of, but campus itself is clean, and nice enough.

2)School - New building, across the street from the federal courthouse, its pretty.

3)Rankings - If you love to obsess with rankings (and who doesn't) then yes, RC has not had a great last 5 years. However there is a reason to be chipper. The small class size this year (mixed with the fact that RC didn't just admit everyone with subpar credentials) means that the ranking should go up. Student to faculty ratio will be better, as will as money spent per student. The school now also offers more scholarships from the sound of it. To those concerned about the rankings I'd offer this piece of advice - the school took a big hit this year, there was alot going on. Now the merger is settled. So beyond Rutgers simply returning to the status quo they now have a MUCH bigger bank account and the law school doesn't need to ship money back to New Brunswick. The end result will be more money for clinics, scholarships, profs, etc.

4)Profs - RC has a really good faculty - they are paid well and now that the merger talk is done have bigger bank accounts, all is well.

5)Other Concerns - Camden is wicked dangerous...did I mention that?; Also Pat Burrell will probably hit on you if your a girl at some point, when your in Philly it will happen.

My point is that instead of throwing away or talking down on a pretty good school, you probably should take that more seriously. In Philadelphia there are a number of law schools - and as Penn kids run for greener pastures in DC or NY, Rutgers students/alumn mainly compete with Temple. Which until a couple of years ago was an equal or less established school, things have changed but its still a battle Rutgers Students often win.
There are alot of spots in the city, and Rutgers Camden alumni rolls pretty deep. In state tuition/scholarship and access to big firms in the city with alumn.... You could do much worse.

So it's dangerous, poorly ranked, has shit job stats (which you didn't mention and is by far the most important thing), and overpaid faculty.

You're a truly stellar salesman.


The school is offering scholarships to people who didn't apply and offering them with stipulations that make it likely the student will lose the scholarship.

Any credibility this school had (which wasn't much) and has lost is not just down to the merger. This desperate move of targeting people just to try to fill the class shows what a dishonest school it is.

Why are you shilling for this school? I don't think it is going to improve anytime soon.

Also, the tuition at this school is ridiculous for the poor employment outcomes.

I would be happy to see it close. It isn't needed.


Unless I'm missing something, staying in the top 40% and maintaining 3.0< doesn't seem like an impossible standard to adhere to.


IF they section stack then more than 60% of people could lose their $$$. (I am not saying they do but it is possible.)

On a full ride I think it could be a good deal myself. Especially if you can't get the grad plus loans.


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Unless I'm missing something, staying in the top 40% and maintaining 3.0< doesn't seem like an impossible standard to adhere to.


Its still more likely you lose it. Most credible schools dont have stttips like that.


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Unless I'm missing something, staying in the top 40% and maintaining 3.0< doesn't seem like an impossible standard to adhere to.


Its still more likely you lose it. Most credible schools dont have stttips like that.

Schools that have stips on scholarships give them to more people than can keep them. They deliberately give scholarships knowing that some number of students will lose them. They know that most people will continue on after they have lost the scholarship.

If they intend for you to have the scholarship all three years, get them to drop the stipulation.


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BDawk20 wrote:
So it looks like everyone is up in arms about this place...thanks ATL. Let me explain Rutgers Camden to you briefly, and pain free. at some length, and poorly.

In the interest of full disclosure I have gone to RC and feel like its gotten a bad name lately. I demonstrate the level of acumen at advocacy writing you would expect from a Rutgers-Camden grad.

1) Neighborhood - Don't go anywhere your you're not supposed to go. Camden is dangerous! and It trades places with any number of other cities for highest per capita murder rate each year (take that East St.Louis). There's no campus life to speak of, but fortunately you can Ttake the train and its a 3 minute ride to Philly and be somewhere worth being in under three minutes. There is really no campus life to speak of, but The campus itself is clean, and nice enough.

2)School - The Nnew building, across the street from the federal courthouse, its pretty. Having said that, the expense of big, uselessly "pretty" new buildings is part of the fundamental problem of spiralling costs at law schools.

3)Rankings - If you love to obsess with rankings (and who doesn't) then yes, RC has not had a great last 5 years. However there is a reason to be chipper. The small class size this year (mixed with the fact that RC didn't just admit everyone with subpar credentials) means that the ranking should go up. Student to faculty ratio will be better, as will as money spent per student The school now also offers more scholarships from the sound of it. To those concerned about the rankings I'd offer this piece of advice - the school took a big hit this year, there was alot going on. Now the merger is settled. So beyond Rutgers simply returning to the status quo they now have a MUCH bigger bank account and the law school doesn't need to ship money back to New Brunswick. The end result will be more money for clinics, scholarships, profs, etc. worried. While, on the one hand, a smaller class size means a better $/student ratio, the precipitous drop in enrollment could hurt their LSAT/GPA numbers a bit, and more importantly could hurt their "peer" rankings quite a lot. We don't know what the exact effect on RU-C's ranking will be, but it's not likely to be good.

4)Profs - RC has an unremarkable and fundamentally competent, if not stellar really good faculty - they are overpaid well and now that the merger talk is done have bigger bank accounts, all is well not as catastrophically bad as it could have been.

5)Other Concerns - Camden is wicked dangerous...did I mention that?; Also, at some point, Pat Burrell will probably hit on you if your you're a girl at some point, when (most likely when you're your in Philly) it will happen.

My point is that instead of throwing away or talking down on a pretty good school, you probably should take that more seriously. In Philadelphia there are a number of law schools - and as Penn kids run for greener pastures in DC or NY, Rutgers students/alumn mainly compete with Temple. Which until a couple of years ago was an equal or less established school, things have changed but its still a battle Rutgers Students often win.
There are alot of spots in the city, and Rutgers Camden alumni rolls pretty deep. In state tuition/scholarship and access to big firms in the city with alumn.... You could do much worse by going to some unranked shitpile like Cooley.


FTFY


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You created an account just to say that? Badass, bro.


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