JohnDorian wrote: Br3v wrote: JohnDorian wrote: Jchan wrote:
Hi guys, ive been out of school for just one year, but had an extremely low gpa.. That being said, most schools require like 2 LORs. I have no problem getting one from my current employer, but am going nuts trying to find another person in the universe who would write one for me. As previously stated, i had terrible grades.. Also, none of the professors even knew i existed frankly apeaking and the classes i did do well on, i just never went to class..so i dont think they are able to write me one thatll blow an admissions officers mind.. Soooo can anybody think of another way to get any LoRs that are non academic? Im not sure where i want to go to law school yet, but WUStL is on my mind. I have a 2.6 gpa, what hurts me a lot is that i have equal number of F's as i do A's but am hoping that a high LSAT score (+170ish) will save me.
I was told that i can volunteer to get a LoR from my undergrad academic advisor? If this is true, do you think half a year of Doing so will be enough to convince law schools since im trying to apply in october or will they see right thru me?
also, any recommendations on what to even volunteer for? Or what not to?
Any advice is greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance!
You sound like a shitty student man. Your undergrad academic advisor isn't a professor--and law schools like to see LORs from professors to weed out people like you.
Go back to school, get a minor or something, (or if you still have a half a year left, bust your ass in classes and ACTUALLY GO), that way you can get a professor to write something nice about you.
It's that, or you can get a professor that doesn't remember you to write a generic recommendation that won't help but might
The advice your giving. Stop it.
OP do not waste the time and $ going to school again to get grades that won't matter just so you can get a LoR. If your a few yrs out of school, LS's expect you to have a hard time getting professor LoRs so go with a employer. Why would you want a LoR from someone who probably did bad in anyways? Also volunteering would not show your academic abilities to the professor, the one thing the LoR should mention.
People presumably have mediocre LoRs all the time from profs who barely remember them. The only way I think a LoR would actually hurt is if it was negative. As in, dot accept this student.
You can get a minor in 1 year, 10-12 As (depending on how many credit hours he's taking) would drastically increase such a low GPA, and it would give him professors that could write decent LORs.
Law schools are hesitant to take splitters with this drastic of a gpa/lsat difference and they look to softs often. You generally have to be a few years out for law schools to not expect LORs from professors, and even then they stress the importance of getting professors. If you don't have a professor LOR and you're not WAY out, they will assume it's because you're a shitty student or can't follow instructions asking for one (especially with this GPA).
tl;dr The splitters mentioned that got into decent schools had good softs including LORs. There's no other reason to trust that low of a GPA.
Also, stop correcting people with stupid points. OBVIOUSLY a high lsat will outweigh shitty LORs and OBVIOUSLY people get in with crappy LORs. But if he's got the high LSAT and wants to get into the best law schools he can get into with his GPA, he needs to have the LOR. He doesn't have the room in his app for any more weaknesses.
Do not listen to this guy or bvest. Have you even applied to school?
Grades Excluded From Conversion
Withdraw, Withdraw/Pass—only if the issuing school considers the grade nonpunitive.
Incomplete—only if the issuing school considers the grade nonpunitive.
Those given for remedial courses only if the transcript clearly indicates they are remedial.
Those awarded after the first undergraduate degree was received.
You're telling him to go waste potentially thousands of dollars on something that won't work. Stop giving advice on these things, you can seriously fuck a persons life up.
OP, first you're going to need an LSAT score. Since you're already committed to taking it, you might as well just studys and try to kill it. On LSN its clear that there are those with your stats getting in, and all of them don't have incredible softs or are URMS. Is your shot good? Probably not, but if you can really kill it you will still have a shot with a small amount of cash.
As for getting a LOR, unless there's really ONE local class you are actually interested in that's cheap and you can afford to go to it without sacrificing work, you should probably just send in two professional LORs. Although, learning flamenco or something could be fun if you just wanted a quick ref. In most cases obviously a dancing teachers ref wouldn't be as highly valued as say a math teachers, but let's be honest here: WUSTL isnt expecting your academic LORs to be stellar with your GPA (mine was low too, just being realistic). Even if they were, they'd probably assume the teacher just liked you a lot unless you've got a world class's novelist to persuade them.
Edit: You could includ a gpa addendum as well, but honestly even with a recommendation and an addendum your app is really going to stand on the merit of your LSAT. Unless of course, you can really find a Kafka to blow their minds. Then by all means take the shit out of that guys class for a ref, but I find there are few Kafka-esque profs just lying around