Future prestige poll

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In 10 years what name will have more cache?

Harvard
147
90%
Stanford
16
10%
 
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Re: Future prestige poll

Postby minnbills » Tue Apr 17, 2012 12:30 pm

Mike12188 wrote:I had to google both. This thread is stupid but I do enjoy when people argue about schools being "prestigious" that fall outside the widely known prestigious schools.

Edit: In terms of the William Patterson and UMass-Amherst prestige that is


Every region has its own prestigious schools that no one else gives a shit about. Carleton and Macalaster here in MN, for example.

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Re: Future prestige poll

Postby emptyflare » Tue Apr 17, 2012 12:32 pm

minnbills wrote:
Mike12188 wrote:I had to google both. This thread is stupid but I do enjoy when people argue about schools being "prestigious" that fall outside the widely known prestigious schools.

Edit: In terms of the William Patterson and UMass-Amherst prestige that is


Every region has its own prestigious schools that no one else gives a shit about. Carleton and Macalaster here in MN, for example.


Rice for Texas, or is it more nationally known?

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Re: Future prestige poll

Postby JoeMo » Tue Apr 17, 2012 12:33 pm

Mike12188 wrote:I had to google both. This thread is stupid but I do enjoy when people argue about schools being "prestigious" that fall outside the widely known prestigious schools.

Edit: In terms of the William Patterson and UMass-Amherst prestige that is


I lol'ed

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Re: Future prestige poll

Postby sparty99 » Tue Apr 17, 2012 12:39 pm

oregon000 wrote:Academic question: It seems that there is a west coast shift going on in our country ( Silicon Valley etc.) Right now I feel that Harvard still is the preeminent name in education, but I am curious if people think that this will change within a decade. Will Stanford become the new big name or is Harvard so entrenched that it will always be the place to be?


Who gives a shit. See TITCR

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Re: Future prestige poll

Postby dingbat » Tue Apr 17, 2012 12:42 pm

thelawguy wrote:As a prototypical New Englander I have argue that many people would put Williams or Amherst ahead of or at least equal to HYSP. For the size of theses schools they simply dominate Wall Street.

Are you on crack?
On wall street they're no better represented than any of dozens of colleges that are not Ivys

Blatant Amherst trolling....

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Re: Future prestige poll

Postby dingbat » Tue Apr 17, 2012 12:46 pm

oregon000 wrote:Academic question: It seems that there is a west coast shift going on in our country ( Silicon Valley etc.) Right now I feel that Harvard still is the preeminent name in education, but I am curious if people think that this will change within a decade. Will Stanford become the new big name or is Harvard so entrenched that it will always be the place to be?

Harvard is no more entrenched than Oxford.

Stanford has a long way to go before it can truly rival Harvard
(hell, outside of the world of legal academia, Princeton carries more prestige as a law school than Stanford does)

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Re: Future prestige poll

Postby Blessedassurance » Tue Apr 17, 2012 1:03 pm

thelawguy wrote:As a prototypical New Englander I have argue that many people would put Williams or Amherst ahead of or at least equal to HYSP. For the size of theses schools they simply dominate Wall Street.


Ha

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Re: Future prestige poll

Postby Blessedassurance » Tue Apr 17, 2012 1:06 pm

minnbills wrote:Every region has its own prestigious schools that no one else gives a shit about. Carleton and Macalaster here in MN, for example.


I always wondered how Kofi Annan ended up there.

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Re: Future prestige poll

Postby ScrabbleChamp » Tue Apr 17, 2012 1:55 pm

TLS_noobie wrote:
JoeMo wrote:
TLS_noobie wrote:
I'm guessing Ulrichs doesn't sell it anymore (it was around 6 or so years ago) but you used to be able to buy a T-Shirt that says Harvard: The Michigan of the East ...and the "legend" goes that it is in response to Harvard calling Michigan the Harvard of the West. (not sure if the tshirt still exists though)


Me wants.

Also, it apparently stems from JFK himself calling Harvard "The Michigan of the East" during some address on the union steps.


--ImageRemoved--

Maybe you can still find it somewhere on campus. Though, it saddens me that Michigan Book & Supply is no longer with us :(

I didn't know that was where it came from, it was one of those things that you ask the store clerk about and the story changes with the person you ask haha.


Last time I went through Ulrichs, they had about 5 different styles of the "Harvard is the Michigan of the East" shirts... They are still alive and well.

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Re: Future prestige poll

Postby TLS_noobie » Tue Apr 17, 2012 1:59 pm

ScrabbleChamp wrote:
TLS_noobie wrote:
JoeMo wrote:
TLS_noobie wrote:
I'm guessing Ulrichs doesn't sell it anymore (it was around 6 or so years ago) but you used to be able to buy a T-Shirt that says Harvard: The Michigan of the East ...and the "legend" goes that it is in response to Harvard calling Michigan the Harvard of the West. (not sure if the tshirt still exists though)


Me wants.

Also, it apparently stems from JFK himself calling Harvard "The Michigan of the East" during some address on the union steps.


--ImageRemoved--

Maybe you can still find it somewhere on campus. Though, it saddens me that Michigan Book & Supply is no longer with us :(

I didn't know that was where it came from, it was one of those things that you ask the store clerk about and the story changes with the person you ask haha.


Last time I went through Ulrichs, they had about 5 different styles of the "Harvard is the Michigan of the East" shirts... They are still alive and well.


:D :D :D :D

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Re: Future prestige poll

Postby Perdevise » Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:15 pm

Wikipedia says:

A 2003 Gallup poll, which asked about the best colleges in the U.S., found that Stanford is the second-most prestigious university (behind Harvard) in the eyes of the general American public and roughly equal in prestige to Harvard among college-educated people.[97]


Source:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/9109/harvard ... ublic.aspx

It is a nine year old poll. Stanford actually ties with Yale amongst all Americans. 2 points separate Stanford from Harvard amongst post-graduates. Grain of salt, etc.

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Re: Future prestige poll

Postby stillwater » Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:25 pm

Gallup poll= shameless Stanford trolling.

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Re: Future prestige poll

Postby Perdevise » Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:28 pm

stillwater wrote:Gallup poll= shameless Stanford trolling.


Poll seems to confirm that most people place Harvard above Stanford (even in the Western US).

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Re: Future prestige poll

Postby kaiser » Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:29 pm

I live on the East coast and many people out here don't think of Stanford as being anywhere close to the same level as the Ivy League schools (since we hear next to nothing about the school or its grads). I would say people don't think of it any different than something like Notre Dame (i.e. a solid school with a name that people recognize, but don't know all that much about aside from a few face-value things). Whereas Harvard is so synonymous with excellence that its almost colloquial.

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Re: Future prestige poll

Postby TLS_noobie » Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:36 pm

kaiser wrote:I live on the East coast and many people out here don't think of Stanford as being anywhere close to the same level as the Ivy League schools (since we hear next to nothing about the school or its grads). I would say people don't think of it any different than something like Notre Dame (i.e. a solid school with a name that people recognize, but don't know all that much about aside from a few face-value things). Whereas Harvard is so synonymous with excellence that its almost colloquial.


Credited. Same in the Midwest. But, we need to define colloquial/layperson if we are to talk about lay-prestige obviously. Different regions have different cultures, whereas among the blue-collar, industrial worker in the Midwest, Harvard is the be all end all of snobbery, but among engineers across the globe Stanford is obviously up there.

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Re: Future prestige poll

Postby AntipodeanPhil » Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:39 pm

Perdevise wrote:http://www.gallup.com/poll/9109/harvard-number-one-university-eyes-public.aspx

It is a nine year old poll. Stanford actually ties with Yale amongst all Americans. 2 points separate Stanford from Harvard amongst post-graduates. Grain of salt, etc.

What's most interesting about that poll, imo, is how well the large state schools do. I guess people in Ohio / alumni of OSU vote for OSU; people in Texas / alumni of UT vote for UT; et cetera. Of course, whether they do that because they actually believe it or because they just want to see their local school / alma mater ranked higher is another question.

I'm surprised that Dartmouth is not on the list, but not at all surprised to see Caltech and WUSTL missing.

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Re: Future prestige poll

Postby thederangedwang » Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:41 pm

emptyflare wrote:
minnbills wrote:
Mike12188 wrote:I had to google both. This thread is stupid but I do enjoy when people argue about schools being "prestigious" that fall outside the widely known prestigious schools.

Edit: In terms of the William Patterson and UMass-Amherst prestige that is


Every region has its own prestigious schools that no one else gives a shit about. Carleton and Macalaster here in MN, for example.


Rice for Texas, or is it more nationally known?

I'm at rice now. Also Im asian

From FL originally, when i told my friends i was going there they stared at me and said "is that some type of asian school"

...Rice is a great academic school, I would argue on par or surpassing the lower ivies, unfortunately we are too freaking small and young to get our name out. So basically I think you are kinda right in that we lack lay prestige as compared to our ranking, although I would note that Rice is far better than Carleton, Macalaster and that it doesnt quite fall into the "Every region has its own prestigious schools that no one else gives a shit about"

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Re: Future prestige poll

Postby stillwater » Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:50 pm

thederangedwang wrote:
emptyflare wrote:
minnbills wrote:
Mike12188 wrote:I had to google both. This thread is stupid but I do enjoy when people argue about schools being "prestigious" that fall outside the widely known prestigious schools.

Edit: In terms of the William Patterson and UMass-Amherst prestige that is


Every region has its own prestigious schools that no one else gives a shit about. Carleton and Macalaster here in MN, for example.


Rice for Texas, or is it more nationally known?

I'm at rice now. Also Im asian

From FL originally, when i told my friends i was going there they stared at me and said "is that some type of asian school"

...Rice is a great academic school, I would argue on par or surpassing the lower ivies, unfortunately we are too freaking small and young to get our name out. So basically I think you are kinda right in that we lack lay prestige as compared to our ranking, although I would note that Rice is far better than Carleton, Macalaster and that it doesnt quite fall into the "Every region has its own prestigious schools that no one else gives a shit about"


The straitjacket of perspective.

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Re: Future prestige poll

Postby kaiser » Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:57 pm

TLS_noobie wrote:
kaiser wrote:I live on the East coast and many people out here don't think of Stanford as being anywhere close to the same level as the Ivy League schools (since we hear next to nothing about the school or its grads). I would say people don't think of it any different than something like Notre Dame (i.e. a solid school with a name that people recognize, but don't know all that much about aside from a few face-value things). Whereas Harvard is so synonymous with excellence that its almost colloquial.


Credited. Same in the Midwest. But, we need to define colloquial/layperson if we are to talk about lay-prestige obviously. Different regions have different cultures, whereas among the blue-collar, industrial worker in the Midwest, Harvard is the be all end all of snobbery, but among engineers across the globe Stanford is obviously up there.


Even among the "academics" and "elites" that I know on the east coast, Harvard is still the gold standard. I mean, they of course know that Stanford is an excellent school, just as they are the select few out here who don't think U. Chicago is a state school in Illinois. But that doesn't mean they would ever equate it with the truly elite few schools out here on the east cast. We just don't have the day to day exposure to the school or its graduates to ever think of it like we think of Harvard, Princeton, Yale, etc.

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Re: Future prestige poll

Postby ThreeRivers » Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:58 pm

AntipodeanPhil wrote:
Perdevise wrote:http://www.gallup.com/poll/9109/harvard-number-one-university-eyes-public.aspx

It is a nine year old poll. Stanford actually ties with Yale amongst all Americans. 2 points separate Stanford from Harvard amongst post-graduates. Grain of salt, etc.

What's most interesting about that poll, imo, is how well the large state schools do. I guess people in Ohio / alumni of OSU vote for OSU; people in Texas / alumni of UT vote for UT; et cetera. Of course, whether they do that because they actually believe it or because they just want to see their local school / alma mater ranked higher is another question.

I'm surprised that Dartmouth is not on the list, but not at all surprised to see Caltech and WUSTL missing.

I came on here to say that it was because they actually believed that, but after looking at it I think its just people wanting to see their local school / alma mater highly ranked.

The reason for this change of opinion was originally I thought it had people rank their "top 10" or "top 5" schools, and yea.. people really do vastly over-rank their big state schools

But seeing that they only had to say their top 2, I'm guessing most people realistically know that Ohio State isn't 1 of the 2 best schools in the nation

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Re: Future prestige poll

Postby AntipodeanPhil » Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:02 pm

ThreeRivers wrote:I came on here to say that it was because they actually believed that, but after looking at it I think its just people wanting to see their local school / alma mater highly ranked.

The reason for this change of opinion was originally I thought it had people rank their "top 10" or "top 5" schools, and yea.. people really do vastly over-rank their big state schools

But seeing that they only had to say their top 2, I'm guessing most people realistically know that Ohio State isn't 1 of the 2 best schools in the nation

Yeah, I think the ranking is a little distorted by the fact that they only asked each person to name the best school. I think a lot of schools that are second or third ranked in their region (MIT, Columbia, et cetera) would do a lot better if the respondents were asked to list a top 10.

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Re: Future prestige poll

Postby ThreeRivers » Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:06 pm

Anyways, lay prestige (even among the educated) is completely pointless other than to give your mom something to brag about / to impress some girl in a bar.

If I went to duquesne (a local TTTT with SHIT employment), I'd be more impressive to these individuals... o well

Lay prestige is a weird thing that either develops through:

1. Sports (I originally knew as a young sports obsessed lad that Texas, Duke, USC, Vandy, ND were pretty good institutions just through talking about / watching sports).
Convos such as "yea, Vanderbilt has it tougher in the SEC cause they care about academics make me think "oooo, Vandy's a good school!"
It can have the opposite effect (I originally though Mia and pretty much every school in the SEC sucked).

2. Media / ingrained in our culture. Wheres the smart kid from, where do presidents come from, what does your gram say when she brags that you're so bright 1 day you can go to "_______."

3. Your personal ties / legacy. This is where state schools come in. Your aunt, uncle, and mother all went to ____ and are very proud of it... what a great school! The rich lawyer across the street went to, _____ what a great school. Where do most of the smarter kids in your grade go to? Etc

None of it matters much though

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Re: Future prestige poll

Postby ThreeRivers » Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:07 pm

AntipodeanPhil wrote:
ThreeRivers wrote:I came on here to say that it was because they actually believed that, but after looking at it I think its just people wanting to see their local school / alma mater highly ranked.

The reason for this change of opinion was originally I thought it had people rank their "top 10" or "top 5" schools, and yea.. people really do vastly over-rank their big state schools

But seeing that they only had to say their top 2, I'm guessing most people realistically know that Ohio State isn't 1 of the 2 best schools in the nation

Yeah, I think the ranking is a little distorted by the fact that they only asked each person to name the best school. I think a lot of schools that are second or third ranked in their region (MIT, Columbia, et cetera) would do a lot better if the respondents were asked to list a top 10.

agree

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Re: Future prestige poll

Postby JoeMo » Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:35 pm

ThreeRivers wrote:Anyways, lay prestige (even among the educated) is completely pointless other than to give your mom something to brag about / to impress some girl in a bar.

If I went to duquesne (a local TTTT with SHIT employment), I'd be more impressive to these individuals... o well

Lay prestige is a weird thing that either develops through:

1. Sports (I originally knew as a young sports obsessed lad that Texas, Duke, USC, Vandy, ND were pretty good institutions just through talking about / watching sports).
Convos such as "yea, Vanderbilt has it tougher in the SEC cause they care about academics make me think "oooo, Vandy's a good school!"
It can have the opposite effect (I originally though Mia and pretty much every school in the SEC sucked).

2. Media / ingrained in our culture. Wheres the smart kid from, where do presidents come from, what does your gram say when she brags that you're so bright 1 day you can go to "_______."

3. Your personal ties / legacy. This is where state schools come in. Your aunt, uncle, and mother all went to ____ and are very proud of it... what a great school! The rich lawyer across the street went to, _____ what a great school. Where do most of the smarter kids in your grade go to? Etc

None of it matters much though


Did you post this in some other thread previously? The part about lay prestige develops through Sports, Media, Ties. Because if you didn't, I swear I've read this before and I don't like deja vu.

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Re: Future prestige poll

Postby ThreeRivers » Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:40 pm

JoeMo wrote:
ThreeRivers wrote:Anyways, lay prestige (even among the educated) is completely pointless other than to give your mom something to brag about / to impress some girl in a bar.

If I went to duquesne (a local TTTT with SHIT employment), I'd be more impressive to these individuals... o well

Lay prestige is a weird thing that either develops through:

1. Sports (I originally knew as a young sports obsessed lad that Texas, Duke, USC, Vandy, ND were pretty good institutions just through talking about / watching sports).
Convos such as "yea, Vanderbilt has it tougher in the SEC cause they care about academics make me think "oooo, Vandy's a good school!"
It can have the opposite effect (I originally though Mia and pretty much every school in the SEC sucked).

2. Media / ingrained in our culture. Wheres the smart kid from, where do presidents come from, what does your gram say when she brags that you're so bright 1 day you can go to "_______."

3. Your personal ties / legacy. This is where state schools come in. Your aunt, uncle, and mother all went to ____ and are very proud of it... what a great school! The rich lawyer across the street went to, _____ what a great school. Where do most of the smarter kids in your grade go to? Etc

None of it matters much though


Did you post this in some other thread previously? The part about lay prestige develops through Sports, Media, Ties. Because if you didn't, I swear I've read this before and I don't like deja vu.

Lol, nope

(I actually just used search function on my self to make sure I haven't become an old man who just repeats certain phrases retake UVA)




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