JoeMo wrote: stillwater wrote:
thelawguy wrote:As a prototypical New Englander I have argue that many people would put Williams or Amherst ahead of or at least equal to HYSP. For the size of theses schools they simply dominate Wall Street.
As a fellow New Englander, I would say these schools are held in very high esteem but, come on, they come a half-tier below HYP.
Credited, also a New Englander. Also, real lay people don't hear prestige when they hear Amherst they hear UMass Amherst. Most don't even know what a Williams College is. Among the educated in New England they're prestigious but I don't think anyone is out there going "oh, that's just like going to Harvard".
I'm about to type far too many words about this.
This really has to do with two kinds of lay prestige. Working class Northeasterners might think Notre Dame is a great school, and working class Southerners will think that their state school is practically Harvard. Harvard still has the most lay prestige with these sorts of people because it's such a conspicuous brand. They'll no Harvard, but not even necessarily Columbia or Dartmouth. It's like how people who don't know what J Press is still know what Polo is.
Then there's lay prestige in terms of educated non-lawyers. They'll know more broadly what the good schools are--they know about Williams, all the ivies, Chicago, etc--but they don't know the specifics of the top fourteen and tend to judge law schools by their opinion of the school in general. These are the sorts of people who would be surprised that NYU is a better law school than Georgetown, say.
I think a lot of the circular conversations that people have about lay prestige have to do with the fact that lay prestige varies a lot depending on what subset of people you're talking about.