mrwarre85 wrote:I completely understand that "ties" are critical for big law firms. My OP is about the fact that TLS had made "ties" the biggest consideration for any 0L looking at going to a regional school, despite the fact that going to the regional school will provide said 0L with essentially the same chance of success in the forum state as homer simpson from down the road. Just look at the forum: In 100% of the State U v. State U match ups, "ties" are talked about more than anything else, in every single one of them. However, when I looked back three years, "ties" was literally never mentioned.
I've noticed some people think "ties" will help the local kid at the local school get the local job, but I think this is just lazy thinking. Granted, there might be some minuscule boost at a fraction of employers, but in reality that might be the deciding consideration in 1 out of 24233424 cases, where in the rest the job is given to the person who is better liked, smarter, harder working, more personable/might bring in business one day, etc. Yet, "ties" seem like the most important thing for 0Ls to consider when picking a law school per current TLS mindless groupthink.
I hope this helps to clarify my comment. FWIW, I can imagine it might be hard to understand this type of thing if you go to a private and or national school, where many of the students only attend for the school and not for the chance of employment nearby.
Please see my post above (the long one) with a quote from a hiring partner on the subject. It's not TLS groupthink. It is quite literally the thought process of people making these decisions.
Again, I'll admit that it is probably less of an issue for the state school people, but I know plenty of people at flagship state schools who would completely disagree with you and McDuff.
As to ties being "literally never mentioned" during your three years, did you like... uh... ever talk to a legal employer? Or ever have an interview? I don't think I ever had a single interview where "Why X city?" didn't come up. It was often the first question. I had a damn
good answer to that question, but when I look at the firms I did CBs with and interviewed with (and was ultimately rejected by), I notice that their classes are usually full of people with STL ties. My, "I love the city, I came to WUSTL to stay in STL, etc." answer just wasn't as good as the local kids' "I grew up in Ladue and went to John Burroughs High and played lacrosse with your son Johnny."Finally:
(bolded because I think it is important), no one is saying ties are necessary
Just that they are a boost, and can be a big boost.
I would never argue they are necessary or sufficient. Again, I had an offer in a city I never stepped foot in. I am working this summer at a firm in a city I have no tangible ties to (although for some cities, including the one I am going to, it generally seems that being a "regional native" is enough). But I am not naive enough to extrapolate from my experience and say that ties are therefore meaningless. On the whole, they can make a pretty big difference, and it seems like almost every law student on TLS would agree.