Negotiating with Temple?

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Negotiating with Temple?

Postby HelloJarJar » Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:27 pm

Hi all,

I've gotten into Temple, Penn State, and both Rutgers schools, all with some money. (10k/yr, 15k/yr, 12k/yr, and 10k/yr respectively)

I realize that PSU and both Rutgers's are lower ranked than Temple, but would Temple be amenable to some negotiation using those three schools' scholarships as leverage? Temple and Penn State are similarly priced with the scholarships, and the two Rutgers's are very cheap since I'm in-state.

I've also gotten into Hofstra with a full-ride, and I'm unsure if I have money from Villanova yet but have been accepted. But I doubt either of those schools awards could sway Temple.

Thanks!

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Re: Negotiating with Temple?

Postby bdole2 » Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:33 pm

If you get money at Villanova I would wager that you could use it to negotiate with Temple. Not sure how stingy they are though.

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Re: Negotiating with Temple?

Postby HelloJarJar » Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:34 pm

Even with the disparity in ranking? The only reason I'm hesitant is because I thought schools are willing to bargain across "peer" institutions, and I don't know whether Temple considers Villanova a peer. But I could be very very mistaken.

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Re: Negotiating with Temple?

Postby bdole2 » Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:37 pm

HelloJarJar wrote:Even with the disparity in ranking? The only reason I'm hesitant is because I thought schools are willing to bargain across "peer" institutions, and I don't know whether Temple considers Villanova a peer. But I could be very very mistaken.


I think they would consider them peers. Villanova has fallen like 50 spots or something in the last 2 years, but that doesn't mean that Nova and Temple aren't peer schools. For years they have been considered equals in Philly in terms of employment prospects. The only real way to know if Temple will negotiate with a Nova offer is to try.

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Re: Negotiating with Temple?

Postby HelloJarJar » Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:41 pm

bdole2 wrote:
HelloJarJar wrote:Even with the disparity in ranking? The only reason I'm hesitant is because I thought schools are willing to bargain across "peer" institutions, and I don't know whether Temple considers Villanova a peer. But I could be very very mistaken.


I think they would consider them peers. Villanova has fallen like 50 spots or something in the last 2 years, but that doesn't mean that Nova and Temple aren't peer schools. For years they have been considered equals in Philly in terms of employment prospects. The only real way to know if Temple will negotiate with a Nova offer is to try.


True...I'll call up Villanova tomorrow, I only got in this afternoon and there was nothing in the email and the acceptance packet might take a while to get here.

But you think only Villanova would be a significant bargaining chip?

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Re: Negotiating with Temple?

Postby philly_law » Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:42 pm

Temple played ball when I was applying, they raised my scholarship from 5k/year to 7.5k/year. Just lay all your offers out to them, tell them you would like to attend, but are worried about costs. Mention that PSU is in a lower cost of iving area too, that's one of the things I said to them about some of the other schools I was considering. It can't hurt to ask, and if and when you end up going there they, like all law schools, will try to screw you every which way. Might as well fight while you have some leverage.

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Re: Negotiating with Temple?

Postby bdole2 » Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:44 pm

HelloJarJar wrote:
bdole2 wrote:
HelloJarJar wrote:Even with the disparity in ranking? The only reason I'm hesitant is because I thought schools are willing to bargain across "peer" institutions, and I don't know whether Temple considers Villanova a peer. But I could be very very mistaken.


I think they would consider them peers. Villanova has fallen like 50 spots or something in the last 2 years, but that doesn't mean that Nova and Temple aren't peer schools. For years they have been considered equals in Philly in terms of employment prospects. The only real way to know if Temple will negotiate with a Nova offer is to try.


True...I'll call up Villanova tomorrow, I only got in this afternoon and there was nothing in the email and the acceptance packet might take a while to get here.

But you think only Villanova would be a significant bargaining chip?


Might as well mention Hofstra as well. But aside from that your other offers probably won't do much for your negotiation.

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Re: Negotiating with Temple?

Postby HelloJarJar » Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:49 pm

bdole2 wrote:
HelloJarJar wrote:
bdole2 wrote:
HelloJarJar wrote:Even with the disparity in ranking? The only reason I'm hesitant is because I thought schools are willing to bargain across "peer" institutions, and I don't know whether Temple considers Villanova a peer. But I could be very very mistaken.


I think they would consider them peers. Villanova has fallen like 50 spots or something in the last 2 years, but that doesn't mean that Nova and Temple aren't peer schools. For years they have been considered equals in Philly in terms of employment prospects. The only real way to know if Temple will negotiate with a Nova offer is to try.


True...I'll call up Villanova tomorrow, I only got in this afternoon and there was nothing in the email and the acceptance packet might take a while to get here.

But you think only Villanova would be a significant bargaining chip?


Might as well mention Hofstra as well. But aside from that your other offers probably won't do much for your negotiation.


Cool, thanks for the info!

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Re: Negotiating with Temple?

Postby HelloJarJar » Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:51 pm

philly_law wrote:Temple played ball when I was applying, they raised my scholarship from 5k/year to 7.5k/year. Just lay all your offers out to them, tell them you would like to attend, but are worried about costs. Mention that PSU is in a lower cost of iving area too, that's one of the things I said to them about some of the other schools I was considering. It can't hurt to ask, and if and when you end up going there they, like all law schools, will try to screw you every which way. Might as well fight while you have some leverage.


This is true...on a tangential note, I've visited Penn State and frankly I really liked the atmosphere etc. But I'm trying to think with my head here, Temple is probably a better value for what is has to offer comparatively right?

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Re: Negotiating with Temple?

Postby philly_law » Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:59 pm

I should have said that I did end up at Temple, and as far as the comparative value, it's hard to say. I'm definitely glad I didn't shell out huge money for a school like GW, but all your options sound like they will be pretty reasonable as far as cost. It depends on what you want and where you want to practice. Temple will do better in Philly, but they are obsessed with pushing public interest, and outside of that you are pretty much on your own. Biglaw is a long shot from any of these schools. If you do want Philly, I'd say keep playing Temple, Nova, and Rutgers-C off each other and pick whichever comes in with the lowest total debt. If you want to be in the Harrisburg/central PA area, the choice is PSU (but they don't know where you want to live, so still ask them for more money anyways).

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Re: Negotiating with Temple?

Postby HelloJarJar » Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:07 am

philly_law wrote:I should have said that I did end up at Temple, and as far as the comparative value, it's hard to say. I'm definitely glad I didn't shell out huge money for a school like GW, but all your options sound like they will be pretty reasonable as far as cost. It depends on what you want and where you want to practice. Temple will do better in Philly, but they are obsessed with pushing public interest, and outside of that you are pretty much on your own. Biglaw is a long shot from any of these schools. If you do want Philly, I'd say keep playing Temple, Nova, and Rutgers-C off each other and pick whichever comes in with the lowest total debt. If you want to be in the Harrisburg/central PA area, the choice is PSU (but they don't know where you want to live, so still ask them for more money anyways).


That does sound like a plan...Is thinking RU-Newark has any reach in NYC a complete delusion? (That's why I haven't completely dinged it off my list so far...)

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Re: Negotiating with Temple?

Postby philly_law » Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:10 am

Someone else is going to have to take that one, I honestly don't know. Lived in the Philly area my whole life haha.

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Re: Negotiating with Temple?

Postby HelloJarJar » Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:12 am

philly_law wrote:Someone else is going to have to take that one, I honestly don't know. Lived in the Philly area my whole life haha.


Haha I hear ya...I think Camden is making me a bit uneasy with the merger tbh.

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Re: Negotiating with Temple?

Postby bdole2 » Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:15 am

Do you want to work in Philly or NYC?

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Re: Negotiating with Temple?

Postby HelloJarJar » Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:20 am

bdole2 wrote:Do you want to work in Philly or NYC?


If I'm honest, I'd rather work in NYC. But Newark isn't NYC. And I'm still waiting on Brooklyn, St. John's, Seton Hall, in addition to that Hofstra acceptance. But the legal market in NYC is so saturated, and all the top schools are competing for spots there.

But I don't hate the idea of being in Philly. And with Temple, there is a MUCH greater chance of staying in Philly (if not guarantee). I don't think any of my NYC-area schools could say that about New York.




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