Rutgers-Camden to be absorbed by Rowan University?

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Re: Rutgers-Camden to be absorbed by Rowan University?

Postby kaiser » Sun May 06, 2012 8:54 pm

presidentk1 wrote:rutgers is a total mess

its too fragmented and they always choose the WORST cities in NJ , it doesn't get worse than Newark and Camden


Haha you know you pick some bad locations when New Brunswick is your nicest and safest location

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Postby Fletcher Reed » Sun May 06, 2012 11:03 pm

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Re: Rutgers-Camden to be absorbed by Rowan University?

Postby IHeartPhilly » Sun May 06, 2012 11:05 pm

keg411 wrote:Merger is dead, dead, dead anyway, thanks to the Trustees :D.


Say whaaaa? This true?

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Re: Rutgers-Camden to be absorbed by Rowan University?

Postby HeavenWood » Sun May 06, 2012 11:06 pm

Fletcher Reed wrote:
crossarmant wrote:I hate to thread necro, but this just proves my point that even if the merger fails, the harm is already done to Rutgers-Camden.

http://blog.nj.com/njv_bob_braun/2012/0 ... iet_c.html

"Faculty members and students are leaving, applications are crashing through the floor. The trustees had before them documents showing that, for example, its law school has been able to persuade only 25 new admits to sign up and come so far this year. Who wants to go to the "New Rowan University Law School" when they thought they were going to Rutgers?"


Your right in saying that even the small possiblity of the merger has been detrimental to Rutgers-Camden. The article you posted does a great job in explaining the "bleeding" and severe "hemorrhaging" the school is suffering.

You must legit have Aspergers.

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Postby Fletcher Reed » Sun May 06, 2012 11:08 pm

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Postby Fletcher Reed » Sun May 06, 2012 11:08 pm

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Re: Rutgers-Camden to be absorbed by Rowan University?

Postby keg411 » Sun May 06, 2012 11:12 pm

IHeartPhilly wrote:
keg411 wrote:Merger is dead, dead, dead anyway, thanks to the Trustees :D.


Say whaaaa? This true?


Trustees voted against it :D :D :D.

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Postby Fletcher Reed » Sun May 06, 2012 11:13 pm

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Re: Rutgers-Camden to be absorbed by Rowan University?

Postby keg411 » Sun May 06, 2012 11:14 pm

Fletcher Reed wrote:
keg411 wrote:
IHeartPhilly wrote:
keg411 wrote:Merger is dead, dead, dead anyway, thanks to the Trustees :D.


Say whaaaa? This true?


Trustees voted against it :D :D :D.


That does not necessarily mean it's "dead". They do not have the power to "kill" it.


Yes they do.
Linky link :D :D :D
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/0 ... mingl.html

New Jersey hates it. The trustees hate it. Merger is dead, dead, dead, dead. :D

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Re: Rutgers-Camden to be absorbed by Rowan University?

Postby bk1 » Sun May 06, 2012 11:14 pm

Fletcher Reed wrote:
HeavenWood wrote:You must legit have Aspergers.


You realize it's against policy and you could be expelled for "making fun" of a serious disorder, right?

Check out Rutgers policy:

Section: 60.1.12
Section Title: Universitywide HR Policies & Procedures
Policy Name: Policy Prohibiting Discrimination and Harassment

1. Policy Statement
This Policy outlines the prohibition of discrimination and harassment based upon enumerated protected categories; the scope to which it applies; harassment related definitions; discrimination related definitions; the reporting process; and retaliation violations.

As a future attorney, you should be more careful and always CYA.


what is this i dont even

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Re: Rutgers-Camden to be absorbed by Rowan University?

Postby IHeartPhilly » Sun May 06, 2012 11:17 pm

Fletcher Reed wrote:
keg411 wrote:
IHeartPhilly wrote:
keg411 wrote:Merger is dead, dead, dead anyway, thanks to the Trustees :D.


Say whaaaa? This true?


Trustees voted against it :D :D :D.


That does not necessarily mean it's "dead". They do not have the power to "kill" it.


Good news. Hoping their scholly renegotiation is fat and juicy. Fletch might be Gov. Christie.

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Re: Rutgers-Camden to be absorbed by Rowan University?

Postby HeavenWood » Mon May 07, 2012 12:40 am

Fletcher Reed wrote:
HeavenWood wrote:
Fletcher Reed wrote:
crossarmant wrote:I hate to thread necro, but this just proves my point that even if the merger fails, the harm is already done to Rutgers-Camden.

http://blog.nj.com/njv_bob_braun/2012/0 ... iet_c.html

"Faculty members and students are leaving, applications are crashing through the floor. The trustees had before them documents showing that, for example, its law school has been able to persuade only 25 new admits to sign up and come so far this year. Who wants to go to the "New Rowan University Law School" when they thought they were going to Rutgers?"


Your right in saying that even the small possiblity of the merger has been detrimental to Rutgers-Camden. The article you posted does a great job in explaining the "bleeding" and severe "hemorrhaging" the school is suffering.

You must legit have Aspergers.


You realize it's against policy and you could be expelled for "making fun" of a serious disorder, right?

Check out Rutgers policy:

Section: 60.1.12
Section Title: Universitywide HR Policies & Procedures
Policy Name: Policy Prohibiting Discrimination and Harassment

1. Policy Statement
This Policy outlines the prohibition of discrimination and harassment based upon enumerated protected categories; the scope to which it applies; harassment related definitions; discrimination related definitions; the reporting process; and retaliation violations.

As a future attorney, you should be more careful and always CYA.

Hi, Fletch. I don't go to Rutgers, remember? You wrote a whole harangue about how you were superior to me because of the TT I attended. Then I pointed out I went to Penn and you retracted it all, along with a million other little derpy posts you "contributed" to this thread. I would make a snarky comment about how you academically peaked in undergrad, given that you've traded down as far as lawl skools go, but then the RUC kids might wrongly conclude I look down on them, when really I just happen to find you abrasively annoying.

And I wasn't making fun of you. I legitimately think you have Aspergers.

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Postby Fletcher Reed » Mon May 07, 2012 12:59 am

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Re: Rutgers-Camden to be absorbed by Rowan University?

Postby keg411 » Mon May 07, 2012 1:11 am

Um, do you even live in New Jersey? The merger is extremely unpopular. The Board not only voted against it, but *overwhelmingly* so. Christie has national political hopes and he's going to lose them (and his re-election bid) if he keeps trying to cramdown this merger because of some croneyism deal with George Norcross to keep the South Jersey Dems happy.

The whole merger is about quid pro quo politics and the type of croneyism and corruption that has haunted NJ politics for decades. It has nothing to do with what's best for the NJ educational system, and the Board of Governors made it quite clear that at least for now, the merger is DEAD. If they want to do something, now they're going to have to go over the heads of the Board and people in South and North Jersey will NOT be happy.

For now, the merger is DEAD and I believe it will stay this way because the Board has spoken and the people of NJ have spoken through opinion polls (75% AGAINST). If Christie wants another term and wants a shot at being President in 2016, he'll change the proposal to the acquisition of UMDNJ and leave Rutgers-Camden the fuck alone. It's the merger shit that hurt the school this year, and I believe once it is clear that the merger will NOT happen the school and the faculty will be *fine*.

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Re: Rutgers-Camden to be absorbed by Rowan University?

Postby presidentk1 » Mon May 07, 2012 1:37 am

99% of the ppl in NJ couldnt care less whether the LS is absorbed by rowan or otherwise re-organized.

this isnt an issue that has appeal among the electorate,
especially in contrast to other, real political topics, such as the economy, unemployment, etc.

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Re: Rutgers-Camden to be absorbed by Rowan University?

Postby mrtoren » Mon May 07, 2012 1:52 am

Fletcher Reed wrote:Wood-
I thought you were a student going by the way you defend the school and get angry at those who state facts. Also--it was only several weeks ago that I would have been lucky to even be admitted part-time. It was only my new score that gave me a couple other options. I'm obviously not superior to anyone. Anyway--back to the purpose of the thread:

keg411 believes that the merger is "dead dead dead" and provided a "linky link". The fact is, the Board can not indefinitely squash the merger plans, and it would be ignorant to think otherwise. The fate of the school is still uncertain.
crossarmant provided an excellent post with a great link about how the faculty are leaving, applications are crashing through the floor, and the school was only able to retain 25 new admits this year. There are still people with multiple deposits down who are still trying to decide. When I see a post that states something like "the mergey go bye bye everything okay now yayyy", I find it to be misleading.

Oh haiiii Fletcher. I've missed your tidbits of googlefu wisdom.

Oh wait, someone else beat you to this article. Have you been slacking lately? You had a nice routine of checking for updates on an hour-by-hour basis there for a while. In any event, I'm just thrilled you're back. Just thrilled. We missed you. TLS missed you.

I mean seriously, your commentary is what informs us underlings of the error in our logic.

Without you, we would make horrible, horrible decisions. I'm just thrilled you're back.

Just thrilled.

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Re: Rutgers-Camden to be absorbed by Rowan University?

Postby HeavenWood » Mon May 07, 2012 1:54 am

Fletcher Reed wrote:Wood-
I thought you were a student going by the way you defend the school and get angry at those who state facts. Also--it was only several weeks ago that I would have been lucky to even be admitted part-time. It was only my new score that gave me a couple other options. I'm obviously not superior to anyone. Anyway--back to the purpose of the thread:

Is that what you call them?

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Re: Rutgers-Camden to be absorbed by Rowan University?

Postby tyro » Mon May 07, 2012 2:06 am

romothesavior wrote:
Nelson wrote:Are you guys serious? Nobody outside of NJ cares about the "Rutgers brand" and everybody in NJ is going to know about this change. It has exactly 0 effect outside of 0Ls moving in from across the country for that "great Rutgers name" on their JD.

Yeah this. I don't think anyone outside the region knows or gives a shit about Rutgers. I can't even begin to keep their 19 different campuses (campii?) straight.

I've randomly known of Rutgers since I was like 14 and I'm from a completely different region. I'm pretty sure it was from watching college sports and asking about them. I think they have a little bit of the "brand" thing going and it's mainly because the undergrad is like 300 years old.

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Postby Fletcher Reed » Mon May 07, 2012 2:08 am

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Re: Rutgers-Camden to be absorbed by Rowan University?

Postby mrtoren » Mon May 07, 2012 2:08 am

HeavenWood wrote:
Fletcher Reed wrote:Wood-
I thought you were a student going by the way you defend the school and get angry at those who state facts. Also--it was only several weeks ago that I would have been lucky to even be admitted part-time. It was only my new score that gave me a couple other options. I'm obviously not superior to anyone. Anyway--back to the purpose of the thread:

Is that what you call them?

Fletcher is a special individual. He has constructed a reality where he genuinely believes that the words that come out of his mouth are divine; they're facts not opinions. His arrogance is overwhelming. His narcissism is unbearable. In a way, I feel sorry for him. I don't think he'll find satisfaction in anything that has anything to do with other people, including work and relationships.

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Re: Rutgers-Camden to be absorbed by Rowan University?

Postby tyro » Mon May 07, 2012 2:19 am

Fletcher Reed wrote:Good point. What do you think will happen if Rutgers becomes Rowan?

Well like someone else said, it would likely be called Rutgers-Rowan. No one in their right mind would buy the name and then not use it to their advantage.

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Postby Fletcher Reed » Mon May 07, 2012 2:38 am

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Re: Rutgers-Camden to be absorbed by Rowan University?

Postby keg411 » Mon May 07, 2012 9:32 am

Fletcher Reed wrote:
mrtoren wrote:Fletcher is a special individual. He has constructed a reality where he genuinely believes that the words that come out of his mouth are divine; they're facts not opinions. His arrogance is overwhelming. His narcissism is unbearable. In a way, I feel sorry for him. I don't think he'll find satisfaction in anything that has anything to do with other people, including work and relationships.


Two members of the Rutgers Board of Trustees verbally expressed that the school is "bleeding", "faculty members and students are leaving", "applications are crashing through the floor". Additionally, the Board had documents in front of them that showed the law school was able to persuade only 25 applicants (out of thousands) to attend this Fall. The link is in one of the posts above.

If you were at the meeting, would you have personally attacked the Board members too for speaking the horrific truth?


And yet, the Board STILL voted to reject the merger. Seriously who the fuck are you? Chris Christie's kid?
And yes, NJ actually *does* care. The merger talks are *extremely* unpopular and anyone who actually lives here and who has talked to anyone about it would know.

Also, you didn't rebut what i said at all about the fact that it's all about quid pro quo and croneyism and corruption rather than what is BEST for NJ. Anyone who doesn't think the Rutgers name means something or is important to the school and the students is living under a rock (and not The Rock -- and no I'm not talking about the wrestler :lol:). And this isn't just about the law school, it's about the undergrad too. The Board said "NO". Lautenberg was down there the other day, and he has a shitton of political clout in this state too and is VERY against the merger.

Anyway, I will let Fletcher continue to poke holes in his Rutgers-Camden voodoo dolls and keep praying that somehow someone will overrule the Trustees. But he shouldn't hold his breath.

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Re: Rutgers-Camden to be absorbed by Rowan University?

Postby mrtoren » Mon May 07, 2012 2:05 pm

Fletcher Reed wrote:If you were at the meeting, would you have personally attacked the Board members too for speaking the horrific truth?

Fletcher, I'm not 'attacking' you. I'm simply 'explaining' your personality so that others understand you.

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Re: Rutgers-Camden to be absorbed by Rowan University?

Postby crossarmant » Mon May 07, 2012 2:43 pm

I think the main, and most troubling, part is that regardless of how a merger plays out, the damage has been done to the law school for the next several foreseeable years. I mean, they're trying to fill a 250 person class and yet only 10% of that have even deposited, which they may change their mind before August. The numbers of the class have fallen a long way, students and faculty are fleeing, applications have taken a nose-dive, and employment statistics are getting worse and worse each year. RU-C already fell 15 spots this year even before the merger talk, so next year they are without a doubt going to be balls deep in the TTT range which is going to be very very difficult to claw out of. I just fear that despite all this rampant blind optimism, the worst may still happen regardless of whether it is called Rutgers or Rowan.




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