NPR Exposes the Law School Scam

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NPR Exposes the Law School Scam

Postby MTal » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:57 pm

http://www.npr.org/2012/01/16/145179563 ... nt-numbers

On a related note, it seems many here take issue with style, if not the substance of my posts. They accuse me of being too strident and "uncivil" in my posts. Here is my response:

I don't couch my posts in terms of respect or civility, because the law school deans and to be frank, the applicants who refuse to listen, deserve none. The law school scam is literally destroying lives, and that is NO exaggeration. Thousands of students are graduating with mortgage sized debt and no career prospects, again, NO exaggeration. When the stakes are so high, the situation needs to be outlined in as stark terms as possible, and as such, the need for respect and civility becomes secondary.

Again, the law school deans who are fleecing students are utterly undeserving of respect. They are building their upper class livelihood on the backs of the naive young, enticing them with false promises which in almost all cases never pan out. As for the students themselves, they deserve to hear the truth in as stark terms as possible, even if that means shattering their dreams of practicing international law from NYLS. I would expect, and indeed did expect such harsh language when describing the true state of the legal profession. Thanks to those who were willing to be honest with me, I chose not to continue and now have a wonderful job and career. I owe those who were willing to be completely honest with me a huge debt of gratitude.

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Re: NPR Exposes the Law School Scam

Postby Helmholtz » Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:03 pm

MTal wrote:http://www.npr.org/2012/01/16/145179563/do-law-schools-cook-their-employment-numbers

On a related note, it seems many here take issue with style, if not the substance of my posts. They accuse me of being too strident and "uncivil" in my posts. Here is my response:

I don't couch my posts in terms of respect or civility, because the law school deans and to be frank, the applicants who refuse to listen, deserve none. The law school scam is literally destroying lives, and that is NO exaggeration. Thousands of students are graduating with mortgage sized debt and no career prospects, again, NO exaggeration. When the stakes are so high, the situation needs to be outlined in as stark terms as possible, and as such, the need for respect and civility becomes secondary.

Again, the law school deans who are fleecing students are utterly undeserving of respect. They are building their upper class livelihood on the backs of the naive young, enticing them with false promises which in almost all cases never pan out. As for the students themselves, they deserve to hear the truth in as stark terms as possible, even if that means shattering their dreams of practicing international law from NYLS. I would expect, and indeed did expect such harsh language when describing the true state of the legal profession. Thanks to those who were willing to be honest with me, I chose not to continue and now have a wonderful job and career. I owe those who were willing to be completely honest with me a huge debt of gratitude.


"Chloe Gilgan enrolled at New York Law School in 2005, with one thing in mind: getting a good paying job."

Stopped reading there. Turns out that shitty bottom-dwelling law schools will do almost anything it takes to steal people's money. Who knew.

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Re: NPR Exposes the Law School Scam

Postby Curious1 » Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:04 pm

Interesting article.

FWIW I think what you're doing is very valuable. In my opinion there should only be 6 law schools in the country, and certainly only 6 worth going to.

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Re: NPR Exposes the Law School Scam

Postby 20130312 » Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:08 pm

What the hell is a three figure salary?

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Re: NPR Exposes the Law School Scam

Postby Helmholtz » Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:11 pm

InGoodFaith wrote:What the hell is a three figure salary?


$100-$999/yr. Actually not bad if you graduate from NYLS.

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Re: NPR Exposes the Law School Scam

Postby MTal » Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:12 pm

Helmholtz wrote:Turns out that shitty bottom-dwelling law schools will do almost anything it takes to steal people's money. Who knew.


Certainly not those posting in the NYLS class of 2015 thread, and when I TRIED letting them know, I was told to shut up and given a board warning.

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Re: NPR Exposes the Law School Scam

Postby STLMizzou » Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:14 pm

What school did Mtal fail out of? I am too lazy to search and find out

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Re: NPR Exposes the Law School Scam

Postby JG7773 » Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:15 pm

Sounds like she got off cheap . . . "Three years after graduation, Gilgan says, the only three-figure number she's staring at is her student debt. The only job she found was doing work that did not require a law degree. Gilgan is convinced New York Law twisted its job numbers."

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Re: NPR Exposes the Law School Scam

Postby Bildungsroman » Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:16 pm

Curious1 wrote:Interesting article.

FWIW I think what you're doing is very valuable. In my opinion there should only be 6 law schools in the country, and certainly only 6 worth going to.

lawl.

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Re: NPR Exposes the Law School Scam

Postby Helmholtz » Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:30 pm

MTal wrote:
Helmholtz wrote:Turns out that shitty bottom-dwelling law schools will do almost anything it takes to steal people's money. Who knew.


Certainly not those posting in the NYLS class of 2015 thread, and when I TRIED letting them know, I was told to shut up and given a board warning.


I have a feeling that if they're on TLS, they already know whatever you're going to tell them (and think they can beat the odds or whatever; I can't really defend them, but if they want to go to NYLS or San Diego Law or whatever and discuss it on here, more power to them).

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Re: NPR Exposes the Law School Scam

Postby jcm043 » Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:36 pm

Helmholtz wrote:
MTal wrote:
Helmholtz wrote:Turns out that shitty bottom-dwelling law schools will do almost anything it takes to steal people's money. Who knew.


Certainly not those posting in the NYLS class of 2015 thread, and when I TRIED letting them know, I was told to shut up and given a board warning.


I have a feeling that if they're on TLS, they already know whatever you're going to tell them (and think they can beat the odds or whatever; I can't really defend them, but if they want to go to NYLS or San Diego Law or whatever and discuss it on here, more power to them).


I had one of these moments. I'm going to a TTT or TTTT this fall. I know where I stand and I know what to expect when I get out. I think having a realistic understand of what your going into is what most people going to a TTT or TTTT don't have. I just plan to marry a girl with money.... 8)

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Re: NPR Exposes the Law School Scam

Postby NYC Law » Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:40 pm

MTal wrote:
Helmholtz wrote:Turns out that shitty bottom-dwelling law schools will do almost anything it takes to steal people's money. Who knew.


Certainly not those posting in the NYLS class of 2015 thread, and when I TRIED letting them know, I was told to shut up and given a board warning.


Good god you are whiny.

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Re: NPR Exposes the Law School Scam

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Re: NPR Exposes the Law School Scam

Postby Flips88 » Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:45 pm

Let those TTTT schools cook their employment numbers.

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Re: NPR Exposes the Law School Scam

Postby Gail » Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:45 pm

Curious1 wrote:Interesting article.

FWIW I think what you're doing is very valuable. In my opinion there should only be 6 law schools in the country, and certainly only 6 worth going to.


The legal market is saturated, but it isn't THAT saturated.

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Re: NPR Exposes the Law School Scam

Postby albusdumbledore » Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:48 pm

Quit sounding like a bitter, angry law school dropout who lost the game, and then maybe more people will listen.

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Re: NPR Exposes the Law School Scam

Postby kwais » Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:51 pm

Curious1 wrote:Interesting article.

FWIW I think what you're doing is very valuable. In my opinion there should only be 6 law schools in the country, and certainly only 6 worth going to.


This is dumb

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Re: NPR Exposes the Law School Scam

Postby NYC Law » Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:54 pm

STLMizzou wrote:What school did Mtal fail out of? I am too lazy to search and find out


A T2, presumably Cardozo.

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Re: NPR Exposes the Law School Scam

Postby MTal » Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:55 pm

NYC Law wrote:
MTal wrote:
Helmholtz wrote:Turns out that shitty bottom-dwelling law schools will do almost anything it takes to steal people's money. Who knew.


Certainly not those posting in the NYLS class of 2015 thread, and when I TRIED letting them know, I was told to shut up and given a board warning.


Good god you are whiny.


Whining entails complaining about something you can't change. In this case, Helmholtz asked a question and I answered it.

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Re: NPR Exposes the Law School Scam

Postby kwais » Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:57 pm

MTal wrote:
NYC Law wrote:
MTal wrote:
Helmholtz wrote:Turns out that shitty bottom-dwelling law schools will do almost anything it takes to steal people's money. Who knew.


Certainly not those posting in the NYLS class of 2015 thread, and when I TRIED letting them know, I was told to shut up and given a board warning.


Good god you are whiny.


Whining entails complaining about something you can't change. In this case, Helmholtz asked a question and I answered it.


Helmholtz's rhetorical question was rhetorical

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Re: NPR Exposes the Law School Scam

Postby albusdumbledore » Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:59 pm

MTal wrote:
NYC Law wrote:
MTal wrote:
Helmholtz wrote:Turns out that shitty bottom-dwelling law schools will do almost anything it takes to steal people's money. Who knew.


Certainly not those posting in the NYLS class of 2015 thread, and when I TRIED letting them know, I was told to shut up and given a board warning.


Good god you are whiny.


Whining entails complaining about something you can't change. In this case, Helmholtz asked a question and I answered it.

That is not what whining entails. Nor did he ask a question he meant to be answered.

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Re: NPR Exposes the Law School Scam

Postby YourCaptain » Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:02 am

Curious1 wrote:Interesting article.

FWIW I think what you're doing is very valuable. In my opinion there should only be 6 law schools in the country, and certainly only 6 worth going to.


is your entire statement sarcastic or just not well thought-out?

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Re: NPR Exposes the Law School Scam

Postby Opie » Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:04 am

NYC Law wrote:
STLMizzou wrote:What school did Mtal fail out of? I am too lazy to search and find out


A T2, presumably Cardozo.


I thought he went to Boalt.. Not sure where I heard that though.

I came online specifically to post this. Not that I think it hasn't been covered here, but I just think it's cool that LST was mentioned in the article. This should hopefully draw some attention to that fine website. It was cool that they posted it on a night when there is a debate and many people are paying attention to news. I saw it on Twitter and jumped on it.

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Re: NPR Exposes the Law School Scam

Postby johansantana21 » Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:08 am

Curious1 wrote:Interesting article.

FWIW I think what you're doing is very valuable. In my opinion there should only be 6 law schools in the country, and certainly only 6 worth going to.


Everyone is entitled to their opinion but an opinion like this is just dumb.

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Re: NPR Exposes the Law School Scam

Postby Flips88 » Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:09 am

johansantana21 wrote:
Curious1 wrote:Interesting article.

FWIW I think what you're doing is very valuable. In my opinion there should only be 6 law schools in the country, and certainly only 6 worth going to.


Everyone is entitled to their opinion but an opinion like this is just dumb.

Check her LSN. Though apparently somebody was too good to apply to Yale.




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