Pending Charges at UG

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Re: Pending Charges at UG

Postby moneybagsphd » Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:15 pm

89vision wrote:
Bert wrote:Its going to need to be a little more in depth than that.


All I have now is we have x accusation and we are investigating the claim. No hearing has been scheduled.

You haven't disclosed yet? Man, you should get on that. Also, your email is way too vague. You need to provide relevant details (i.e. accusation x). If you sent that email to an adcomm, they'd likely toss your application in the garbage.

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Re: Pending Charges at UG

Postby 89vision » Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:05 pm

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Re: Pending Charges at UG

Postby NomNom » Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:21 pm

I went through several of my applications. Only one stated pending charges need to be reported.

All the information I have is that the school is investigating x allegations. It's one sentence long. There has not been any hearings or sanctions. I have no idea about anything other than an investigation letter.

It seems like it would annoy people to hear about pending charges when their application doesn't ask for them.


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Do you have any reason to believe you won't receive your diploma? If so, I would disclose to all. If these are schools you want to go to and you end up NOT graduating, it's going to be awkward if you are accepted, but can't attend...especially if you decide to apply again at a later date. Why let them find out later? I could be over thinking, but just seems like the thing to do.

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Re: Pending Charges at UG

Postby hyakku » Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:28 pm

Dude weren't you going to write a c+f or PS about overcoming drug issues? I know you may be worried to disclose, but it's going to look a lot worse if they find out with your history.

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Re: Pending Charges at UG

Postby 89vision » Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:03 pm

Never, ever planned to write a ps about drugs. It's not something I would want to write an essay about. I have an addendum about one drug charge and one alcohol charge and two rehab stints. I don't know what is going to happen with this one, which is why I am asking if I should wait until I actually have something to write about. Otherwise it's I am under investigation for x haven't had a hearing what info do you need.

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Re: Pending Charges at UG

Postby 89vision » Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:08 pm

NomNom wrote:
I went through several of my applications. Only one stated pending charges need to be reported.

All the information I have is that the school is investigating x allegations. It's one sentence long. There has not been any hearings or sanctions. I have no idea about anything other than an investigation letter.

It seems like it would annoy people to hear about pending charges when their application doesn't ask for them.


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Do you have any reason to believe you won't receive your diploma? If so, I would disclose to all. If these are schools you want to go to and you end up NOT graduating, it's going to be awkward if you are accepted, but can't attend...especially if you decide to apply again at a later date. Why let them find out later? I could be over thinking, but just seems like the thing to do.

I have no idea whats going to happen. Or if they can hold my diploma.

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Re: Pending Charges at UG

Postby 20130312 » Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:11 pm

hyakku wrote:Dude weren't you going to write a c+f or PS about overcoming drug issues? I know you may be worried to disclose, but it's going to look a lot worse if they find out with your history.


Reference: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=173710&p=5052091

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Re: Pending Charges at UG

Postby hyakku » Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:56 pm

InGoodFaith wrote:
hyakku wrote:Dude weren't you going to write a c+f or PS about overcoming drug issues? I know you may be worried to disclose, but it's going to look a lot worse if they find out with your history.


Reference: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=173710&p=5052091


Ok so I know I wasn't tripping. I don't know why you would lie to us OP, we're just offering advice. Clearly you considered writing a PS about it, but all I'm trying to say is with that C+F record, you don't want to go around looking like you're trying to hide anything else about this.

Again though, you're being really cryptic about this, so it's kind of difficult to know how serious this is. A substance charge could range from someone reporting you for smelling like marijuana after a final to someone seeing you do lines off your TAs notebook. Although you should probably disclose either way, at least in the case of the former for instance, being vague would be slightly justified, but if you have a highly specific charge, being vague is probably going to be worse than even trying to get away with omitting it.

Anyway GL.

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Re: Pending Charges at UG

Postby 20130312 » Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:07 pm

hyakku wrote:
InGoodFaith wrote:
hyakku wrote:Dude weren't you going to write a c+f or PS about overcoming drug issues? I know you may be worried to disclose, but it's going to look a lot worse if they find out with your history.


Reference: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=173710&p=5052091


Ok so I know I wasn't tripping. I don't know why you would lie to us OP, we're just offering advice. Clearly you considered writing a PS about it


To be fair, he did say in that very thread that he was NOT using his story as a PS, but rather as an addendum.

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Re: Pending Charges at UG

Postby 89vision » Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:49 pm

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Re: Pending Charges at UG

Postby BeaverHunter » Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:23 pm

Evaluating the totality of the circumstances, you are going to have a challenging time with C&F. Accepting that, you don't need to give them any additional ammunition to question your character. With that in mind, disclose everything in as much detail as possible. If you are ever to past C&F, you'll need to distance yourself from these issues.

That said, I would disclose everything and write a personal statement about some positive aspect of your life and not "overcoming" something that clearly has not been overcome (and if you have pending charges you haven't overcome anything).

Do what you will the the good advice you receive...

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Re: Pending Charges at UG

Postby 89vision » Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:47 am

Again, do I notify them when I know there are charges and sanctions, or now? I was thinking of calling each school. The one I emailed (also my UG) didn't respond, and my adviser said to wait. I was worried bc she said not to disclose I was bipolar, and after asking she changed her mind. This may end up in rehab bc it was about heroin. IDK how to write about it. I can PM anyone the story, the entire story, and feedback would be appreciated.

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Re: Pending Charges at UG

Postby 89vision » Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:22 am

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Re: Pending Charges at UG

Postby NomNom » Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:53 pm

89vision wrote:
Thanks for noticing the difference.

So my plan is to call some schools when I get off of work. I think it would be better to have a conversation about it. My last offense was alcohol, but in rehab I admitted to using heroin and opana regularly, and in my addendum I stated I was continuing to address my bipolar and substance abuse, How do I write about this? Since everyone wants to know, I went to a meeting with a school official on h, and admitted to it because I thought I wasn't a student. I know it was dumb, but I had a problem and didn't think my inebriation was obvious. All the letter says is "admitted to being high on heroin while meeting with a school official;" I am really embarassed about it and am begging the school to drop it. The school said they want to help and support me vs. punish me.

Thanks for advice, I also emailed my adviser.


I am sure it took a lot for you to admit that and I admire that. Honest question: Are you ready for law school? It sounds like this recent occurrence was not that long ago. Have you taken care of yourself fully and healed your body/mind/soul to the best of your ability? I am not trying to get into your business, but the stress of law school may have very adverse effects on you if you don't have this under control from the beginning. Your health is the most important - not a degree. Again, I am giving unsolicited advice, so take it for what it is.

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Re: Pending Charges at UG

Postby hyakku » Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:55 am

89vision wrote:
Thanks for noticing the difference.

So my plan is to call some schools when I get off of work. I think it would be better to have a conversation about it. My last offense was alcohol, but in rehab I admitted to using heroin and opana regularly, and in my addendum I stated I was continuing to address my bipolar and substance abuse, How do I write about this? Since everyone wants to know, I went to a meeting with a school official on h, and admitted to it because I thought I wasn't a student. I know it was dumb, but I had a problem and didn't think my inebriation was obvious. All the letter says is "admitted to being high on heroin while meeting with a school official;" I am really embarassed about it and am begging the school to drop it. The school said they want to help and support me vs. punish me.

Thanks for advice, I also emailed my adviser.


First of all, I didn't go data mining for that thread, he did. My original post clearly says c+f OR ps. But disregarding that, is this story fucking serious? Im not going to sugar coat this - you really need to reconsider law school and getting your life on track. Forget just doing H - doing enough H to the point where you can socially function denotes a fucking problem man, even if you don't get caught. The fact that you are so comfortable with doing it that you ADMITTED TO AN AUTHORITY FIGURE that you were on Heroine should really worry you.

And with these details, if you aren't going to listen to that, yes you absolutely need to disclose. You can't rely on every person from the school taking a sympathetic view and sweeping this under the rug, especially with prior history. If it got left on your record or you had to go for rehab/help, the schools are going to find it and it's going to be a metric shit ton worse.

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Re: Pending Charges at UG

Postby 89vision » Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:13 am

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Re: Pending Charges at UG

Postby ThreeRivers » Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:22 am

I really don't think the school that already accepted you will drop their offer

It might be a real issue with schools that haven't responded yet

I know this is unsolicited advice, but you really do need to get your life under control before law school

I'll sound like a boring educational movie, but if you continue on that path (even if you are functional now) you'll end up hitting rock bottom in some way (professionally, socially, in prison, etc)

I wish you the best of luck though man

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Re: Pending Charges at UG

Postby 89vision » Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:44 am

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Re: Pending Charges at UG

Postby NomNom » Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:56 am

This is just all bizarre.

You are a functioning heroin addict. It takes guts to admit that. However, you do not belong anywhere near a law school until you are clean...for a long time...and can identify WHY you were an addict in the first place. Right now, law school should not even be a consideration for you. Period.
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Re: Pending Charges at UG

Postby 89vision » Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:56 am

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Re: Pending Charges at UG

Postby nsbane » Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:58 am

I think the school officials will document and pursue anything like that in the interest of covering their asses. For example, a school official met with you while you were high on H. You told them you were high on H. School does nothing. Month later you overdose. School suddenly becomes liable for a lawsuit, whether or not it has merit.

School officials have no legal obligation to keep anything like that confidential. Counselors, psychologists, & psychiatrists do. The fact that you said that the officials are snitching, to me, means you lack any perspective of the situation you put them in. Or you are angry and frustrated, which I would understand.

Now, as to your lawschool applications.... My advice is:

1) Withdraw all of your applications.
2) Go into treatment
3) Get a job.
4) Apply next year or the year after.

1L is extremely stressful. I don't think many law schools will accept you with an admitted heroin addiction, especially considering how recent it is & you have a history of going to school & met with officials while high. This is documented and will come out.

If you are found to be withholding anything in your app, it could be grounds for them denying you entrance. Or denying your diploma. Or when you graduate, denying you entrance to the bar. The problem is, if you are completely forthright, it probably means they won't accept you either. In the interest of your health, get some work experience for a couple years and get treatment. Then apply again.

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Re: Pending Charges at UG

Postby Flips88 » Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:04 am

In all honesty, I hope that every school dings you because of this and that any school that has accepted you retracts it. It'd be for your own good. Law school is not undergrad where you can stay up till 4 a.m., go to half your classes, cram for tests, and still do well. Studying for law school exams was one of the most stressful months of my life. I do not think a person with a predisposition to manage their stress with heroin would come out the other end very well. For your own good, don't go to law school now. It won't be a better environment for you. It'll likely be worse. Get clean, stay clean. Until then, you don't belong in a law school.

ETA: this is tough love. My uncle on my mom's side is bipolar and has been addicted to all sorts of drugs on and off his entire life. I honestly don't think law school would be a good idea for you right now.
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Re: Pending Charges at UG

Postby nsbane » Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:05 am

I wonder if your applications to law school now as an addict mean you have already resigned to being an addict your entire life.

If not, then when do you plan to quit heroin? During your 1L? Finals week? Or during the summers, when you are interning with your future employers?

Or perhaps after graduation, when you are trying to snag a job? Or how about during the first 3 years when you are working your ass off to show your boss you are a hard worker? Or how about after 6 more years of being an addict, when you've graduated law school and did your first few years of work, that's when you'll quit? It seems like you are treating this like a chronic, manageable health problem like diabetes. I don't think it is.

That being said, I truly wish you good luck man, and I hope that you make the right choices and it works out.

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Re: Pending Charges at UG

Postby 89vision » Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:07 am

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Re: Pending Charges at UG

Postby 89vision » Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:13 am

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