167, 3.83, military. Where do I stand?

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167, 3.83, military. Where do I stand?

Postby kroakstool » Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:03 pm

Where do you think I'll be able to get in with a 167, 3.83 and a military background?

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Re: 167, 3.83, military. Where do I stand?

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Re: 167, 3.83, military. Where do I stand?

Postby lifqiu » Mon Jan 09, 2012 7:41 pm

lawschoolnumbers.com

a military background could be a bump if you make it relevant in your PS and resume.

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Re: 167, 3.83, military. Where do I stand?

Postby kroakstool » Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:25 pm

Seriously? Wow. I thought I was reaching with Vanderbilt. I guess I could write a killer writing sample for Yale. But those app fees for Harvard and Yale are killer and my fee waiver doesn't help with those two

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Re: 167, 3.83, military. Where do I stand?

Postby lawyerwannabe » Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:29 pm

hoos89 wrote:I'm honestly not sure how being the military affects your application, but my impression is that military service will give you a nice bump in the eyes of the admissions committees. Based on your numbers alone, I think you have a decent chance at getting into most of the T14 schools; HYS are your reach schools, and you are all but a lock for 20 on down. Best of luck!


I know military XP is a great soft but unless I am horrible misinformed, this advice is awful.

First, the type of military XP (according to some on this board) can play a role in how big of a bump you will be given (combat XP, leadership roles, etc.).

Second, even with a pretty nice bump, CCN, let alone HYS, are pretty much completely out of reach IMO. Your reach schools are MVPDN.

I see your best chances in the T14 at Michigan, Cornell, and Georgetown.

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Re: 167, 3.83, military. Where do I stand?

Postby Betharl » Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:31 pm

lawyerwannabe wrote:
hoos89 wrote:I'm honestly not sure how being the military affects your application, but my impression is that military service will give you a nice bump in the eyes of the admissions committees. Based on your numbers alone, I think you have a decent chance at getting into most of the T14 schools; HYS are your reach schools, and you are all but a lock for 20 on down. Best of luck!


I know military XP is a great soft but unless I am horrible misinformed, this advice is awful.

First, the type of military XP (according to some on this board) can play a role in how big of a bump you will be given (combat XP, leadership roles, etc.).

Second, even with a pretty nice bump, CCN, let alone HYS, are pretty much completely out of reach IMO. Your reach schools are MVPDN.

I see your best chances in the T14 at Michigan, Cornell, and Georgetown.

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Re: 167, 3.83, military. Where do I stand?

Postby kroakstool » Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:57 pm

lawyerwannabe wrote:
hoos89 wrote:I'm honestly not sure how being the military affects your application, but my impression is that military service will give you a nice bump in the eyes of the admissions committees. Based on your numbers alone, I think you have a decent chance at getting into most of the T14 schools; HYS are your reach schools, and you are all but a lock for 20 on down. Best of luck!


I know military XP is a great soft but unless I am horrible misinformed, this advice is awful.

First, the type of military XP (according to some on this board) can play a role in how big of a bump you will be given (combat XP, leadership roles, etc.).

Second, even with a pretty nice bump, CCN, let alone HYS, are pretty much completely out of reach IMO. Your reach schools are MVPDN.

I see your best chances in the T14 at Michigan, Cornell, and Georgetown.


So what schools are practical to apply to then?

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Re: 167, 3.83, military. Where do I stand?

Postby Hjones33 » Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:11 pm

I am not an expert and maybe someone with better knowledge could second me or tell me I am wrong but I think you should apply to Cal-Berkeley (Boalt). There is someone who has a 167 and a 3.9 on LSN that got in and was a non-URM. Also the common belief on Berkeley is that they actually look beyond the numbers and your service could look very attractive to them. I am not saying you are a sure bet in, but I would think you would have a shot. Good luck!

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Re: 167, 3.83, military. Where do I stand?

Postby kroakstool » Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:22 pm

Hjones33 wrote:I am not an expert and maybe someone with better knowledge could second me or tell me I am wrong but I think you should apply to Cal-Berkeley (Boalt). There is someone who has a 167 and a 3.9 on LSN that got in and was a non-URM. Also the common belief on Berkeley is that they actually look beyond the numbers and your service could look very attractive to them. I am not saying you are a sure bet in, but I would think you would have a shot. Good luck!


I'm trying to stay on the East Coast to be closer to my family.

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Re: 167, 3.83, military. Where do I stand?

Postby NYC Law » Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:28 pm

ED to Virginia. They'll like the high GPA + Military experience. I've heard they're pretty fond of military. Other than that you'll be a reach/target at Michigan or Cornell, Vanderbilt is a decent possibility though. Alternatively, go to BU/BC/Fordham/GW, you should get some decent money out of them.

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Re: 167, 3.83, military. Where do I stand?

Postby kroakstool » Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:37 pm

NYC Law wrote:ED to Virginia. They'll like the high GPA + Military experience. I've heard they're pretty fond of military. Other than that you'll be a reach/target at Michigan or Cornell, Vanderbilt is a decent possibility though. Alternatively, go to BU/BC/Fordham/GW, you should get some decent money out of them.


My application is already in at Virginia. I had heard they liked military. It makes sense with Norfolk and the Pentagon.

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Re: 167, 3.83, military. Where do I stand?

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Re: 167, 3.83, military. Where do I stand?

Postby puff0ffluff » Tue Jan 10, 2012 5:41 pm

You should ED UVA and EA Cornell for 2013. Your military background will benefit you significantly, or you can think of it as a 3pt bump in lsat ;)

good luck. I hope you get into the school you want.

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Re: 167, 3.83, military. Where do I stand?

Postby justinp » Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:19 am

Really, no one's said the obvious?

If you haven't taken three times, retake the LSAT, man! Really, really buckle down and study the HELL out of that test, bump your score up five points, and you're on target for CCN. Add seven points and you stand a decent shot at HYS. If you studied hard the first time, study harder. There is absolutely no reason why someone who can get a 167 can't get a 172. And that is the difference between median at bottom T14 and median at CCN.

I don't know jack about how adcomms view military service, but you have a really good shot at some bomb schools if you can just crank that up a few points.

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Re: 167, 3.83, military. Where do I stand?

Postby lawyerwannabe » Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:24 am

justinp wrote:Really, no one's said the obvious?

If you haven't taken three times, retake the LSAT, man! Really, really buckle down and study the HELL out of that test, bump your score up five points, and you're on target for CCN. Add seven points and you stand a decent shot at HYS. If you studied hard the first time, study harder. There is absolutely no reason why someone who can get a 167 can't get a 172. And that is the difference between median at bottom T14 and median at CCN.

I don't know jack about how adcomms view military service, but you have a really good shot at some bomb schools if you can just crank that up a few points.


Median what? Lower T-14 LSAT medians are mostly 170. He is far below T-14 LSAT medians (barring Cornell and Berkeley and, to a lesser extent, Michigan).

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Re: 167, 3.83, military. Where do I stand?

Postby justinp » Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:54 am

lawyerwannabe wrote:
justinp wrote:Really, no one's said the obvious?

If you haven't taken three times, retake the LSAT, man! Really, really buckle down and study the HELL out of that test, bump your score up five points, and you're on target for CCN. Add seven points and you stand a decent shot at HYS. If you studied hard the first time, study harder. There is absolutely no reason why someone who can get a 167 can't get a 172. And that is the difference between median at bottom T14 and median at CCN.

I don't know jack about how adcomms view military service, but you have a really good shot at some bomb schools if you can just crank that up a few points.


Median what? Lower T-14 LSAT medians are mostly 170. He is far below T-14 LSAT medians (barring Cornell and Berkeley and, to a lesser extent, Michigan).


No, lower T14 75th percentiles are mostly 170. A 170 is (most likely) median or above median at anywhere from Michigan on down based on the numbers the TLS ranking page shows. I say most likely because we only get the 25th-75th spread, but assuming a bell distribution blah blah blah it makes sense to just split the difference.

But point taken, he is a bit below median for bottom T14 as of now. So there's even more reason for him to retake, I guess.

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Re: 167, 3.83, military. Where do I stand?

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Re: 167, 3.83, military. Where do I stand?

Postby lawyerwannabe » Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:36 pm

justinp wrote:
lawyerwannabe wrote:
justinp wrote:Really, no one's said the obvious?

If you haven't taken three times, retake the LSAT, man! Really, really buckle down and study the HELL out of that test, bump your score up five points, and you're on target for CCN. Add seven points and you stand a decent shot at HYS. If you studied hard the first time, study harder. There is absolutely no reason why someone who can get a 167 can't get a 172. And that is the difference between median at bottom T14 and median at CCN.

I don't know jack about how adcomms view military service, but you have a really good shot at some bomb schools if you can just crank that up a few points.


Median what? Lower T-14 LSAT medians are mostly 170. He is far below T-14 LSAT medians (barring Cornell and Berkeley and, to a lesser extent, Michigan).


No, lower T14 75th percentiles are mostly 170. A 170 is (most likely) median or above median at anywhere from Michigan on down based on the numbers the TLS ranking page shows. I say most likely because we only get the 25th-75th spread, but assuming a bell distribution blah blah blah it makes sense to just split the difference.

But point taken, he is a bit below median for bottom T14 as of now. So there's even more reason for him to retake, I guess.


You must be looking at the wrong list. There is only one school whose 75th percentile LSAT is 170 (Berkeley).

And, regardless of what is given on this website by the website, there are threads that compile the different school's median LSAT as gathered from their individual websites. UPenn, UVA, Duke, Northwestern, and Georgetown all have 170 median LSATs for their current classes.

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Re: 167, 3.83, military. Where do I stand?

Postby joebruin2.0 » Sat Jan 14, 2012 2:40 am

My impression on the military bit is that in today's world, the military experience means nothing... what they care about is the fact the student has the post 9/11 GI Bill (which as of November covers instate tuition in total), which means they can pay full pop and that can cross-subsidize a student with better numbers they want to bring in for a rankings boost.

I run into about 2 officers a week who say, "when I get out I'm going to law school," because they are under the mistaken belief that this will make them money (and frankly, what else are they going to do). The law school "market" is now getting flooded with former military folks - ALL with combat experience. I think they may respect you more if you just put it down in your personal statement, "Look, admit me and I'll bring my nice fat government money with me."

Just my 2-cents

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Re: 167, 3.83, military. Where do I stand?

Postby DMBFan » Sat Jan 14, 2012 2:47 am

I'll PM you. I was military what somewhat similiar numbers.

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Re: 167, 3.83, military. Where do I stand?

Postby kroakstool » Sat Jan 14, 2012 4:55 am

Retake isn't really an option for me. I'm going to school this cycle. I'm looking to work in the Atlanta market, so T14 would be nice, but isn't absolutely essential

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Re: 167, 3.83, military. Where do I stand?

Postby Kring345 » Sat Jan 14, 2012 5:02 am

Here's me. 5 years in the Marine Corps. 168/3.8

http://lawschoolnumbers.com/juj122

Things are going great so far.

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Re: 167, 3.83, military. Where do I stand?

Postby mountaintime » Sat Jan 14, 2012 5:03 am

hoos89 wrote:his gpa is 75th percentile range for a lot of T14s and his lsat is over most 25th percentiles


yes. this + military puts him in pretty good shape.

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Re: 167, 3.83, military. Where do I stand?

Postby NavyLaw » Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:21 am

5years navy officer with similar numbers. So far I havent seen much oh a boost, if any, from my military experience. It seems things are playing out just as my numbers would show. Only t14 is gulc part time




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