Should I just accept now?

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Should I just accept now?

Postby Kris31280 » Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:52 am

I've been admitted to the Florida Coastal School of Law with a $20,000 merit scholarship. I find it hard to believe that any of the other law schools I've applied to is going to come anywhere near matching that, but since this is my first attempt at applying I can't be sure.

I've applied to UF, Baltimore, and St. Thomas in Minnesota in addition to FCSL.

I have been told by many of the attorneys I currently work with that it doesn't matter where you go to school, it is what you do with your degree and the connections you make.

Both UF and Baltimore have reviewed my file with no decision reached. I emailed Baltimore and they told me they should have my decision in a couple of weeks. I just hate waiting to plan for the rest of my life. Should I just go ahead and accept FCSL's offer?

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Re: Should I just accept now?

Postby Blessedassurance » Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:06 am

Kris31280 wrote:I've been admitted to the Florida Coastal School of Law with a $20,000 merit scholarship. I find it hard to believe that any of the other law schools I've applied to is going to come anywhere near matching that, but since this is my first attempt at applying I can't be sure.

I've applied to UF, Baltimore, and St. Thomas in Minnesota in addition to FCSL.

I have been told by many of the attorneys I currently work with that it doesn't matter where you go to school, it is what you do with your degree and the connections you make.

Both UF and Baltimore have reviewed my file with no decision reached. I emailed Baltimore and they told me they should have my decision in a couple of weeks. I just hate waiting to plan for the rest of my life. Should I just go ahead and accept FCSL's offer?


When's the deadline to accept?

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Re: Should I just accept now?

Postby booboo » Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:08 am

Two things: I don't see the harm in waiting a few more months, possibly getting an unexpected acceptance/scholarship, and then putting the schools under the fire in terms of trying to get each of them to fight over getting you to matriculate. Secondly, though what the attorney said is true, one should recognize that the ability to "do" something with your degree and the to make "connections" correlates, if it doesn't equate in some way, to the higher quality of the school. You should attempt to make a calculation of the value of a UF or Baltimore education and the ability to do something with that degree with one of a Florida Coastal Degree with the scholarship. Legal employment is bleak, and if you're going to make the law school decision, risk-averse tactics are likely the better maneuvers to ensure you don't graduate jobless, with debt that you cannot discharge, and freaking out about life.

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Re: Should I just accept now?

Postby oaken » Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:11 am

Why the hell wouldn't you wait? As far as I can tell, you have literally no reason except "I don't like waiting." I just don't get how this is even a question.

Also, if you do get scholarships from another school, you could possibly negotiate a higher one with FCSL.

Do you have one single reason why you shouldn't wait?

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Re: Should I just accept now?

Postby AlexanderSupertramp » Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:23 am

No, don't accept now.

Also, I hate to be the one to do this buuuuut:

Dude, you have a 3.8 GPA. Have you considered retaking the LSAT? It's not what you want to hear. It wasn't what I wanted to hear when I desperately wanted to go to law school rightthisminutethankyouverymuch even though I had a 156. Is there any reason that you won't consider waiting another year, doing a real study regimen and improving your score? If so you could get that same (or better) scholly at a much more highly ranked school.

I know people have lots of compelling reasons for not wanting to wait...or maybe you have taken it more than once, so if you don't want my advice don't take it.

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Re: Should I just accept now?

Postby Kris31280 » Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:35 am

oaken wrote:Why the hell wouldn't you wait? As far as I can tell, you have literally no reason except "I don't like waiting." I just don't get how this is even a question.

Also, if you do get scholarships from another school, you could possibly negotiate a higher one with FCSL.

Do you have one single reason why you shouldn't wait?


Because it isn't just myself that has a vested interest in where I'm going to school next year. I'm a single mother who currently lives in Maryland. In order to attend law school, I need the help and support of my family. If FCSL is where I am going, then plans need to be made to move an entire household to Florida.

I'm not worried about finding a job out of law school, as I have already been given two job offers in Maryland (one for the attorney I work for now, another for an organization I am associated with through a council I'm on) and am certain I can make new contacts where ever I decide to end up.

AlexanderSupertramp wrote:No, don't accept now.

Also, I hate to be the one to do this buuuuut:

Dude, you have a 3.8 GPA. Have you considered retaking the LSAT? It's not what you want to hear. It wasn't what I wanted to hear when I desperately wanted to go to law school rightthisminutethankyouverymuch even though I had a 156. Is there any reason that you won't consider waiting another year, doing a real study regimen and improving your score? If so you could get that same (or better) scholly at a much more highly ranked school.

I know people have lots of compelling reasons for not wanting to wait...or maybe you have taken it more than once, so if you don't want my advice don't take it.

I can't afford to wait another year, and the circumstances aren't going to change in prepping for the LSAT. Trust me, I've thought about retaking the LSAT but I don't believe anything is going to change in regards to preparation.

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Re: Should I just accept now?

Postby oaken » Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:41 am

Kris31280 wrote:
oaken wrote:Why the hell wouldn't you wait? As far as I can tell, you have literally no reason except "I don't like waiting." I just don't get how this is even a question.

Also, if you do get scholarships from another school, you could possibly negotiate a higher one with FCSL.

Do you have one single reason why you shouldn't wait?


Because it isn't just myself that has a vested interest in where I'm going to school next year. I'm a single mother who currently lives in Maryland. In order to attend law school, I need the help and support of my family. If FCSL is where I am going, then plans need to be made to move an entire household to Florida.

I'm not worried about finding a job out of law school, as I have already been given two job offers in Maryland (one for the attorney I work for now, another for an organization I am associated with through a council I'm on) and am certain I can make new contacts where ever I decide to end up.


Ah, well, that's the sort of thing that it would have been good to put in the OP.

Still, I wouldn't accept now. Even if you've absolutely decided to go, you're guaranteed a spot, and that scholarship negotiation thing could still come into play down the road.

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Re: Should I just accept now?

Postby AlexanderSupertramp » Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:42 am

OK. I still would wait and see what you get. I'm a single mother of three. My youngest was 2 months old when I started law school so if you have any questions or need support feel free to pm me! :D I had to make decisions based on scholarships as well even though it meant going to a lower ranked school than some of the ones I did get into. I also, due to our custody agreement can not move the kids out of state, so that narrowed my options. I'd normally steer anyone far far far away from FC as it's a for-profit school with a pretty bad reputation and high price tag but if you have a scholarship and a job lined up you might be okay. Good luck with everything.

Still, see what a MD school will give you. It would be nice to be close to family and if you want to practice in that state they might teach more to the MD bar plus you could still do your summer internships in MD and build more connections with the legal community there.

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Re: Should I just accept now?

Postby soitgoes9 » Sun Dec 18, 2011 11:32 am

With family and connections in MD i think you would be crazy to go to Florida esp. b/c the legal market is so saturated there.

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Re: Should I just accept now?

Postby Kris31280 » Sun Dec 18, 2011 11:38 am

AlexanderSupertramp wrote:OK. I still would wait and see what you get. I'm a single mother of three. My youngest was 2 months old when I started law school so if you have any questions or need support feel free to pm me! :D I had to make decisions based on scholarships as well even though it meant going to a lower ranked school than some of the ones I did get into. I also, due to our custody agreement can not move the kids out of state, so that narrowed my options. I'd normally steer anyone far far far away from FC as it's a for-profit school with a pretty bad reputation and high price tag but if you have a scholarship and a job lined up you might be okay. Good luck with everything.

Still, see what a MD school will give you. It would be nice to be close to family and if you want to practice in that state they might teach more to the MD bar plus you could still do your summer internships in MD and build more connections with the legal community there.


Thanks for the advice and I'm sure I will be asking for advice in the future. I know FC has not had the greatest rep but it has started to change in the past few years. Right now, for example, they have the #1 moot court team in the nation and their bar passage rate is higher than the state average. Mostly, honestly, I just want to live in St. Augustine.

I work for a lawyer who's family has a long history politically and legally, and my ex's family (whom I'm still friendly with) is the same. I am very well connnected in this area but am unsure Maryland is where I want to remain. I'm from Minnesota originally, but I long for warmer weather.
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Re: Should I just accept now?

Postby Kris31280 » Sun Dec 18, 2011 11:41 am

soitgoes9 wrote:With family and connections in MD i think you would be crazy to go to Florida esp. b/c the legal market is so saturated there.

I have connections in Florida too. My best friend's aunt is running for judge in Jacksonville.

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Re: Should I just accept now?

Postby AlexanderSupertramp » Sun Dec 18, 2011 11:42 am

Sorry, I must have read incorrectly. It looked like you have a job lined up in MD.

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Re: Should I just accept now?

Postby Kris31280 » Sun Dec 18, 2011 11:45 am

AlexanderSupertramp wrote:Sorry, I must have read incorrectly. It looked like you have a job lined up in MD.

I do, my current boss (I'm a legal assistant for a Personal Injury firm) offered to hire me out of law school.

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Re: Should I just accept now?

Postby soitgoes9 » Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:33 pm

Still i would wait and look into the stipulation on the 20k. I am under the impression that costal gives $$ and then forces people out with a crazy curve. And cost of living moving ect. But I have an anti florida bias they graduate far to many lawyers form man schools that are not that good.

Also moot court means nothing unless you are on the team. Florida Costal may be getting a less bad reputation but UBalt. is more established even if the education is comparable.

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Re: Should I just accept now?

Postby ben4847 » Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:00 pm

Don't accept yet.

Even if you decide you are going to Florida, you can still start moving and use the other acceptances and scholarships as bargaining.
Also, if you are going to practice in MD, it is a good idea to go to school there. I know you have a job offer from your boss, but things happen over 4 years.

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Re: Should I just accept now?

Postby WSJ_Law » Sun Dec 18, 2011 4:52 pm

Please don't go to law school

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Re: Should I just accept now?

Postby KMaine » Sun Dec 18, 2011 5:08 pm

WSJ_Law wrote:Please don't go to law school


She seems to have a job lined up. You don't know what her alternatives are. I wouldn't be so quick to rule it out.

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Re: Should I just accept now?

Postby Kris31280 » Sun Dec 18, 2011 5:18 pm

Thank you, everyone, for your advice. I appreciate it!

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Re: Should I just accept now?

Postby Tiago Splitter » Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:00 pm

Kris31280 wrote: Mostly, honestly, I just want to live in St. Augustine.


Sounds like a great reason to attend law school there.

KMaine wrote:
WSJ_Law wrote:Please don't go to law school


She seems to have a job lined up. You don't know what her alternatives are. I wouldn't be so quick to rule it out.


Job lined up? Really?

Kris31280 wrote:I have connections in Florida too. My best friend's aunt is running for judge in Jacksonville.


Kris31280 wrote:I work for a lawyer who's family has a long history politically and legally, and my ex's family (whom I'm still friendly with) is the same. I am very well connnected in this area but am unsure Maryland is where I want to remain. I'm from Minnesota originally, but I long for warmer weather.


Kris31280 wrote:I'm not worried about finding a job out of law school, as I have already been given two job offers in Maryland (one for the attorney I work for now, another for an organization I am associated with through a council I'm on) and am certain I can make new contacts where ever I decide to end up.


Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen, especially with the ridiculous stips FCSL puts on scholarships. But hey, she wants warm weather and her friend's aunt might become a judge one day. Florida Coastal has to be the only option.

Kris31280 wrote:I can't afford to wait another year, and the circumstances aren't going to change in prepping for the LSAT. Trust me, I've thought about retaking the LSAT but I don't believe anything is going to change in regards to preparation.


Then give up. You won't have many opportunities to make the worst decision of your life, but you've come across one. Best of luck.

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Re: Should I just accept now?

Postby AriGoldButNicer » Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:43 pm

She'll be occupying south beach in no time.

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Re: Should I just accept now?

Postby NoleinNY » Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:50 pm

Edit: Missed the part where you have a job lined up....... If you can wait to see what the other schools have to say, wait. If you absolutely can't wait, then I guess you should just accept (since you have a job lined up.)

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Re: Should I just accept now?

Postby AriGoldButNicer » Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:58 pm

NoleinNY wrote:Edit: Missed the part where you have a job lined up....... If you can wait to see what the other schools have to say, wait. If you absolutely can't wait, then I guess you should just accept (since you have a job lined up.)

Hardly seems like she has a job lined up. She's assuming she does, but it seemsnshe's banking on favors that may not happen (ex: ex's family laying their neck out for her, etc.)

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Re: Should I just accept now?

Postby Ludo! » Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:58 pm

I'd get that boss' offer in writing. And make sure Florida coastal isn't one of those schools that flunks out a third of its class like some of its peers

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Re: Should I just accept now?

Postby Kris31280 » Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:13 pm

It was an honest question and obviously I'm new here. I didn't realize these forums were for people who lack common decency with their fellow man.

The stipulation on the scholarship is a 2.9 GPA must be maintained. In my entire school career I have never carried less than a 3.6.

My ex's father wrote me a glowing letter of recommendation AFTER his son and I had broken up, so I'm not worried about that relationship.

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Re: Should I just accept now?

Postby acrossthelake » Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:20 pm

Kris31280 wrote:It was an honest question and obviously I'm new here. I didn't realize these forums were for people who lack common decency with their fellow man.

The stipulation on the scholarship is a 2.9 GPA must be maintained. In my entire school career I have never carried less than a 3.6.

My ex's father wrote me a glowing letter of recommendation AFTER his son and I had broken up, so I'm not worried about that relationship.


Not saying you shouldn't go, but to be careful of assuming that your law school GPA will have any relation to any prior GPA. I know people who never carried less than 3.9 GPAs receive much lower in law school (they were very unhappy and sort of shocked about it).
No undergrad I've ever heard of purposely creates a curve designed to push a certain % of students under a gpa needed to retain the scholarship. They shouldn't. It's Machiavellian. Law schools do this, however. It's scam-like (or just a flat out scam, depending on perspective), and unfair, but they DO do this. There have been many articles on this, including in the NYTimes. So people like you, who have never carried less than a 3.6, might suddenly find themselves with a much lower GPA because the school designed it that way so they could get the money back. Try to find out what the curve is for your school--what % of people will end up below that 2.9 GPA? That's important, and critical.

ETA:
To give an example, about 75% of people at Harvard had at least a 3.8 when getting in(something like 25% 3.9+). If you translate our curve into a GPA system(DS=5, H=4, P=3, LP=2, F=0...) then the median GPA here is 3.3. A good chunk of those people (you can't assume the ppl in the bottom GPA of acceptances are necessarily going to be the ones below median) will see a drop of 0.5 or more in GPA from what they've ever experienced before, for a decent number more. So that's a 0.5+ drop in GPA for people who have a history of pretty excellent performance in their school careers when we have a much nicer curve of 3.3 rather than 2.5. That's a different ball game.

ETA:
Ludovico Technique wrote:The curve at Florida Coastal is 2.5.



O.o Yes, that is most definitely a curve designed to make sure most people with scholarships lose it. I have heard of VERY FEW undergrad programs (even engineering ones) with curves approaching that level of brutality.




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