How much do JC grades count in this scenario?

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How much do JC grades count in this scenario?

Postby getsemani » Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:24 am

I have a bunch of Ds, Fs, and Ws from my first community college years in 2006-2007. Since I went back to school in 2009 and transferred to UC Davis I have scored nothing but As, and currently have a 3.97 at UCD.
Is it a safe bet that the grades from 4-5 years ago will not be considered by TOP law school admissions offices considering a strong upward trend. Let me put it this way: Does an extreme upward trend forgive old grades 100%?
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Re: How much do JC grades count in this scenario?

Postby cinephile » Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:26 am

Since all of your grades get calculated into your LSAC GPA, they'll be considered in that sense. If you're talking about individual failing grades look bad, why not write an addendum explaining what went on that year.

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Re: How much do JC grades count in this scenario?

Postby Ludo! » Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:36 am

My god I wish that were the case, I'd be at a T6 right now. You can write an addendum and adcoms will claim to care about your upward trend. It might help you in a tiebreaker situation. But ultimately your cumulative GPA is what they report so that's the number that matters.

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Re: How much do JC grades count in this scenario?

Postby soitgoes9 » Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:47 am

Clearly its better to be in you place, then to have As then fail a bunch of classes. They care about the final reported number, but still write the addendum and apply early and hope they they are more holistic.

Also destroy the LSAT it matters more.

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Re: How much do JC grades count in this scenario?

Postby kwais » Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:20 am

sorry man, I have almost the same story. It just doesn't work that way. the upward trend will be tiebreaker at best.

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Re: How much do JC grades count in this scenario?

Postby ThreeRivers » Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:55 am

Yea, I'm sorry as well but I'll second the it doesn't work that way

I have ONE semester of all F's a long time ago and all 4.0's since

My ug gpa is 3.9+ and my lsat gpa is 3.5

Just got rejected from GW with a 167/ 3.5... which was surprising even with those numbers, so it looks like they didn't even consider how much higher my gpa could have been if it wasn't for my 1st semester of college lol

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Re: How much do JC grades count in this scenario?

Postby TempleU555555 » Sat Dec 10, 2011 12:11 pm

What a bullshit numbers game.

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Re: How much do JC grades count in this scenario?

Postby getsemani » Sat Dec 10, 2011 12:17 pm

Hey guys, this is the OP. I appreciate your brutal honesty, even if you crapped on my dreams. Kidding.

I just calculated my LSAC GPA, including all the old Fs. I would have a 3.2 by graduation, but just to illustrate the trend again: I will have a 3.97 in my last 2 years and a 3.9 in my last 3 years.

Considering those numbers, if i were to get a 175-180 on the LSTA, would this potentially open up doors to the Top10 schools in spite of the low LSAC GPA?

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Re: How much do JC grades count in this scenario?

Postby Ludo! » Sat Dec 10, 2011 12:24 pm

I had a similar drop between degree and cumulative gpa. But luckily for us, yes a high LSAT can do a lot to overcome that GPA. A 175+ is definitely good enough for a top ten

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Re: How much do JC grades count in this scenario?

Postby ThreeRivers » Sat Dec 10, 2011 12:30 pm

Ludovico Technique wrote:I had a similar drop between degree and cumulative gpa. But luckily for us, yes a high LSAT can do a lot to overcome that GPA. A 175+ is definitely good enough for a top ten

Definitely so, but I'm guessing OP has a 3.4-3.5, so a 175+ with that gpa would obviously be great stats

I'm just stating he'll pretty much be evaluated on the gpa section as is

Can still get into a great school

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Re: How much do JC grades count in this scenario?

Postby getsemani » Sat Dec 10, 2011 12:55 pm

ThreeRivers wrote:Definitely so, but I'm guessing OP has a 3.4-3.5, so a 175+ with that gpa would obviously be great stats

I'm just stating he'll pretty much be evaluated on the gpa section as is

Can still get into a great school



OP will have a 3.1-3.2

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Re: How much do JC grades count in this scenario?

Postby JDizzle2015 » Sat Dec 10, 2011 3:34 pm

getsemani wrote:Hey guys, this is the OP. I appreciate your brutal honesty, even if you crapped on my dreams. Kidding.

I just calculated my LSAC GPA, including all the old Fs. I would have a 3.2 by graduation, but just to illustrate the trend again: I will have a 3.97 in my last 2 years and a 3.9 in my last 3 years.

Considering those numbers, if i were to get a 175-180 on the LSTA, would this potentially open up doors to the Top10 schools in spite of the low LSAC GPA?

Bad news: Unfortunately, your plight isn't as uncommon as you think. (Most of us applying to top schools either started out great and stayed great or got our act together towards the end of UG. I'm one of the latter as well and so are a couple previous posters.) Your predicted 3.2 upon graduation will be seen as a 3.2, sorry :/. You're locked out of HYS and likely locked out of Columbia/Chicago as well but NYU may bite if you score extremely well on the LSAT.

Good news: Every other school, except Duke, in the top 10 are realistic possibilities with a 3.2 if you hit the 175-180 range on the LSAT. GL!

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Re: How much do JC grades count in this scenario?

Postby getsemani » Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:24 pm

JDizzle2015 wrote:Bad news: Unfortunately, your plight isn't as uncommon as you think. (Most of us applying to top schools either started out great and stayed great or got our act together towards the end of UG. I'm one of the latter as well and so are a couple previous posters.) Your predicted 3.2 upon graduation will be seen as a 3.2, sorry :/. You're locked out of HYS and likely locked out of Columbia/Chicago as well but NYU may bite if you score extremely well on the LSAT.

Good news: Every other school, except Duke, in the top 10 are realistic possibilities with a 3.2 if you hit the 175-180 range on the LSAT. GL!


Thanks man. It's nice knowing that Berkeley is still a possibility.

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Re: How much do JC grades count in this scenario?

Postby JDizzle2015 » Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:13 pm

getsemani wrote:
JDizzle2015 wrote:Bad news: Unfortunately, your plight isn't as uncommon as you think. (Most of us applying to top schools either started out great and stayed great or got our act together towards the end of UG. I'm one of the latter as well and so are a couple previous posters.) Your predicted 3.2 upon graduation will be seen as a 3.2, sorry :/. You're locked out of HYS and likely locked out of Columbia/Chicago as well but NYU may bite if you score extremely well on the LSAT.

Good news: Every other school, except Duke, in the top 10 are realistic possibilities with a 3.2 if you hit the 175-180 range on the LSAT. GL!


Thanks man. It's nice knowing that Berkeley is still a possibility.

Ehh... Boalt is such a black box that I don't even assess people's chances there. It is relevant to know that Californian law schools seem to have a tendency to weigh GPA heavier than other top schools so chances at Boalt probably aren't great...

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Re: How much do JC grades count in this scenario?

Postby ThreeRivers » Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:04 pm

Yea, I do think its wrong that stuff you do when you're 18 can hurt you so much if you've proven how strong of a candidate you're towards the end. I wouldn't be surprised if adcomms feel similar, but they're a slave to USNR




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