The Law School Scam

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Re: The Law School Scam

Postby ToTransferOrNot » Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:11 pm

whuts4lunch wrote:
ToTransferOrNot wrote:I focused all three years on the most "practical" classes/clinics/etc. I could find. None of it was at all helpful for business in general. This is another assumption people make that is flat-out wrong.


Many practicing and formerly practicing attorneys disagree with you. I've already learned valuable things for business just this semester.


ROFL, name one thing from your 1L first-semester classes that has been helpful for business.

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Re: The Law School Scam

Postby Larry David » Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:12 pm

c3pO4 wrote:
Larry David wrote:
kwais wrote:I swear I can't tell if Veyron and Heavenwood are trolling MTal. Bizarre thread we have here.

Whats a troll?


lol. you. nice use of the "optimism" schtick, troll.

all you 1Ls are in for such a rude awakening. I remember when I was bright eyed and optimistic. Either you will strike out and realize how screwed you are or you will get a job and realize that 7 out of 10 of your friends are drowning in life altering debt. in 3 years either you or the people around you will be positioned to live out your dreams or your worst, most unimaginable nightmare.


Can't be worse that casting calls.

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Re: The Law School Scam

Postby c3pO4 » Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:13 pm

whuts4lunch wrote:
ToTransferOrNot wrote:I focused all three years on the most "practical" classes/clinics/etc. I could find. None of it was at all helpful for business in general. This is another assumption people make that is flat-out wrong.


Many practicing and formerly practicing attorneys disagree with you. I've already learned valuable things for business just this semester.


Lol I'm sure your practicing adjuncts and formerly practicing profs told you that. FYI the only reason adjuncts are teaching at your school is either to develop their own business, or it's a retirement plan. Your profs all flamed out of biglaw or never where in it.

You ain't learning anything useful, dude.

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Re: The Law School Scam

Postby Gail » Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:15 pm

ToTransferOrNot wrote:
whuts4lunch wrote:
ToTransferOrNot wrote:I focused all three years on the most "practical" classes/clinics/etc. I could find. None of it was at all helpful for business in general. This is another assumption people make that is flat-out wrong.


Many practicing and formerly practicing attorneys disagree with you. I've already learned valuable things for business just this semester.


ROFL, name one thing from your 1L first-semester classes that has been helpful for business.




I can think of nothing more pretentious than "business." Learn business? How the hell do you learn business? I'll have a business degree, and I'll let you in on a secret - business is bullshit. Its buzz words and a rat race to "network." Whatever the hell that means.

Its working your entire life for someone that got there before you did, or its four years and a one-way ticket to selling insurance.


EDIT: This was directed at both posters.
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Re: The Law School Scam

Postby whuts4lunch » Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:15 pm

ToTransferOrNot wrote:
whuts4lunch wrote:
ToTransferOrNot wrote:I focused all three years on the most "practical" classes/clinics/etc. I could find. None of it was at all helpful for business in general. This is another assumption people make that is flat-out wrong.


Many practicing and formerly practicing attorneys disagree with you. I've already learned valuable things for business just this semester.


ROFL, name one thing from your 1L first-semester classes that has been helpful for business.


learning about contract law and understanding ways to protect yourself when you enter into agreements.

learning about where you can be sued depending on what kinds of activities you undertake and the location the activities take place

learning about joint/several liability, using that knowledge to protect yourself from liability in certain situations

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Re: The Law School Scam

Postby whuts4lunch » Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:16 pm

c3pO4 wrote:Lol I'm sure your practicing adjuncts and formerly practicing profs told you that. FYI the only reason adjuncts are teaching at your school is either to develop their own business, or it's a retirement plan. Your profs all flamed out of biglaw or never where in it.

You ain't learning anything useful, dude.


not talking about professors. talking about family friends, distant relatives, and people I've already done business with

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Larry David
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Re: The Law School Scam

Postby Larry David » Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:18 pm

c3pO4 wrote:
whuts4lunch wrote:
ToTransferOrNot wrote:I focused all three years on the most "practical" classes/clinics/etc. I could find. None of it was at all helpful for business in general. This is another assumption people make that is flat-out wrong.


Many practicing and formerly practicing attorneys disagree with you. I've already learned valuable things for business just this semester.


Lol I'm sure your practicing adjuncts and formerly practicing profs told you that. FYI the only reason adjuncts are teaching at your school is either to develop their own business, or it's a retirement plan. Your profs all flamed out of biglaw or never where in it.

You ain't learning anything useful, dude.


Whatever he could know his shit!! What if... his school is in a retirement setting like beach community? The best class I have ever taken in my life was a summer anatomy class at a community college where the professor was a disbarred medmal attorney! Funniest Guy alive he drove a S class too and had the building named after himself. Loved to tell all the prenurses pre-health "tech" people how not to get sued.

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Re: The Law School Scam

Postby whuts4lunch » Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:20 pm

Larry David wrote: how not to get sued.


which is something you learn in law school and very very very important in business. not to get sued/protect yourself if sued/limit your liability to smaller amounts if you can't avoid the liability completely

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Re: The Law School Scam

Postby Larry David » Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:20 pm

whuts4lunch wrote:
c3pO4 wrote:Lol I'm sure your practicing adjuncts and formerly practicing profs told you that. FYI the only reason adjuncts are teaching at your school is either to develop their own business, or it's a retirement plan. Your profs all flamed out of biglaw or never where in it.

You ain't learning anything useful, dude.


not talking about professors. talking about family friends, distant relatives, and people I've already done business with


Yea I do have to say 99% of the attorneys from my home town never worked in big law and most of them are well off if not down right loaded

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Re: The Law School Scam

Postby NYC Law » Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:22 pm

I'm FA so I have no hope for a wife or kids anyway. And without those things I have no use for owning a home.

So looks like I'm all set.

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Re: The Law School Scam

Postby MTal » Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:25 pm

NYC Law wrote:I'm FA so I have no hope for a wife or kids anyway. And without those things I have no use for owning a home.

So looks like I'm all set.


Is this why you went to law school...so you could tell women you're a lawyer?

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Re: The Law School Scam

Postby Larry David » Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:25 pm

NYC Law wrote:I'm FA so I have no hope for a wife or kids anyway. And without those things I have no use for owning a home.

So looks like I'm all set.

fat american?

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Re: The Law School Scam

Postby NYC Law » Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:27 pm

Larry David wrote:
NYC Law wrote:I'm FA so I have no hope for a wife or kids anyway. And without those things I have no use for owning a home.

So looks like I'm all set.

fat american?


Forever Alone

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Larry David
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Re: The Law School Scam

Postby Larry David » Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:28 pm

NYC Law wrote:
Larry David wrote:
NYC Law wrote:I'm FA so I have no hope for a wife or kids anyway. And without those things I have no use for owning a home.

So looks like I'm all set.

fat american?


Forever Alone

awww get a hooker!!

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Re: The Law School Scam

Postby whuts4lunch » Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:35 pm

Larry David wrote:
NYC Law wrote:
Larry David wrote:
NYC Law wrote:I'm FA so I have no hope for a wife or kids anyway. And without those things I have no use for owning a home.

So looks like I'm all set.

fat american?


Forever Alone

awww get a hooker!!


Larry David has all the answers.

speaking of which, are the law students all hooking up with each other at your schools? at my school it seems like a lot of people have SOs out of school, or just try not to shit where they eat, but is it like that at most other places?

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Re: The Law School Scam

Postby MTal » Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:38 pm

kwais wrote:I swear I can't tell if Veyron and Heavenwood are trolling MTal. Bizarre thread we have here.


If I were to characterize your personality, it'd be that of a yappy little chihuahua.

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Re: The Law School Scam

Postby kwais » Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:45 pm

MTal wrote:
kwais wrote:I swear I can't tell if Veyron and Heavenwood are trolling MTal. Bizarre thread we have here.


If I were to characterize your personality, it'd be that of a yappy little chihuahua.


good one MTal

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Re: The Law School Scam

Postby glitter178 » Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:48 pm

c3pO4 wrote:
Larry David wrote:
kwais wrote:I swear I can't tell if Veyron and Heavenwood are trolling MTal. Bizarre thread we have here.

Whats a troll?


lol. you. nice use of the "optimism" schtick, troll.

all you 1Ls are in for such a rude awakening. I remember when I was bright eyed and optimistic. Either you will strike out and realize how screwed you are or you will get a job and realize that 7 out of 10 of your friends are drowning in life altering debt. in 3 years either you or the people around you will be positioned to live out your dreams or your worst, most unimaginable nightmare.



i'm sorry.... i don't understand this post (serious) ... either [we] will strike out or [we] will get a job and realize [our] friends are in debt? why would i care if my friends are in debt? i mean i get the sympathy aspect, but i mean why would it affect my life?

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Re: The Law School Scam

Postby Gail » Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:51 pm

It seems like most people that come here using anecdotal stories about how bad law school is come with stories about their friends. It always has a caveat like, "I'm doing ok, but I feel lucky."

If that is the case for every time I've seen something like that, I feel like TLS must be some type of good luck charm.

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Re: The Law School Scam

Postby Larry David » Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:54 pm

Gail wrote:It seems like most people that come here using anecdotal stories about how bad law school is come with stories about their friends. It always has a caveat like, "I'm doing ok, but I feel lucky."

If that is the case for every time I've seen something like that, I feel like TLS must be some type of good luck charm.


no people bitch the loudest or how ever you say that shit

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Re: The Law School Scam

Postby NYC Law » Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:54 pm

MTal, I'll give this to you as a freebie (you'll know what to do with it): --LinkRemoved--

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Re: The Law School Scam

Postby Richie Tenenbaum » Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:56 pm

whuts4lunch wrote:
ToTransferOrNot wrote:Do not understand this logic. Time to evaluate you? They do a 20-30 minute screening interview of you and several dozen other people. Grades are a lot more indicative than that setting in most cases.

Once you make it past the screener to a callback, the game obviously changes (though grades still matter - just not as much).


There is plenty to evaluate. Resume, foreign language ability, sales ability, personality, business savvy, recommendations from previous employers, maybe a writing sample.

You can test the interviewee. You ask them questions, you see how they would respond to certain situations, you attempt to gain an insight into how they think and what they are capable of. A good interviewer can learn a ton about a person in 20-30 minutes. A good interviewee can make sure that the interviewer is familiar with what the interviewee is capable of, just from having had that conversation.


QFP of never having done OCI. What you are saying is fine...but this is not what happens in screening interviews. The majority of these interviews are simple personalty assessments (i.e. "Do I want to work with this person?"). Grades/school are there to show them you're competent to do the work. Sure there are exceptions to this, but you're detached from reality if you think the average screening interviewer is going to ask probing intellectual questions.

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Re: The Law School Scam

Postby Larry David » Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:58 pm

Richie Tenenbaum wrote:
whuts4lunch wrote:
ToTransferOrNot wrote:Do not understand this logic. Time to evaluate you? They do a 20-30 minute screening interview of you and several dozen other people. Grades are a lot more indicative than that setting in most cases.

Once you make it past the screener to a callback, the game obviously changes (though grades still matter - just not as much).


There is plenty to evaluate. Resume, foreign language ability, sales ability, personality, business savvy, recommendations from previous employers, maybe a writing sample.

You can test the interviewee. You ask them questions, you see how they would respond to certain situations, you attempt to gain an insight into how they think and what they are capable of. A good interviewer can learn a ton about a person in 20-30 minutes. A good interviewee can make sure that the interviewer is familiar with what the interviewee is capable of, just from having had that conversation.


QFP of never having done OCI. What you are saying is fine...but this is not what happens in screening interviews. The majority of these interviews are simple personalty assessments (i.e. "Do I want to work with this person?"). Grades/school are there to show them you're competent to do the work. Sure there are exceptions to this, but you're detached from reality if you think the average screening interviewer is going to ask probing intellectual questions.

so if you are extremely good looking it helps

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Re: The Law School Scam

Postby c3pO4 » Wed Nov 16, 2011 7:00 pm

glitter178 wrote:
c3pO4 wrote:
Larry David wrote:
kwais wrote:I swear I can't tell if Veyron and Heavenwood are trolling MTal. Bizarre thread we have here.

Whats a troll?


lol. you. nice use of the "optimism" schtick, troll.

all you 1Ls are in for such a rude awakening. I remember when I was bright eyed and optimistic. Either you will strike out and realize how screwed you are or you will get a job and realize that 7 out of 10 of your friends are drowning in life altering debt. in 3 years either you or the people around you will be positioned to live out your dreams or your worst, most unimaginable nightmare.



i'm sorry.... i don't understand this post (serious) ... either [we] will strike out or [we] will get a job and realize [our] friends are in debt? why would i care if my friends are in debt? i mean i get the sympathy aspect, but i mean why would it affect my life?



the odds are you will be fucked. if you get a job, it's because you are lucky. even then, you are probably fucked. htmfh.

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Re: The Law School Scam

Postby c3pO4 » Wed Nov 16, 2011 7:01 pm

i just can't wait to look up the current 1L's ITT next september when they post "0/4 callbacks, what firms are still hiring" threads.

lol @ TLS only having people with jobs on it.




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