LOR sent to ME for revisions?!?!?

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LOR sent to ME for revisions?!?!?

Postby throwawaythrowaway » Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:03 pm

hey all..throw away account if ya couldn't tell.

one of my LOR's just emailed me a draft of the letter to revise and add to my liking and then he will send my final edited version to LSAC....this seems like a BIG no-no. Granted, the letter he sent is what I had pictured and I don't think there is anything to revise, but I KNOW i will feel guilty seeing this final letter since it should be confidential for transparency purposes.

Does anyone have advice as to how I should handle this? Should I just say oh hey looks good put it on letterhead and send it in? Should I say oh woah hey there buddy no-no now go pretend like this didn't happen?

FWIW i ovi signed the "i will never see this letter" part on the LOR form.

TLS help me out!

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Re: LOR sent to ME for revisions?!?!?

Postby ScrabbleChamp » Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:10 pm

throwawaythrowaway wrote:hey all..throw away account if ya couldn't tell.

one of my LOR's just emailed me a draft of the letter to revise and add to my liking and then he will send my final edited version to LSAC....this seems like a BIG no-no. Granted, the letter he sent is what I had pictured and I don't think there is anything to revise, but I KNOW i will feel guilty seeing this final letter since it should be confidential for transparency purposes.

Does anyone have advice as to how I should handle this? Should I just say oh hey looks good put it on letterhead and send it in? Should I say oh woah hey there buddy no-no now go pretend like this didn't happen?

FWIW i ovi signed the "i will never see this letter" part on the LOR form.

TLS help me out!


Well... the most clear, to me at least, answer is that you can't use that LOR. If you signed the form, waiving your rights to ever see the letter, then you obviously have violated that. I can't imagine you are the only person this has ever happened, to, though. If I were you, I'd ask the writer to re-write the essay, not show it to you, and submit it.

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Re: LOR sent to ME for revisions?!?!?

Postby ph14 » Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:29 pm

ScrabbleChamp wrote:
throwawaythrowaway wrote:hey all..throw away account if ya couldn't tell.

one of my LOR's just emailed me a draft of the letter to revise and add to my liking and then he will send my final edited version to LSAC....this seems like a BIG no-no. Granted, the letter he sent is what I had pictured and I don't think there is anything to revise, but I KNOW i will feel guilty seeing this final letter since it should be confidential for transparency purposes.

Does anyone have advice as to how I should handle this? Should I just say oh hey looks good put it on letterhead and send it in? Should I say oh woah hey there buddy no-no now go pretend like this didn't happen?

FWIW i ovi signed the "i will never see this letter" part on the LOR form.

TLS help me out!


Well... the most clear, to me at least, answer is that you can't use that LOR. If you signed the form, waiving your rights to ever see the letter, then you obviously have violated that. I can't imagine you are the only person this has ever happened, to, though. If I were you, I'd ask the writer to re-write the essay, not show it to you, and submit it.


You're allowed to see your letter of recommendation. The waiver you sign waives the right under some act to see the letter of recommendation when you matriculate to the school and it's in your student file. Nothing wrong with seeing the letter. I would probably read it, and then see what you think.

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Re: LOR sent to ME for revisions?!?!?

Postby sach1282 » Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:00 pm

I had a professor do exactly the same thing. I just said, "Yep, looks good!"

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Re: LOR sent to ME for revisions?!?!?

Postby acrossthelake » Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:02 pm

ScrabbleChamp wrote:
Well... the most clear, to me at least, answer is that you can't use that LOR. If you signed the form, waiving your rights to ever see the letter, then you obviously have violated that. I can't imagine you are the only person this has ever happened, to, though. If I were you, I'd ask the writer to re-write the essay, not show it to you, and submit it.


This is incorrect. Check out the FAQ for a lengthier explanation: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=131727

But TL;DR you're fine. Waiver applies for after you enroll.

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Re: LOR sent to ME for revisions?!?!?

Postby throwawaythrowaway » Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:10 pm

acrossthelake wrote:
ScrabbleChamp wrote:
Well... the most clear, to me at least, answer is that you can't use that LOR. If you signed the form, waiving your rights to ever see the letter, then you obviously have violated that. I can't imagine you are the only person this has ever happened, to, though. If I were you, I'd ask the writer to re-write the essay, not show it to you, and submit it.


This is incorrect. Check out the FAQ for a lengthier explanation: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=131727

But TL;DR you're fine. Waiver applies for after you enroll.



Ah! Thanks so much! Should of searched first buuut I was in freak-out mode. I will send him my slight revisions and have a boss LOR.

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Re: LOR sent to ME for revisions?!?!?

Postby ph14 » Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:13 pm

throwawaythrowaway wrote:
acrossthelake wrote:
ScrabbleChamp wrote:
Well... the most clear, to me at least, answer is that you can't use that LOR. If you signed the form, waiving your rights to ever see the letter, then you obviously have violated that. I can't imagine you are the only person this has ever happened, to, though. If I were you, I'd ask the writer to re-write the essay, not show it to you, and submit it.


This is incorrect. Check out the FAQ for a lengthier explanation: http://top-law-schools.com/forums/viewt ... 2&t=131727

But TL;DR you're fine. Waiver applies for after you enroll.



Ah! Thanks so much! Should of searched first buuut I was in freak-out mode. I will send him my slight revisions and have a boss LOR.

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Re: LOR sent to ME for revisions?!?!?

Postby HBK » Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:20 pm

What if your boss tells you to write it and he'll look it over and sign it?

I don't see what the problem is. I mean, he's the one saying its all true. He doesn't have to sign it if you embellish or lie.

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Re: LOR sent to ME for revisions?!?!?

Postby paul34 » Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:46 pm

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Re: LOR sent to ME for revisions?!?!?

Postby HBK » Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:50 pm

paul34 wrote:
HBK wrote:What if your boss tells you to write it and he'll look it over and sign it?

I don't see what the problem is. I mean, he's the one saying its all true. He doesn't have to sign it if you embellish or lie.


This is generally considered to be a no-no.


By whom?

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Re: LOR sent to ME for revisions?!?!?

Postby paul34 » Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:13 am

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Re: LOR sent to ME for revisions?!?!?

Postby throwawaythrowaway » Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:43 am

Yeah, writing the letter for someone is deff not ok.

Normally in this situation I would feel guilty enough... I do think of this situation as an advantage but the one revision I have for him is that he put I held a particular position for 2 years when it was actually 1.

Thanks for everyones input and good luck to all applying this cycle!

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Re: LOR sent to ME for revisions?!?!?

Postby HBK » Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:53 am

paul34 wrote:
HBK wrote:
paul34 wrote:
HBK wrote:What if your boss tells you to write it and he'll look it over and sign it?

I don't see what the problem is. I mean, he's the one saying its all true. He doesn't have to sign it if you embellish or lie.


This is generally considered to be a no-no.


By whom?


Check out the Applicant FAQ posted a few posts up by acrossthelake. Read a few questions down under the "Letters of Recommendation" section.


Okay, so it's not against the rules then.

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Re: LOR sent to ME for revisions?!?!?

Postby thederangedwang » Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:38 am

its not against the rules...but its a no no because its not recommended

hard to write about urself objectively...run into 1 of 3 problems

1) too humble

2) not humble enough

3) its just plain freaking weird writing a LOR for urself....

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Re: LOR sent to ME for revisions?!?!?

Postby vanwinkle » Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:50 am

acrossthelake wrote:
ScrabbleChamp wrote:
Well... the most clear, to me at least, answer is that you can't use that LOR. If you signed the form, waiving your rights to ever see the letter, then you obviously have violated that. I can't imagine you are the only person this has ever happened, to, though. If I were you, I'd ask the writer to re-write the essay, not show it to you, and submit it.


This is incorrect. Check out the FAQ for a lengthier explanation: http://top-law-schools.com/forums/viewt ... 2&t=131727

But TL;DR you're fine. Waiver applies for after you enroll.

Technically I think waiver applies for after the letter is mailed to LSAC. But either way, TITCR.

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Re: LOR sent to ME for revisions?!?!?

Postby AlanShore » Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:45 pm

throwawaythrowaway wrote:Yeah, writing the letter for someone is deff not ok.

Normally in this situation I would feel guilty enough... I do think of this situation as an advantage but the one revision I have for him is that he put I held a particular position for 2 years when it was actually 1.

Thanks for everyones input and good luck to all applying this cycle!

B-school LORs are very commonly written by applicants. Managers often request it because they are so extensive. Obviously MBA apps are a totally different beast so I'm not even sure why I'm mentioning it! Just thought it would be interesting to mention..

I think for the purposes of a LS app, I would feel uncomfortable writing it but I wouldn't mind doing the 1st draft if I were applying to bschool (and my manager asked me to). I guess it says something about the ethics of LS vs Bschool maybe.

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Re: LOR sent to ME for revisions?!?!?

Postby acrossthelake » Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:37 pm

vanwinkle wrote:
acrossthelake wrote:
ScrabbleChamp wrote:
Well... the most clear, to me at least, answer is that you can't use that LOR. If you signed the form, waiving your rights to ever see the letter, then you obviously have violated that. I can't imagine you are the only person this has ever happened, to, though. If I were you, I'd ask the writer to re-write the essay, not show it to you, and submit it.


This is incorrect. Check out the FAQ for a lengthier explanation: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=131727

But TL;DR you're fine. Waiver applies for after you enroll.

Technically I think waiver applies for after the letter is mailed to LSAC. But either way, TITCR.


The longer version is that you're allowed to see the letter if the prof gives it to you...it's just the institution(and LSAC) that is not allowed to show it to you. So in that sense, yes, technically I guess that begins once you've mailed it, but you're always allowed to look at a copy.




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