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Emory or U georgia? George Washington or George Mason

Postby john1990 » Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:27 pm

3.28/166 here

assuming i get into emory/GW would it even make sense to go?

Both U Georgia and George Mason report similar median salaries as their competing schools listed here, but with half the tuition. Although, U Georgia is 90 minutes out of Atlanta and George Mason is 15 minutes out of DC. Do these schools compete with their expensive competitors? One would save $60,000 in tuition over 3 years by choosing the lessor school

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Postby duckmoney » Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:31 pm

john1990 wrote:3.28/166 here

assuming i get into emory/GW would it even make sense to go?

Both U Georgia and George Mason report similar median salaries as their competing schools listed here, but with half the tuition. Although, U Georgia is 90 minutes out of Atlanta and George Mason is 15 minutes out of DC. Do these schools compete with their expensive competitors? One would save $60,000 in tuition over 3 years by choosing the lessor school


Mean salary is a very poor indicator of a school's placement power, because they only account for the salary of a fraction of the class (usually only the top earners). Go to http://www.lawschooltransparency.com for a better idea of employment numbers.

All of the schools you mentioned are regional schools. George Mason and GW both place in DC, and GW has a much better reputation there. Neither would get you to New York.

Both UGA and Emory place into Atlanta, and both have very similar reputations in that city. If cost is an issue, then yes, UGA would probably be better than Emory for Atlanta. If you have other aspirations, Emory has a better reputation in other nearby states (Florida, Alabama, North Carolina, etc.) so it might be worth it to go there.

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Re: Emory or U georgia? George Washington or George Mason

Postby Transferthrowaway » Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:40 pm

The only difference between Emory and UGA is that you are paying substantially more to keep a state school off of your resume. Otherwise, they are equivalent.

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Re: Emory or U georgia? George Washington or George Mason

Postby bigeast03 » Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:41 pm

I personally don't think GW or Mason are worth it at sticker price, given the high cost of living in DC, exceptionally competitive 'home' market, and large tuition. If you are a resident of Virginia, I could understand the logic behind taking Mason over GW at sticker. If you aren't, neither school seems like a good choice.

UGA is a tremendous value if you are a resident, and I wouldn't think twice about choosing them over Emory. Even for a nonresident, I would certainly consider UGA over Emory if that's where you want to practice.

Keep in mind though that this is only considering Law School Transparency and cost of tuition. I don't know much else about any of these schools besides that, so take this with a grain of salt.

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Postby NYC Law » Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:41 pm

john1990 wrote:3.28/166 here

assuming i get into emory/GW would it even make sense to go?

Both U Georgia and George Mason report similar median salaries as their competing schools listed here, but with half the tuition. Although, U Georgia is 90 minutes out of Atlanta and George Mason is 15 minutes out of DC. Do these schools compete with their expensive competitors? One would save $60,000 in tuition over 3 years by choosing the lessor school


Are you sure about getting into GW? Emory maybe, but GW looks like a bit of a stretch.

The difference between George Mason and GW is very large, and GM isn't really a competitor; if you want DC, go to GW.

The difference between Emory and UGA isn't as large though if you want to stay in Atlanta. If you want to work elsewhere in the south though, Emory is a better choice.

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Postby Grizz » Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:51 pm

Transferthrowaway wrote:The only difference between Emory and UGA is that you are paying substantially more to keep a state school off of your resume. Otherwise, they are equivalent.

U mad you didn't get into Emory?

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Postby john1990 » Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:57 pm

Thanks for the link, its good to have multiple sources of info. But, those stats look odd to me, for example they have American U's median salary as 90k one year and 160k the next. Also, why does Hofstra report such high salaries with such a low rank?

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Postby NYC Law » Sat Nov 05, 2011 1:59 pm

john1990 wrote:Thanks for the link, its good to have multiple sources of info. But, those stats look odd to me, for example they have American U's median salary as 90k one year and 160k the next. Also, why does Hofstra report such high salaries with such a low rank?


Don't pay any attention at all to median salaries, those things are a running joke around here. The sample size for those salaries is like 3% of the graduating class at some schools.

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Postby Grizz » Sat Nov 05, 2011 2:01 pm

john1990 wrote:Thanks for the link, its good to have multiple sources of info. But, those stats look odd to me, for example they have American U's median salary as 90k one year and 160k the next. Also, why does Hofstra report such high salaries with such a low rank?

I don't think you're reading those LST graphs correctly.

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Postby john1990 » Sat Nov 05, 2011 2:01 pm

NYC Law wrote:
john1990 wrote:3.28/166 here

assuming i get into emory/GW would it even make sense to go?

Both U Georgia and George Mason report similar median salaries as their competing schools listed here, but with half the tuition. Although, U Georgia is 90 minutes out of Atlanta and George Mason is 15 minutes out of DC. Do these schools compete with their expensive competitors? One would save $60,000 in tuition over 3 years by choosing the lessor school


Are you sure about getting into GW? Emory maybe, but GW looks like a bit of a stretch.

The difference between George Mason and GW is very large, and GM isn't really a competitor; if you want DC, go to GW.

The difference between Emory and UGA isn't as large though if you want to stay in Atlanta. If you want to work elsewhere in the south though, Emory is a better choice.


I haven't been accepted anywhere yet and i know GW is a stretch, this is just a theoretical. But, i will likely practice where i go to school
bigeast- you can get in-state residence for your second and third years, that is how i got the 60k figure, it would be more otherwise

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Re: Emory or U georgia? George Washington or George Mason

Postby JamMasterJ » Sat Nov 05, 2011 2:06 pm

Grizz wrote:
john1990 wrote:Thanks for the link, its good to have multiple sources of info. But, those stats look odd to me, for example they have American U's median salary as 90k one year and 160k the next. Also, why does Hofstra report such high salaries with such a low rank?

I don't think you're reading those LST graphs correctly.

the LST graphs kinda confuse me. For some reason, Chicago has 20% above 160k, 20% at 160K, 20% at 160K and 20% below 160K. Why are there three different sections for the same salary and how does the "below 160K" section have exactly the same percentage of people as all the other ones? I feel like I'm reading this wrong

ETA: that 4th section should be = to or less than 160K. But it's still confusing me

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Postby Transferthrowaway » Sat Nov 05, 2011 2:08 pm

Grizz wrote:
Transferthrowaway wrote:The only difference between Emory and UGA is that you are paying substantially more to keep a state school off of your resume. Otherwise, they are equivalent.

U mad you didn't get into Emory?


I ain't even mad bro. (I did)

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Postby NYC Law » Sat Nov 05, 2011 2:11 pm

JamMasterJ wrote:
Grizz wrote:
john1990 wrote:Thanks for the link, its good to have multiple sources of info. But, those stats look odd to me, for example they have American U's median salary as 90k one year and 160k the next. Also, why does Hofstra report such high salaries with such a low rank?

I don't think you're reading those LST graphs correctly.

the LST graphs kinda confuse me. For some reason, Chicago has 20% above 160k, 20% at 160K, 20% at 160K and 20% below 160K. Why are there three different sections for the same salary and how does the "below 160K" section have exactly the same percentage of people as all the other ones? I feel like I'm reading this wrong

ETA: that 4th section should be = to or less than 160K. But it's still confusing me


It does the math with the percentiles. Pretty much all the top 14 has 75th, median, and 25th percentile salaries at 160k, so LST doesn't provide much for that breakdown..
But say you have a school that reports a 75th of 160k, median of 100k, and 25th of 50k

So you'd know that say 20% of the class (or whatever the percentile is for that school) makes over 160k, 20% makes between 100k and 160k, 20% makes between 50k and 100k, and 20% makes 50k or less

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Postby eandy » Sat Nov 05, 2011 2:14 pm

George Mason is super stingy with scholly $$.

UGA is NOT equal to Emory. It is really close, but NOT equal. Do you want to work in Georgia? No? Want to work in South Carolina or Florida? No? You should probably go to Emory if one of those two. If not, UGA is fine and maybe the better choice. Want to work in a big firm? Emory might edge out. Public interest? Go to UGA. Trial lawyer? Go to UGA.

I love UGA but it is not for every career goal.

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Re: Emory or U georgia? George Washington or George Mason

Postby JamMasterJ » Sat Nov 05, 2011 2:17 pm

NYC Law wrote:
JamMasterJ wrote:
Grizz wrote:
john1990 wrote:Thanks for the link, its good to have multiple sources of info. But, those stats look odd to me, for example they have American U's median salary as 90k one year and 160k the next. Also, why does Hofstra report such high salaries with such a low rank?

I don't think you're reading those LST graphs correctly.

the LST graphs kinda confuse me. For some reason, Chicago has 20% above 160k, 20% at 160K, 20% at 160K and 20% below 160K. Why are there three different sections for the same salary and how does the "below 160K" section have exactly the same percentage of people as all the other ones? I feel like I'm reading this wrong

ETA: that 4th section should be = to or less than 160K. But it's still confusing me


It does the math with the percentiles. Pretty much all the top 14 has 75th, median, and 25th percentile salaries at 160k, so LST doesn't provide much for that breakdown..
But say you have a school that reports a 75th of 160k, median of 100k, and 25th of 50k

So you'd know that say 20% of the class (or whatever the percentile is for that school) makes over 160k, 20% makes between 100k and 160k, 20% makes between 50k and 100k, and 20% makes 50k or less

I don't think we're on the same page. Look at UChicago's clearinghouse page. it says something along the lines of 20.63% are greater than or equal to 160K, 20.63% are between 160K and 160K, 20.63% (again) are between 160K and 160K, and 20.63% are less than or equal to 160K.
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Postby Transferthrowaway » Sat Nov 05, 2011 2:18 pm

eandy wrote:George Mason is super stingy with scholly $$.

UGA is NOT equal to Emory. It is really close, but NOT equal. Do you want to work in Georgia? No? Want to work in South Carolina or Florida? No? You should probably go to Emory if one of those two. If not, UGA is fine and maybe the better choice. Want to work in a big firm? Emory might edge out. Public interest? Go to UGA. Trial lawyer? Go to UGA.

I love UGA but it is not for every career goal.

Fine, they aren't perfect substitutes. But the slight difference in opportunity between the two schools does not account for the massive difference in tuition.

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Postby NYC Law » Sat Nov 05, 2011 2:24 pm

JamMasterJ wrote:I don't think we're on the same page. Look at UChicago's clearinghouse page. it says something along the lines of 20.63% are greater than or equal to 160K, 20.63% are between 160K and 160K, 20.63% (again) are between 160K and 160K, and 20.63% are less than or equal to 160K.
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Trust me, I'm very familiar with this data.
All that means is Chicagos:
25th Percentile Starting Salary = $160k
Median Starting Salary = $160k
75th Percentile Starting Salary = $160k

The 20.63% figure comes from Chicago reporting 82.52% employed in the private sector after graduation.
You divide the 82.52 into 4 quartiles, which gives the 20.63% figure.
From there you just apply to quartiles to the percentile salaries they give.

Thus,
You know for a fact 20.63% of the class makes: 160k, 20.63% of the class makes between (75th-median), which is 160k and 160k, 20.63% of the class makes between the 25th and median, which is between 160k and 160k, and 20.63% of the class makes 160k or less. That doesn't mean that 20.63 of the class definitely makes below 160k, all it means is up to 20.63% of the class makes below 160k, but no more. Again, the data has more meaning when the 25th, median, and 75th salaries aren't all the same.

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Postby Bildungsroman » Sat Nov 05, 2011 2:25 pm

If you get a scholarship offer from George Mason, read the fine print. Other TLS users have reported their GMU scholarships coming with a stipulation that you place in the top 1/4 to be able to renew it. This is a shitty, heinous TTT shithole move and you should never, under literally any circumstances, take a scholarship with so severe a stipulation.

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Postby JamMasterJ » Sat Nov 05, 2011 2:31 pm

NYC Law wrote:
JamMasterJ wrote:I don't think we're on the same page. Look at UChicago's clearinghouse page. it says something along the lines of 20.63% are greater than or equal to 160K, 20.63% are between 160K and 160K, 20.63% (again) are between 160K and 160K, and 20.63% are less than or equal to 160K.
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Trust me, I'm very familiar with this data.
All that means is Chicagos:
25th Percentile Starting Salary = $160k
Median Starting Salary = $160k
75th Percentile Starting Salary = $160k

The 20.63% figure comes from Chicago reporting 82.52% employed in the private sector after graduation.
You divide the 82.52 into 4 quartiles, which gives the 20.63% figure.
From there you just apply to quartiles to the percentile salaries they give.

Thus,
You know for a fact 20.63% of the class makes: 160k, 20.63% of the class makes between (75th-median), which is 160k and 160k, 20.63% of the class makes between the 25th and median, which is between 160k and 160k, and 20.63% of the class makes 160k or less. That doesn't mean that 20.63 of the class definitely makes below 160k, all it means is up to 20.63% of the class makes below 160k, but no more. Again, the data has more meaning when the 25th, median, and 75th salaries aren't all the same.

I understand that a lot better, thanks dude. So basically,we know that 61.89 percent of UChi grads made 160K and 20.63 made an undetermined salary that could range from 160K down?

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Postby top30man » Sat Nov 05, 2011 2:32 pm

Bildungsroman wrote:If you get a scholarship offer from George Mason, read the fine print. Other TLS users have reported their GMU scholarships coming with a stipulation that you place in the top 1/4 to be able to renew it. This is a shitty, heinous TTT shithole move and you should never, under literally any circumstances, take a scholarship with so severe a stipulation.

This. GMU is stingy and attaches stips. In addition, pretty poor job prospects due to being the seventh-banana in DC. You have HYS, UVA, GULC, GW and top kids from the rest of the t14 competing for the DC market. GMU's LST graph is sketchy.

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Postby NYC Law » Sat Nov 05, 2011 2:36 pm

JamMasterJ wrote:
NYC Law wrote:
JamMasterJ wrote:I don't think we're on the same page. Look at UChicago's clearinghouse page. it says something along the lines of 20.63% are greater than or equal to 160K, 20.63% are between 160K and 160K, 20.63% (again) are between 160K and 160K, and 20.63% are less than or equal to 160K.
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Trust me, I'm very familiar with this data.
All that means is Chicagos:
25th Percentile Starting Salary = $160k
Median Starting Salary = $160k
75th Percentile Starting Salary = $160k

The 20.63% figure comes from Chicago reporting 82.52% employed in the private sector after graduation.
You divide the 82.52 into 4 quartiles, which gives the 20.63% figure.
From there you just apply to quartiles to the percentile salaries they give.

Thus,
You know for a fact 20.63% of the class makes: 160k, 20.63% of the class makes between (75th-median), which is 160k and 160k, 20.63% of the class makes between the 25th and median, which is between 160k and 160k, and 20.63% of the class makes 160k or less. That doesn't mean that 20.63 of the class definitely makes below 160k, all it means is up to 20.63% of the class makes below 160k, but no more. Again, the data has more meaning when the 25th, median, and 75th salaries aren't all the same.

I understand that a lot better, thanks dude. So basically,we know that 61.89 percent of UChi grads made 160K and 20.63 made an undetermined salary that could range from 160K down?


Yep. For all we know only 1% of the class can make <160k. It just can't be determined from the data provided.

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Postby law4vus » Sat Nov 05, 2011 2:38 pm

If you do get into GW, you'll get in at sticker. Please don't do that to yourself. I'm regretting it every day.

But I don't think you'll get in. I had the same-ish GPA and a 167 and I had to ride the WL into July. At least I was at one median. Seriously consider a place that will give you more money. GW really isn't worth it.

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Postby Transferthrowaway » Sat Nov 05, 2011 2:41 pm

law4vus wrote:If you do get into GW, you'll get in at sticker. Please don't do that to yourself. I'm regretting it every day.

But I don't think you'll get in. I had the same-ish GPA and a 167 and I had to ride the WL into July. At least I was at one median. Seriously consider a place that will give you more money. GW really isn't worth it.


Plus your law review passes bylaws/rules that make them look like ultimate weaksauce.

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Postby JamMasterJ » Sat Nov 05, 2011 2:42 pm

NYC Law wrote:
JamMasterJ wrote:
NYC Law wrote:
JamMasterJ wrote:I don't think we're on the same page. Look at UChicago's clearinghouse page. it says something along the lines of 20.63% are greater than or equal to 160K, 20.63% are between 160K and 160K, 20.63% (again) are between 160K and 160K, and 20.63% are less than or equal to 160K.
--LinkRemoved-- link probably won't work


Trust me, I'm very familiar with this data.
All that means is Chicagos:
25th Percentile Starting Salary = $160k
Median Starting Salary = $160k
75th Percentile Starting Salary = $160k

The 20.63% figure comes from Chicago reporting 82.52% employed in the private sector after graduation.
You divide the 82.52 into 4 quartiles, which gives the 20.63% figure.
From there you just apply to quartiles to the percentile salaries they give.

Thus,
You know for a fact 20.63% of the class makes: 160k, 20.63% of the class makes between (75th-median), which is 160k and 160k, 20.63% of the class makes between the 25th and median, which is between 160k and 160k, and 20.63% of the class makes 160k or less. That doesn't mean that 20.63 of the class definitely makes below 160k, all it means is up to 20.63% of the class makes below 160k, but no more. Again, the data has more meaning when the 25th, median, and 75th salaries aren't all the same.

I understand that a lot better, thanks dude. So basically,we know that 61.89 percent of UChi grads made 160K and 20.63 made an undetermined salary that could range from 160K down?


Yep. For all we know only 1% of the class can make <160k. It just can't be determined from the data provided.

thanks

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Postby Grizz » Sat Nov 05, 2011 2:44 pm

Transferthrowaway wrote:
law4vus wrote:If you do get into GW, you'll get in at sticker. Please don't do that to yourself. I'm regretting it every day.

But I don't think you'll get in. I had the same-ish GPA and a 167 and I had to ride the WL into July. At least I was at one median. Seriously consider a place that will give you more money. GW really isn't worth it.


Plus your law review passes bylaws/rules that make them look like ultimate weaksauce.

'splain?




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