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Asian American representation at YHSColumbia

Postby prospect2014 » Sat Oct 29, 2011 8:57 pm

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Re: Asian American representation at YHSColumbia

Postby kwais » Sat Oct 29, 2011 9:09 pm

completely anecdotally, Columbia has a ton of asian americans. a ton

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Re: Asian American representation at YHSColumbia

Postby Kabuo » Sat Oct 29, 2011 9:14 pm

Just so you know, this thread is going to end up about AA.

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Re: Asian American representation at YHSColumbia

Postby acrossthelake » Sat Oct 29, 2011 9:18 pm

prospect2014 wrote:
1. Whether someone can cite roughly the percentage of students who are Asian American in HYSColumbia in the most recent series of any number of consecutive years.
2. "..." the same percentage among applicants, who might not necessarily be accepted, who submit applications to HYSColumbia law schools.
3. Any statistics telling of how Asian Americans perform on the LSAT.
4. Whether Asian Americans can be said to face an LSAT penalty, or to be held to a higher standard.


1. Don't know.
2. Don't know.
3. Well.

Caucasians have comprised the largest percentage of test takers. African American test takers and Asian/Pacific Islander test takers, respectively, have been the next largest subgroups in terms of percentages.
Average LSAT scores have been highest for Caucasian and Asian/Pacific Islander test takers. African American test takers and Puerto Rican test takers have had the lowest mean LSAT scores.

-http://lsac.org/LsacResources/Research/TR/TR-10-03.asp

4. There doesn't seem to be a penalty at the law school level. Asian Americans seem to have cycles consistent with being Caucasian (with similar softs, numbers, etc.)


You can basically find most of it here: http://lsac.org/LsacResources/Research/ ... eports.asp

And if this devolves into an AA discussion, I will lock and ban according to our policy.

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Re: Asian American representation at YHSColumbia

Postby Flash » Sat Oct 29, 2011 9:24 pm

What the fuck kind of bullshit Columbia trolling is this?

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Re: Asian American representation at YHSColumbia

Postby redsoxfan2495 » Sat Oct 29, 2011 9:27 pm

http://www.law.columbia.edu/jd_applicants/admissions/classprofile

This years incoming class at CLS is 21% Asian.

EDIT: Couldn't find anything about Y. H and S only list percentages for "students of color." They are 37, 34 respectively.

Also, what's with the gender distribution at S? 106/180 incoming students are guys.
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Re: Asian American representation at YHSColumbia

Postby Xifeng » Sat Oct 29, 2011 9:35 pm

redsoxfan2495 wrote:http://www.law.columbia.edu/jd_applicants/admissions/classprofile

This years incoming class at CLS is 21% Asian.


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Re: Asian American representation at YHSColumbia

Postby Tiago Splitter » Sat Oct 29, 2011 9:51 pm

According to the last US News rankings, YHSC were 13%, 5%, 10% and 16% Asian, respectively.

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Re: Asian American representation at YHSColumbia

Postby Curious1 » Sat Oct 29, 2011 10:28 pm

Tiago Splitter wrote:According to the last US News rankings, YHSC were 13%, 5%, 10% and 16% Asian, respectively.


Ouch. 5% at H???

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Re: Asian American representation at YHSColumbia

Postby Tiago Splitter » Sat Oct 29, 2011 10:45 pm

Curious1 wrote:
Tiago Splitter wrote:According to the last US News rankings, YHSC were 13%, 5%, 10% and 16% Asian, respectively.


Ouch. 5% at H???


They also list 7.5% as Pacific Islander which is way higher than the other three schools.

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Re: Asian American representation at YHSColumbia

Postby Curious1 » Sat Oct 29, 2011 10:46 pm

Tiago Splitter wrote:
Curious1 wrote:
Tiago Splitter wrote:According to the last US News rankings, YHSC were 13%, 5%, 10% and 16% Asian, respectively.


Ouch. 5% at H???


They also list 7.5% as Pacific Islander which is way higher than the other three schools.


That's a little confusing...are the Philippines in Asia or are they are Pacific Island? Seems like they're both.

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Re: Asian American representation at YHSColumbia

Postby Hawkeye Pierce » Sat Oct 29, 2011 10:59 pm

Xifeng wrote:
redsoxfan2495 wrote:http://www.law.columbia.edu/jd_applicants/admissions/classprofile

This years incoming class at CLS is 21% Asian.


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NOW I know why you liked CLS so much :mrgreen:

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Re: Asian American representation at YHSColumbia

Postby bk1 » Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:10 pm

If Columbia doesn't give me a raging boner can I too post in this thread?

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Re: Asian American representation at YHSColumbia

Postby Curious1 » Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:11 pm

bk1 wrote:If Columbia doesn't give me a raging boner can I too post in this thread?


What's the Columbia trolling here?

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Re: Asian American representation at YHSColumbia

Postby rayiner » Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:16 pm

Flash wrote:What the fuck kind of bullshit Columbia trolling is this?

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Re: Asian American representation at YHSColumbia

Postby kwais » Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:18 pm

rayiner wrote:
Flash wrote:What the fuck kind of bullshit Columbia trolling is this?


what in the world are you guys crying about?

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Re: Asian American representation at YHSColumbia

Postby redsoxfan2495 » Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:24 pm

kwais wrote:
rayiner wrote:
Flash wrote:What the fuck kind of bullshit Columbia trolling is this?


what in the world are you guys crying about?
They're mad that Columbia was mentioned alongside YHS. It should be noted however that no one in this thread ever tried to claim that Columbia was a peer of YHS.

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Re: Asian American representation at YHSColumbia

Postby prospect2014 » Sun Oct 30, 2011 3:07 am

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Re: Asian American representation at YHSColumbia

Postby Glock » Sun Oct 30, 2011 3:30 am

Asians are thrown into the "not URM" category. There's no boost or penalty (beyond favoritism shown to URM candidates) for being Asian.

Non pacific Islander Asians, like whites, are overrepresented in most law schools.

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Re: Asian American representation at YHSColumbia

Postby prospect2014 » Sun Oct 30, 2011 3:48 am

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Re: Asian American representation at YHSColumbia

Postby Glock » Sun Oct 30, 2011 4:05 am

prospect2014 wrote:
There's no boost or penalty

What evidence suggests there's no penalty?



I recently joined my school's admissions advisory committee and learned a little bit about it. According to our admissions dean, overrepresented applicants are a single pool of consideration. Apparently breaking down the overrepresented categories violates Gratz v. Bollinger as a type of quota or cap-- which are specifically prohibited. You cannot break down the entire student body into desirable racial percentages and then fill those slots with the best available members of the respective races. There's no "lets take the top 20 asian applicants we get to total 10% of the student body, but no more." Doesn't happen.

The way to view AA is that URM candidates can be given a boost to serve narrowly defined diversity interests, but there can be no anti-boost for non-URMs beyond the general effect having an AA program has.

Also, this dean used to be an assistant dean of some kind at HYS. S/he said it was the same there. White/Asian and other overrepresented racial categories are considered basically the same. This is purely testimonial, but I buy it. It isn't in any school's interest to discriminate against Asians.

Something you are faced with is that these detailed statistics are NOT available. You need complete breakdowns of Asian acceptance rates along with LSAT/GPA medians of Asians from each school. That is never going to happen.

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Re: Asian American representation at YHSColumbia

Postby rayiner » Sun Oct 30, 2011 4:39 am

There is no Asian penalty in LS. Indeed, the data until very recently showed Asians getting in with slightly lower numbers than whites.

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Re: Asian American representation at YHSColumbia

Postby shoeshine » Sun Oct 30, 2011 5:18 am

Over Represented Minority

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Re: Asian American representation at YHSColumbia

Postby Glock » Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:10 am

shoeshine wrote:Over Represented Minority



Jews
Asians
Asperger's sufferers
Megalomaniacs

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Re: Asian American representation at YHSColumbia

Postby acrossthelake » Sun Oct 30, 2011 1:24 pm

prospect2014 wrote:
There's no boost or penalty

What evidence suggests there's no penalty?


And even ignoring the whole it's illegal aspect:

1) Admissions is incredibly numbers driven at the law school level in a way that it isn't at the college level. Law schools admissions deans are already strained trying to balance keeping their numbers high (because if they don't, they face being fired), while still admitting lower-scoring URMs(not that all URMs score low, but there is a necessary boost for some) and still being able to admit other random interesting people (those people whose softs actually outweigh their numbers). To then be denying high-scoring Asians on top of that seems a very unnecessary strain and one that would quickly be dispensed with.

2) Unlike the SAT, the average LSAT score of Asians is lower than Caucasians to begin with, so, on a purely numbers-driven basis, they're not likely to end up nearly as over-represented as they are for undergrad.




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