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Re: ITT: Military Veterans

Postby ns2675 » Mon Aug 27, 2012 1:15 am

This is a great thread. I'm glad to see so many veterans getting results in admissions.

I'm applying this year (for Fall 2013 admission), but I'm a little behind the game because I just made up my mind about law school over the summer. Anyways, I got out of the Marine Corps (infantry) as an E-4 in 2009. Served in OIF. I didn't have any college credit when I got out (signed up at 18), so I've been burning my GI Bill up for the past 3 years earning my degree. On the plus side, four years as an enlisted grunt gave me enough motivation to keep my grades up, so my GPA is something like 4.18 on the LSDAS scale. :D One year to go until I get my degree though. I'm taking the LSAT in October, so right now I'm just practicing hard and reading these forums.

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Re: ITT: Military Veterans

Postby SemperLegal » Mon Aug 27, 2012 1:41 am

ns2675 wrote:This is a great thread. I'm glad to see so many veterans getting results in admissions.

I'm applying this year (for Fall 2013 admission), but I'm a little behind the game because I just made up my mind about law school over the summer. Anyways, I got out of the Marine Corps (infantry) as an E-4 in 2009. Served in OIF. I didn't have any college credit when I got out (signed up at 18), so I've been burning my GI Bill up for the past 3 years earning my degree. On the plus side, four years as an enlisted grunt gave me enough motivation to keep my grades up, so my GPA is something like 4.18 on the LSDAS scale. :D One year to go until I get my degree though. I'm taking the LSAT in October, so right now I'm just practicing hard and reading these forums.


Welcome, brother. Its amazing how much CJNC can motivate a man to strive for something better/

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Re: ITT: Military Veterans

Postby JCFindley » Mon Aug 27, 2012 6:42 am

ns2675 wrote:This is a great thread. I'm glad to see so many veterans getting results in admissions.

I'm applying this year (for Fall 2013 admission), but I'm a little behind the game because I just made up my mind about law school over the summer. Anyways, I got out of the Marine Corps (infantry) as an E-4 in 2009. Served in OIF. I didn't have any college credit when I got out (signed up at 18), so I've been burning my GI Bill up for the past 3 years earning my degree. On the plus side, four years as an enlisted grunt gave me enough motivation to keep my grades up, so my GPA is something like 4.18 on the LSDAS scale. :D One year to go until I get my degree though. I'm taking the LSAT in October, so right now I'm just practicing hard and reading these forums.


Welcome and Hoo Rah and all that Marine stuff yall do.

IMO, burning your GI Bill for UG and sitting on a 4.18 is quite an appropriate and efficient use of said bill as you can apply that same study ethic and big brain (4.0's don't come from work ethic alone) to the LSAT you should have a wide range of law schools you can attend that will give you a lot of $$$.

Welcome to the site.

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Re: ITT: Military Veterans

Postby ns2675 » Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:14 pm

Thanks for the welcome and the words of encouragement. I'll probably have questions down the line so I look forward to getting to know you guys.

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Re: ITT: Military Veterans

Postby karich » Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:39 pm

ns2675 wrote:This is a great thread. I'm glad to see so many veterans getting results in admissions.

I'm applying this year (for Fall 2013 admission), but I'm a little behind the game because I just made up my mind about law school over the summer. Anyways, I got out of the Marine Corps (infantry) as an E-4 in 2009. Served in OIF. I didn't have any college credit when I got out (signed up at 18), so I've been burning my GI Bill up for the past 3 years earning my degree. On the plus side, four years as an enlisted grunt gave me enough motivation to keep my grades up, so my GPA is something like 4.18 on the LSDAS scale. :D One year to go until I get my degree though. I'm taking the LSAT in October, so right now I'm just practicing hard and reading these forums.



Brother, you HAVE to kill the LSAT. I expect Yale out of you. Take the LSAT seriously and you're gonna do awesome. Be excited!

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Re: ITT: Military Veterans

Postby Cobretti » Thu Aug 30, 2012 12:26 am

ns2675 wrote:This is a great thread. I'm glad to see so many veterans getting results in admissions.

I'm applying this year (for Fall 2013 admission), but I'm a little behind the game because I just made up my mind about law school over the summer. Anyways, I got out of the Marine Corps (infantry) as an E-4 in 2009. Served in OIF. I didn't have any college credit when I got out (signed up at 18), so I've been burning my GI Bill up for the past 3 years earning my degree. On the plus side, four years as an enlisted grunt gave me enough motivation to keep my grades up, so my GPA is something like 4.18 on the LSDAS scale. :D One year to go until I get my degree though. I'm taking the LSAT in October, so right now I'm just practicing hard and reading these forums.


Oh god why did I waste 2 years in undergrad with crappy grades before enlisting. You are going to kill it, good luck man.

As for me I haven't posted introduced myself in this thread yet... I was a 1A8 in the Air Force (airborne linguist) from '05-'09. Finished up my Undergrad in '10 and I'm finishing my MBA in '13.

Looking to go straight to law school after the MBA. Haven't tested yet but the PTs are going really well, hoping for the best in October.

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Re: ITT: Military Veterans

Postby meshugaat » Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:18 am

mrizza wrote:I was a 1A8 in the Air Force (airborne linguist) from '05-'09


I wonder if we might know each other...

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Re: ITT: Military Veterans

Postby Ex Cearulo » Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:22 pm

Hi all. Fairly new to TLS, but this is one of the best threads I've seen so far. I was surprised to see so many military members on here.

Air Force Captain (ROTC grad '06)
Current A-10 Warthog pilot with about 700 hrs of A-10 time, including about 300 combat hours in OEF.
3.24 UGPA (LSDAS unknown)/ taking the Oct LSAT.

BL, I'm not your typical die-hard fighter pilot who can't imagine doing anything but flying. I've actually wanted to go to law school since I was young. If (and it's a BIG if) the Air Force releases me from the 11F (fighter pilot) career field, I'm going to apply to the Extended Leave Program in the hopes of staying in and serving in the JAG Corps.

Best of luck to all the military out there applying this cycle!

- HD

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Re: ITT: Military Veterans

Postby ksbRambo » Thu Aug 30, 2012 5:14 pm

Have read through this thread and really appreciate all of the information you guys have contributed. Will be applying this fall. Here is a little bit about me:
Army Captain (ROTC)
Currently a Platoon Leader at 3rd Ranger BN
Deployments to OEF with a Special Operations Task Force
3.73 LSDAS
170 LSAT

I'm still trying to narrow down my list of schools so I would love to hear from any current students that are still active on the thread about their experiences. Would also like to hear from all the veterans that are applying this fall how they plan to use their military experience to market themselves to law schools. Personal statements, additional essays, diversity statement, etc. Again, thanks for all the great information.

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Re: ITT: Military Veterans

Postby press » Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:44 pm

Hello everyone,

I am an O-3 F-18 pilot with ~2 years left of service. I'm exploring options, other than continuing to fly, for if I decide to leave the military. My dilemma is that my undergrad GPA is a whopping 2.59. Obviously (at least in my opinion) that isn't representative of the academic work that I am capable of.

My question is what my best course of action is and how much admissions would weight my military service. Should I take the LSAT and if I kill it I'm fine... if I bomb it I'm done? Re-take classes? Become Governor of Texas? FWIW, if anyone has any input on them I'm also looking at MBA / MD options.

Thanks

Edited to correct GPA.
Last edited by press on Fri Aug 31, 2012 12:09 am, edited 2 times in total.

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Re: ITT: Military Veterans

Postby JCFindley » Fri Aug 31, 2012 12:02 am

HawgDriver wrote:Hi all. Fairly new to TLS, but this is one of the best threads I've seen so far. I was surprised to see so many military members on here.

Air Force Captain (ROTC grad '06)
Current A-10 Warthog pilot with about 700 hrs of A-10 time, including about 300 combat hours in OEF.
3.24 UGPA (LSDAS unknown)/ taking the Oct LSAT.

BL, I'm not your typical die-hard fighter pilot who can't imagine doing anything but flying. I've actually wanted to go to law school since I was young. If (and it's a BIG if) the Air Force releases me from the 11F (fighter pilot) career field, I'm going to apply to the Extended Leave Program in the hopes of staying in and serving in the JAG Corps.

Best of luck to all the military out there applying this cycle!

- HD


Cool beans, first other USAF pilot I have seen on here. (We do have a Navy pilot ITT in Rotor.)

I tried a couple times while on AD to go to LS and the JAG but the USAF at the time figured they spent way toooooo much money on me already to let me do such things. Hopefully you will be able to leave the 11F field. I had NO idea what my number was until I started doing nonflying things and people kept asking what my AFSC was; I finally looked it up and was an 11B.

Cool avatar BTW, always loved the Hawg.

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Re: ITT: Military Veterans

Postby Rotor » Fri Aug 31, 2012 12:11 am

press wrote:Hello everyone,

I am an O-3 F-18 pilot with ~2 years left of service. I'm exploring options, other than continuing to fly, for if I decide to leave the military. My dilemma is that my undergrad GPA is a whopping 2.5. Obviously (at least in my opinion) that isn't representative of the academic work that I am capable of.

My question is what my best course of action is and how much admissions would weight my military service. Should I take the LSAT and if I kill it I'm fine... if I bomb it I'm done? Re-take classes? Become Governor of Texas? FWIW, if anyone has any input on them I'm also looking at MBA / MD options.

Thanks
Press, with a 2.6 you are going to be hard pressed to get into a decent school even with your military background. Obviously if you get 175+ things may be different, but the 2.6 will hold you back (even if USNA, which hasn't had the same grade inflation as civilian universities). If you have your BA/BS, you won't be able to change the LSDAS GPA, so you'd be banking everything on a killer LSAT.

Personally, since you are exploring the MBA or MD routes, you don't seem committed to law. The JD market is saturated and some of my classmates from Berkeley (a top 10 school) are still looking for jobs. While you may have GIBill to reduce your debt, you would likely have better job prospects going MBA (and almost certainly if an MD).

That said, as a naval aviator myself, if you decide LS is in your future, let me know and I'll do what I can to help. Care to share your VFA or CVW?

Edit: noted edit of GPA and changed post accordingly. However, the situation/advice isn't changed

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Re: ITT: Military Veterans

Postby press » Fri Aug 31, 2012 12:15 am

Check your PM

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Re: ITT: Military Veterans

Postby JCFindley » Fri Aug 31, 2012 12:19 am

I will get back and chat some more in a couple days but since I am a 1L my posts on here are at a snails pace now. (As they should be.)

Here is a thread on my initial thoughts though. I will work on updating it soon.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=187630

Good luck to the new folks.

and @ Press. While many schools ARE in fact GPA whores, there just aren't that many fighter pilots that apply for LS. My guess is you will find a couple higher end schools that will take you if you do reasonably well on the LSAT. I know being a Bone pilot did a LOT for my app, though I had a lot of other interesting softs in addition to that that helped as well. (My LSAT sucked BTW but my GPA was OK)

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Re: ITT: Military Veterans

Postby Jeffro » Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:26 am

press wrote:Hello everyone,

I am an O-3 F-18 pilot with ~2 years left of service. I'm exploring options, other than continuing to fly, for if I decide to leave the military. My dilemma is that my undergrad GPA is a whopping 2.59. Obviously (at least in my opinion) that isn't representative of the academic work that I am capable of.

My question is what my best course of action is and how much admissions would weight my military service. Should I take the LSAT and if I kill it I'm fine... if I bomb it I'm done? Re-take classes? Become Governor of Texas? FWIW, if anyone has any input on them I'm also looking at MBA / MD options.

Thanks

Edited to correct GPA.

If you have already received your first undergraduate degree, there is nothing to be gained by retaking classes so rule that out, as by my last check LSAC ignores grades received after that for UGPA calculation.

I was in a similar situation. All you can do is rock the LSAT and apply to splitter friendly schools. My speculation is that this years application cycle is really going to shake up the LSAT medians for schools, as applications are way down and schools are poaching their lower-ranked competitors "usual" applicants. If this trend continues there may be more flex room for some applicants like you.

Even though you may still be shut out of the T14 (probably not NU though), you can still land on your feet and then some if you do well enough as a 1L and can interview well during OCI. Employers love it, I can tell you that for sure.

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Re: ITT: Military Veterans

Postby ArmyVeteran » Sat Sep 01, 2012 6:15 pm

Hello everyone,

I have been following the posts on this informative forum for a few years now and have finally decided to post. I need your advice.

I am currently in the process of transitioning from the army to the civilian world after serving a four year term. If everything works out, I will be working for the USPTO as a patent examiner while attending law school part time, using my GI Bill (hopefully will not incur too much additional costs). The following are my stats:

-Passed the PhD Qualifying Examination in Electrical Engineering (EE)
-MSEE with a tuition waiver assistantship from a good state university: GPA 3.75+
-BSEE from a good state university: GPA 2.80 (I started out weak because I was trying to work to support myself but ended up being on two consecutive Dean's list my senior year. I had an average GPA of 3.85+ my last three semesters in undergrad)
-LSAT score: 165
-Passed the Patent Bar examination.
-Passed the FE (Fundamentals of Engineering) Examination.
-Took a IP law certification class at another good state university
-Have one conference publication in EE
-Will be working for the USPTO as a patent examiner

I have the following three questions:

1. Which part-time IP law program can I get into in the greater DC area? I.E. Georgetown, George Washington, University of Maryland, American, George Mason?

2. If I wanted to be a patent attorney at the USPTO (i.e.) federal government in the future, does my school pedigree matter?

3. What is the future job outlook (as far as you can tell) in IP law?

Thank you for any advice and for your time.

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Re: ITT: Military Veterans

Postby JCFindley » Sat Sep 01, 2012 7:37 pm

ArmyVeteran wrote:Hello everyone,


-BSEE from a good state university: GPA 2.80 (I started out weak because I was trying to work to support myself but ended up being on two consecutive Dean's list my senior year. I had an average GPA of 3.85+ my last three semesters in undergrad)
-LSAT score: 165
-Passed the Patent Bar examination.
-Passed the FE (Fundamentals of Engineering) Examination.
-Took a IP law certification class at another good state university
-Have one conference publication in EE
-Will be working for the USPTO as a patent examiner

I have the following three questions:

1. Which part-time IP law program can I get into in the greater DC area? I.E. Georgetown, George Washington, University of Maryland, American, George Mason?

2. If I wanted to be a patent attorney at the USPTO (i.e.) federal government in the future, does my school pedigree matter?

3. What is the future job outlook (as far as you can tell) in IP law?

Thank you for any advice and for your time.


First, the bold, ie, the GPA and LSAT are what matter to admissions and they won't care about the upward trend and later years all that much.

The other stuff may matter.

The veteran status likely WILL matter at least at some schools.

Do you still have the Post 911 GI Bill? That could make a difference in your strategy within the DC area. For instance, MD or GM could be free depending on where you live there. There is a LOT to be said for free school + BAH.

I am not sure how much George Town cares about GPA but I know you have potential to get into GW and they are known for their IP program. (Neither would be free with the GI Bill/YRP if I recall correctly though. That said, I know someone that got good $$$ this cycle at GW with a similar GPA and a 169. You might consider doing a course / self studying and upping the LSAT a little to give you a good chance at free school.

I can't tell you much about Q's 2/3 so will leave that for others.

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Re: ITT: Military Veterans

Postby ArmyVeteran » Sat Sep 01, 2012 8:06 pm

Thank you for the input.

Yes, I do have my entire post 9/11 GI Bill, untouched. I definitely want to use it on IP law school. I am currently studying for my LSATs so I can take it for a higher score. I have no debt, so a little bit of additional cost for getting into a great law program is no bar, especially since I will be going part time and working full time.

I wish I could go back in time and start stronger in college but I cannot. So, the engineering major, upward trend undergrad grades, graduate engineering degree does not add much? Just curious if that background is taken into consideration, since most law school graduates are not eligible to be patent attorneys (practice in front of the USPTO). Does passing the patent bar add anything to the application?

Again, thank you.

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Re: ITT: Military Veterans

Postby JCFindley » Sat Sep 01, 2012 9:00 pm

ArmyVeteran wrote:Thank you for the input.

Yes, I do have my entire post 9/11 GI Bill, untouched. I definitely want to use it on IP law school. I am currently studying for my LSATs so I can take it for a higher score. I have no debt, so a little bit of additional cost for getting into a great law program is no bar, especially since I will be going part time and working full time.

I wish I could go back in time and start stronger in college but I cannot. So, the engineering major, upward trend undergrad grades, graduate engineering degree does not add much? Just curious if that background is taken into consideration, since most law school graduates are not eligible to be patent attorneys (practice in front of the USPTO). Does passing the patent bar add anything to the application?

Again, thank you.


The problem is that law schools only report the LSAT and GPA. A 4.0 basket weaver will be better as far as the USN rankings are concerned than a 3.6 triple major in EE/Physics/mathematics. The other things are not reported either soooooooooo......

OK, they will take ALL of it into consideration but the conventional wisdom is they really only matter when talking about you vs someone with the same numbers. The veteran status IS a soft that matters though, and when they look at the whole picture including all of the package you may end up getting in above your numbers. (I did myself.)

Here is the really good news though; while it may or may not help with admissions it WILL help and help a LOT when it comes job time. Because of the WE, veteran status, other accomplishments you may well be able to get jobs that are considered well beyond the reach of others in your school in your range of grades. So, don't get to upset about how LS admissions work and think towards the end game which is the job market. There you bring a LOT to the table. (Especially true from GULC or GW were the ob prospects are not bad anyway.)

JC

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Re: ITT: Military Veterans

Postby ArmyVeteran » Sat Sep 01, 2012 9:16 pm

Thank you for the detailed reply. I know I am in the right thread when other people know the term "basket weaver" :D

Also, can I kinda count on UM, American and GM from where I stand? Of course you cannot predict, but just from your experience.

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Postby fatduck » Sun Sep 02, 2012 6:27 pm

ArmyVeteran wrote:I have the following three questions:

1. Which part-time IP law program can I get into in the greater DC area? I.E. Georgetown, George Washington, University of Maryland, American, George Mason?

2. If I wanted to be a patent attorney at the USPTO (i.e.) federal government in the future, does my school pedigree matter?

3. What is the future job outlook (as far as you can tell) in IP law?

Thank you for any advice and for your time.

#1: can best be answered by lawschoolnumbers.com, mylsn.info, and other people.

#2: hard to say. i know a few people who worked in the Office of the Solicitor and they went to schools you've never heard of, but they also graduated like 10 years ago. just browsing a couple younger people's linkedins it seems like it's skewed more towards T14+GW these days. then again, there aren't that many patent attorneys at the USPTO, and all the ones i know were examiners first. it's a pretty small and particular sample.

#3: i mean, seems pretty great, right? but i dunno, so did real estate a few years ago. who the hell knows. former patent examiners are a hot commodity, though (for prosecution).

the best advice i can give you: don't apply right now. go work as an examiner for a year or two before doing the part-time law school thing. see how you like it, work on retaking the lsat, and then reevaluate. you might find that being a patent examiner is fucking awesome in comparison to being an attorney.

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Re: ITT: Military Veterans

Postby JCFindley » Sun Sep 02, 2012 6:53 pm

ArmyVeteran wrote:Thank you for the detailed reply. I know I am in the right thread when other people know the term "basket weaver" :D

Also, can I kinda count on UM, American and GM from where I stand? Of course you cannot predict, but just from your experience.


I really can't see you not being accepted a least by one of the three but set your sites on GULC and GW. Just a WAG from anecdotal observations on here this past cycle is you stand a decent shot at GW where you sit right now. Strictly by memory but GM>UM>American when it comes to working in DC. (I would check the job stats though before considering them.)

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Re: ITT: Military Veterans

Postby Ex Cearulo » Tue Sep 04, 2012 6:14 pm

JCFindley wrote:Cool beans, first other USAF pilot I have seen on here. (We do have a Navy pilot ITT in Rotor.)

I tried a couple times while on AD to go to LS and the JAG but the USAF at the time figured they spent way toooooo much money on me already to let me do such things. Hopefully you will be able to leave the 11F field. I had NO idea what my number was until I started doing nonflying things and people kept asking what my AFSC was; I finally looked it up and was an 11B.

Cool avatar BTW, always loved the Hawg.

JC


Thanks, JC. Yeah unfortunately I have a feeling I'm going to run into the same problem. Every single assignment cycle we hear the exact same thing from Big Blue: "The AF needs fighter pilots doing fighter pilot jobs, even if that doesn't mean flying fighters." So i.e. being ALOs, flying Preds, being UPT instructors, etc. While I understand that (they did invest a lot of money in every pilot), the rigidity of the "no career-field release" kills me. They still technically say it's a case-by-case basis, though, so I'm hoping that if my Sq/CC and Gp/CC are on board and pull for me (it's either that or they tell me to pound sand and I immediately achieve black sheep status), there may be a slight glimmer of hope. If not, I've got 6 more years left on my contract before I can get out and go to law school. But then I won't graduate until I'm 37. Ugh.

I can't help but think someone with several years of flight experience, to include combat time, would make an incredible addition to the JAG Corps. Nothing against most of our current JAGs who came straight out of law school - I know several and they're all great people and by all accounts great at what they do - but a JAG who is a former pilot simply brings a whole different perspective to the table that can't be matched. This is particularly true when it comes to advising commanders about LOAC and dealing with things like FEBs and aircraft accident investigations.

Anyway, rant switch - off. 11B, huh? I'm assuming that's bombers? BUFFs or Bones? Did you just ultimately separate and enter law school or are you still in the AF in some capacity while in law school? I'd love to hear your story and that path you took to get to your 1L year.

-HD

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Re: ITT: Military Veterans

Postby Rotor » Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:12 pm

HawgDriver wrote:... the rigidity of the "no career-field release" kills me. They still technically say it's a case-by-case basis, though, so I'm hoping that if my Sq/CC and Gp/CC are on board and pull for me (it's either that or they tell me to pound sand and I immediately achieve black sheep status), there may be a slight glimmer of hope. If not, I've got 6 more years left on my contract before I can get out and go to law school. But then I won't graduate until I'm 37. Ugh.


I know Navy=/=AF, but I do know quite a few unrestricted line/warfare qualified officers who have been given their release despite similar demands on the warfare specialty billets. Hope the same works for you.

As for graduating at 37, don't sweat that too much. If you have your eyes down the road on OCI, your age won't be that big a deal with most firms. I will be a 1st year associate at 46 when I start in October. :shock: And you likely will outperform your grades as far as callbacks and offers go, thanks to your military experience. I landed a v20 in the "impossible" DC market despite being medianish at Berkeley and other vet friends found similar boosts.

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Re: ITT: Military Veterans

Postby JCFindley » Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:53 pm

HawgDriver wrote:
Thanks, JC. Yeah unfortunately I have a feeling I'm going to run into the same problem. Every single assignment cycle we hear the exact same thing from Big Blue: "The AF needs fighter pilots doing fighter pilot jobs, even if that doesn't mean flying fighters." So i.e. being ALOs, flying Preds, being UPT instructors, etc. While I understand that (they did invest a lot of money in every pilot), the rigidity of the "no career-field release" kills me. They still technically say it's a case-by-case basis, though, so I'm hoping that if my Sq/CC and Gp/CC are on board and pull for me (it's either that or they tell me to pound sand and I immediately achieve black sheep status), there may be a slight glimmer of hope. If not, I've got 6 more years left on my contract before I can get out and go to law school. But then I won't graduate until I'm 37. Ugh.


-HD


Yupp, fighter pilot stuff includes some very un-fighter pilot stuff. At least you can actually shoot things with preds now...

Age wise, 37 isn't bad at all. I will be a LOT older than that myself. The areas I am looking into don't care though so better late than never. (And Rotor is my example that has actually been through the process since I am a couple weeks into 1L and know nothing yet.)

HawgDriver wrote:
I can't help but think someone with several years of flight experience, to include combat time, would make an incredible addition to the JAG Corps. Nothing against most of our current JAGs who came straight out of law school - I know several and they're all great people and by all accounts great at what they do - but a JAG who is a former pilot simply brings a whole different perspective to the table that can't be matched. This is particularly true when it comes to advising commanders about LOAC and dealing with things like FEBs and aircraft accident investigations.

-HD


I completely concur but will the brass and AFPC?

HawgDriver wrote:
Anyway, rant switch - off. 11B, huh? I'm assuming that's bombers? BUFFs or Bones? Did you just ultimately separate and enter law school or are you still in the AF in some capacity while in law school? I'd love to hear your story and that path you took to get to your 1L year.

-HD


You asked so here goes but it is long and circuitous and somewhat of a mix between a bad pilot cliche and a couple Dos Gringos songs.

Lets see, first I was a Bone driver. Was either the first or second 2LT to go straight into it. (There is some debate on this.) My call sign is Crack Baby so that we can dispense with the formalities.

The story starts before that though. When I showed up at UG I planned on going directly to LS then walked into the ROTC office one day and asked if I could fly jets. They didn't have a slot but gave me a tech scholarship on the spot. Did well enough in Field Training where I picked my career field.

UPT -> Bones -> UPT as an IP -> PIT at Randolph. While at Randolph there was a C-130 crash in Jackson Whole and the USAF said it was strictly a pilot/crew error accident. I disagreed and thought the way the USAF trained its pilots was flawed and the cause of the crash. Raised concerns as best as an 03 could but got no where until I brought my hypothosis to the Advanced Instrument School CC and he agreed with me, hired me on the spot and I spent the next couple years getting the training program changed via a grass roots effort. While doing this I wrote for Flight Safety Magazine, Torch and a became a contributing editor at IFR Magazine. Used the I don't want to be a Major clause to try and get out and fly Bones for the GANG. USAF didn't let me palace chase to the GANG though and kept me an extra year.....

Got out and was hired by Midwest Airlines. Got bored driving buses and joind the KANG on the side flying Bones. Was going to quit Midwest but Rumsfeld took our Bones away and gave us Tankers. First I tried to go fly Hawgs with Battle Creek. They were going to hire me but couldn't get an IFF slot for years and since I was a bomber puke, I was SOL. So, tried to go be a CRO (officer PJ) but my knee had issues. Sooooooooo, I went back to the airlines and flew tankers.

Still liked the idea of LS but had no way to fund it. Was active in the union at Midwest. I was awarded the national Superior Airmanship Award from ALPA for an incident where we should have died and taken the NJ Devils with us. (Which was my PS BTW.) Was an FFDO in the airlines and helped build a close quarters combat course for transport pilots in the USAF. We did that on our own in the KANG and tried to get it funded nationally but never did get that through.

Then, got outsourced at Midwest and I was DONE with the airlines. Retired as a Major from the KANG and became a mil contractor. The contract was terminated with one week notice for the 20 or so of us laid off. I though, FUCK this working for others and went in and asked the education office how much my GI Bill would pay towards LS. (This was last Dec.) I decided to try it and signed up for the Feb LSAT. Bought LSAT for Dummies looked at it for a few hours the week before the test. Bombed LSAT, (OK, I was above median even taking it cold, but relatively bombed it.)

Applied to several schools on March 15th. Was accepted at the two I would have considered going to and was rejected at some well below those two. FWIW, I DID get in purely based on softs as most URMs at my school have better LSATS and there is only one lower than mine for my school on LSN. I will announce to the world what that LSAT is after I book my first three tests.

Oh, and the cliche, I have three kids, two ex wives that have all my money, am married to a flight attendant and eat Ramen noodles for dinner.

That hurts my head just looking at it all.

My general goal is to either go into criminal defense OR go into a boutique that specializes in aviation law. Big law in general unless it was specifically aviation holds NO interest to me at all but I do reserve the right to change my mind.

And there ya have it.


Signed,

Crack




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