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Re: Veterans Thread

Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 8:20 pm
by NoMalice
Anyone with less than 100% post-9/11 GI Bill have luck renegotiating scholarships as grants? Or have input on the subject?

For example, a 50% scholarship and 50% GI Bill sounds great - except GI Bill is the "last payer," so if the scholarship is dedicated to tuition, GI Bill only covers 50% of the remaining amount after scholarships, even if it's way under the GI Bill state cap. Meaning that if tuition was 10k a year, the 50% scholarship would cover $5,000 and GI Bill would cover $2,500, leaving me $2,500 out of pocket.

If the scholarship was instead a grant and not dedicated to tuition, GI Bill would come in as if I had no scholarship and pay $5,000, then the "grant" would pay the remaining $5,000, and I wouldn't have to take out loans or work during law school.

In some cases the school might be able to significantly reduce the amount of money provided by the scholarship or grant and still result in $0 out of pocket on my end. I see it as a win/win. Anyone have thoughts on this?

I guess the alternative is reenlisting...

Re: Veterans Thread

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:02 am
by dannyswo
NoMalice wrote:Anyone with less than 100% post-9/11 GI Bill have luck renegotiating scholarships as grants? Or have input on the subject?

For example, a 50% scholarship and 50% GI Bill sounds great - except GI Bill is the "last payer," so if the scholarship is dedicated to tuition, GI Bill only covers 50% of the remaining amount after scholarships, even if it's way under the GI Bill state cap. Meaning that if tuition was 10k a year, the 50% scholarship would cover $5,000 and GI Bill would cover $2,500, leaving me $2,500 out of pocket.

If the scholarship was instead a grant and not dedicated to tuition, GI Bill would come in as if I had no scholarship and pay $5,000, then the "grant" would pay the remaining $5,000, and I wouldn't have to take out loans or work during law school.

In some cases the school might be able to significantly reduce the amount of money provided by the scholarship or grant and still result in $0 out of pocket on my end. I see it as a win/win. Anyone have thoughts on this?

I guess the alternative is reenlisting...

What's your source? I don't think you're right. https://benefits.va.gov/BENEFITS/factsh ... l_info.pdf
Your scholarship will be for a dollar amount. 50% GI Bill is 18 of the 36 months of benefits.

Re: Veterans Thread

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:13 am
by dannyswo
Whidbey wrote:Long time lurker, first time poster. Thought I'd introduce myself since I keep coming back to this forum and thread. Thanks to all posters especially MT Cicero for keeping that spreadsheet.

About me. 3.33 Political Science from Washington State University, 157 when I took the LSAT back in 1998 on fairly minimal prep. Single, no kids. 41 years old and just passed the 50 point mark in my 20th year to qualify for my reserve retirement (I miss you already, Tricare Reserve select). Did 11 years active, 9 in the reserves. Navy OCS, EA-6B, T-45, C-40 pilot. Typical instructor quals, combat deployments and decorations. I've got the GI bill (actually paid the 100 bucks a month into the old one when back when I joined in 1998). Also have a service connected disability rating in excess of 20%.

I've been flying at a major airline for the last 7 years and now have the seniority to bid short trips, drop, and trade my schedule in order to attend Law school (or to just travel and surf). Continuing my airline career in a priority as it truly is a dream job. Great pay, great flexibility, and great time off. Believe it or not I do know several guys who have done law school while flying for an airline.

Because of my ties to Seattle and the northwest, it looks like Seattle U or bust as I don't have the grades for UW. My airline has major hubs in Seattle, LA, NYC, Atlanta, Minneapolis, and Salt Lake. I'd say that I might consider bidding to a different base but I just don't see having the numbers to get into a program that would justify leaving the beautiful Pacific Northwest, especially given that this is where I'd want to practice.

So you're probably asking, why is this fool thinking about law school? My old man wanted to fly jets but was colorblind, so he joined the Army Reserves and went to law school instead. He's had a fantastic legal career as a JAG in the reserves, a great private practice, and is currently serving as a judge. I saw first hand how he was able to leverage a legal education into helping people and serving the community. Sounds cheesy I'm sure and I'm not trying to write a personal statement on here, just saying how proud I am of what my dad was able to do.

When I graduated college an eternity ago I applied and was accepted to Gonazaga law, but also passed the flight physical and got my pilot slot at OCS. All the guys in my dad's firm at the time said go fly jets, you can always come back and do law school later. Well here I am, still thinking law school is something I'd enjoy, and that in spite of all the negativity on this forum (not this thread), It's worth pursuing.

A few questions... Any insight on what I'd need to to (other than the obvious of putting in the work through the next 9 months on LSAT prep) to be a strong applicant to Seattle U? Also, they have a limited number of yellow ribbon slots, and they say they are first come first serve. Anyone know how many semesters you'd likely have to knock out before being covered by yellow ribbon?

I'm inviting any and all spears to my plans.

I'd also like to offer my assistance to anyone interested in pursuing flying, whether civilian or military. If I had a nickle for every person who said "I always wanted to do that." I've mentored a number of people into civilian flying, active duty flying gigs, and also towards guard and reserve flying gigs, which will give age waivers.

Thanks all.

Whidbey

Yellow Ribbon is everyone at my school, as far as I can tell. There are only a handful of vets. I suspect you'd get it right away.
I only studied for a month for the LSAT. I think it might be worth taking the next LSAT, and then taking a second one, rather than spend the time studying. My thinking is that the X $ you'd spend for the second test is a better used of time/money. Also, if you score high enough you'll qualify for school + scholarship the first time around and save months of studying.
BT BT
OCS in 97, did a PAC NW CVN a while back.

Re: Veterans Thread

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:26 pm
by Kirbaeus
dannyswo wrote:
NoMalice wrote:Anyone with less than 100% post-9/11 GI Bill have luck renegotiating scholarships as grants? Or have input on the subject?

For example, a 50% scholarship and 50% GI Bill sounds great - except GI Bill is the "last payer," so if the scholarship is dedicated to tuition, GI Bill only covers 50% of the remaining amount after scholarships, even if it's way under the GI Bill state cap. Meaning that if tuition was 10k a year, the 50% scholarship would cover $5,000 and GI Bill would cover $2,500, leaving me $2,500 out of pocket.

If the scholarship was instead a grant and not dedicated to tuition, GI Bill would come in as if I had no scholarship and pay $5,000, then the "grant" would pay the remaining $5,000, and I wouldn't have to take out loans or work during law school.

In some cases the school might be able to significantly reduce the amount of money provided by the scholarship or grant and still result in $0 out of pocket on my end. I see it as a win/win. Anyone have thoughts on this?

I guess the alternative is reenlisting...

What's your source? I don't think you're right. https://benefits.va.gov/BENEFITS/factsh ... l_info.pdf
Your scholarship will be for a dollar amount. 50% GI Bill is 18 of the 36 months of benefits.


OP is right, I just went through this. I received a $14k scholarship amount and the GI Bill is the last payer. I have a 50% post-9/11 GI Bill rating.

Tuition is $23,000 or so per semester - $7,000 from my scholarship = $16,000 total. GI Bill paid $8,000 so I paid the $8k out of pocket.

If I had it as a grant: $23,000 - $11,500 from the GI Bill (50%). Results in $11,500 - $7,000 in scholarships = $4,500 out of pocket. It sucks, but I had to pay the larger amount. Maybe I can negotiate for next semester.

Re: Veterans Thread

Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:53 am
by dannyswo
Man, that’s odd as hell.

Re: Veterans Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 2:28 pm
by rockosmodernlife
Has anyone had any luck getting the GI Bill (post 9/11) to pay for bar prep classes/get BAH while studying?

Re: Veterans Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 2:29 pm
by Wipfelder
rockosmodernlife wrote:Has anyone had any luck getting the GI Bill (post 9/11) to pay for bar prep classes/get BAH while studying?


Bar prep isn't covered (the VA explicitly says so), but the bar exam is.