Oct LSAT score needed to break T14?

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Oct LSAT score needed to break T14?

Postby westinghouse60 » Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:53 am

Well I'm a week away from the October retake of my June 167. I think I have a good chance at some T30/T40 regional schools with in state tuition/$$ with my current score, but due the the influence of TLS I decided to retake in hope of getting into some T14s lol. My PTs have gone extremely well (~173, big improvement over my pre June PTing) and my score in June ended up being almost exactly my PT average, so that seems encouraging.

I originally thought I'd probably get in at MV (probably no P) with 170, an early app, and ED, or Cornell with the same conditions (but obviously no ED), since it seems to be the consensus that 3.0/170 or better gives someone a solid shot at UVA with ED. Lately however, I've started worrying though that I might need >170; the rest of my app isn't particularly strong. I've looked at LSN and LSP, and which is kind of what has started me worrying, as there are some mixed results for splitters on LSN with numbers better than mine.

So I guess my question is, what do I need to get to be relatively safe to get in at Cornell/MVP? Also, although conventional TLS wisdom is for splitters to ED to UVA, it seems like Michigan is just as splitter friendly. Would I have a better chance at one vs. the other? (Ofc this wouldn't be my only factor in picking one to ED to).

I know this is borderline "come back when you have a real score" material, which is why I posted here instead of "what are my chances?" I'm pretty confident I'll get at least 170 in Oct (have only gotten below a 170 on one of my last 20 PTs), but my question is more of what would be enough to get in to the schools I mentioned relatively safely?

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Re: Oct LSAT score needed to break T14?

Postby JamMasterJ » Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:56 am

GPA is 3.0 right?
If so, 171 prob for V ED or M. 170 maybe for G, C. N with WE would be 170-171. You probably need about a 171 to be sure. 170 would be very borderline

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Re: Oct LSAT score needed to break T14?

Postby westinghouse60 » Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:59 am

JamMasterJ wrote:GPA is 3.0 right?
If so, 171 prob for V ED or M. 170 maybe for G, C. N with WE would be 170-171. You probably need about a 171 to be sure. 170 would be very borderline


Oops, its actually 3.39, was in the thread title but I deleted it. I don't have any WE so Northwestern is probably out of the question.

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Re: Oct LSAT score needed to break T14?

Postby JamMasterJ » Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:02 am

westinghouse60 wrote:
JamMasterJ wrote:GPA is 3.0 right?
If so, 171 prob for V ED or M. 170 maybe for G, C. N with WE would be 170-171. You probably need about a 171 to be sure. 170 would be very borderline


Oops, its actually 3.39, was in the thread title but I deleted it. I don't have any WE so Northwestern is probably out of the question.

UVA ED would be pretty safe at 171, but possible at 170. M could be a 15K/yr scholarship with a 171. If you get 171, I would not ED anywhere b/c M could give you money, as could several lower T14s. If 170, I'd just RD everywhere except UVA and if things start looking not so hot, do UVA ED b/c of the fast turnaround

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Re: Oct LSAT score needed to break T14?

Postby SisterRayVU » Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:47 am

JamMasterJ wrote:GPA is 3.0 right?
If so, 171 prob for V ED or M. 170 maybe for G, C. N with WE would be 170-171. You probably need about a 171 to be sure. 170 would be very borderline


Seems like GULC is 'safe' with a 172 in that on LSN, the worst that's happened with that score or better is a WL and it looks like a lot get in off it. The only rejections with a reasonable GPA (3 or better) and 172+ were apps late in cycle. Do you really think a 171/3.0 gets in ED at UVA? I'm hoping to break 170 in Oct and I'm EDing there, but I'm not all that optimistic. Also applying EA at Cornell but I can't predict too much about them just because their GPA medians are high. :/

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Re: Oct LSAT score needed to break T14?

Postby Tiago Splitter » Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:23 am

SisterRayVU wrote:
Do you really think a 171/3.0 gets in ED at UVA?


Yes.

OP, 170 is the magic number to get into any T-14. To feel confident you'll get into a specific one from MVP on down I'd say 171.

Also, spend some time visiting schools in October/November. Eding somewhere just because it's in the T-14 isn't worth it if you hate the place.

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Re: Oct LSAT score needed to break T14?

Postby DonnaDraper » Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:37 am

Tiago Splitter wrote:
SisterRayVU wrote:
Do you really think a 171/3.0 gets in ED at UVA?


Yes.

OP, 170 is the magic number to get into any T-14. To feel confident you'll get into a specific one from MVP on down I'd say 171.

Also, spend some time visiting schools in October/November. Eding somewhere just because it's in the T-14 isn't worth it if you hate the place.


+1. I always find it funny how people on TLS are like ED UVA! They have the fastest ED turn-around and friendly to splitters! I understand the appeal obvs, but I once read this thread where the OP said his first choice was Michigan, and then someone was like "ED to UVA, they have a quick turnaround, and if it does not work out, then ED to Michigan." .....? First choice as backup to UVA?

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Re: Oct LSAT score needed to break T14?

Postby westinghouse60 » Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:47 am

Tiago Splitter wrote:
SisterRayVU wrote:
Do you really think a 171/3.0 gets in ED at UVA?


Yes.

OP, 170 is the magic number to get into any T-14. To feel confident you'll get into a specific one from MVP on down I'd say 171.

Also, spend some time visiting schools in October/November. Eding somewhere just because it's in the T-14 isn't worth it if you hate the place.
DonnaDraper wrote:
Tiago Splitter wrote:
SisterRayVU wrote:
Do you really think a 171/3.0 gets in ED at UVA?


Yes.

OP, 170 is the magic number to get into any T-14. To feel confident you'll get into a specific one from MVP on down I'd say 171.

Also, spend some time visiting schools in October/November. Eding somewhere just because it's in the T-14 isn't worth it if you hate the place.


+1. I always find it funny how people on TLS are like ED UVA! They have the fastest ED turn-around and friendly to splitters! I understand the appeal obvs, but I once read this thread where the OP said his first choice was Michigan, and then someone was like "ED to UVA, they have a quick turnaround, and if it does not work out, then ED to Michigan." .....? First choice as backup to UVA?


Well really right now I don't know enough to decide between which of the two I would ED to, so yeah, a visit to each would probably be in order if I do break 170. Lol, just thinking about the 170 and visit is exciting.

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Re: Oct LSAT score needed to break T14?

Postby UnamSanctam » Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:55 am

Tiago Splitter wrote:
SisterRayVU wrote:
Do you really think a 171/3.0 gets in ED at UVA?


Yes.

OP, 170 is the magic number to get into any T-14. To feel confident you'll get into a specific one from MVP on down I'd say 171.

Also, spend some time visiting schools in October/November. Eding somewhere just because it's in the T-14 isn't worth it if you hate the place.


Ehh, idk. A 3.39/171, even ED, is a crapshoot for Michigan. It's different for UVA, though. I would feel confident there.

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Re: Oct LSAT score needed to break T14?

Postby Robespierre » Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:57 am

Your GPA will be below the 25th percentile for most T14s; you have no WE; and you say the rest of your app "isn't particularly strong." So for RD admissions I think you'll need to be ABOVE the 75th percentile for LSAT. Using the latest available figures, that means at least 170 for Cornell, at least 173 for GULC, etc. Just find the 75th %ile figure for each school from the ABA data and add one.

You're a classic case of someone who should use the ED bullet to get a boost. And the T14 schools with a demonstrated, very consistent record of accepting mild splitters on an ED basis are Northwestern and Virginia. Since you have no WE, the choice is UVa, and I think 170 will do it based on LSN precedent.

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Re: Oct LSAT score needed to break T14?

Postby UnamSanctam » Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:00 am

Robespierre wrote: And the T14 schools with a demonstrated, very consistent record of accepting mild splitters on an ED basis are Northwestern and Virginia.


For the record, Northwestern just unveiled their new ED program. ED's now get 50k scholly per year (150k). Likely means that more splitters will be accepted RD than ED now, especially splitters with just over the 75th% LSAT.

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Re: Oct LSAT score needed to break T14?

Postby westinghouse60 » Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:16 am

UnamSanctam wrote:
Tiago Splitter wrote:
SisterRayVU wrote:
Do you really think a 171/3.0 gets in ED at UVA?


Yes.

OP, 170 is the magic number to get into any T-14. To feel confident you'll get into a specific one from MVP on down I'd say 171.

Also, spend some time visiting schools in October/November. Eding somewhere just because it's in the T-14 isn't worth it if you hate the place.


Ehh, idk. A 3.39/171, even ED, is a crapshoot for Michigan. It's different for UVA, though. I would feel confident there.


I'd be below 25th GPA and at 75th LSAT for both, so is this because UVA's ED "boost" is bigger or they're just more friendly towards splitters?

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Re: Oct LSAT score needed to break T14?

Postby UnamSanctam » Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:21 am

westinghouse60 wrote:
UnamSanctam wrote:
Tiago Splitter wrote:
SisterRayVU wrote:
Do you really think a 171/3.0 gets in ED at UVA?


Yes.

OP, 170 is the magic number to get into any T-14. To feel confident you'll get into a specific one from MVP on down I'd say 171.

Also, spend some time visiting schools in October/November. Eding somewhere just because it's in the T-14 isn't worth it if you hate the place.


Ehh, idk. A 3.39/171, even ED, is a crapshoot for Michigan. It's different for UVA, though. I would feel confident there.


I'd be below 25th GPA and at 75th LSAT for both, so is this because UVA's ED "boost" is bigger or they're just more friendly towards splitters?


UVA made reputation for accepting an astounding amount of 3.0+/171+ ED applicants. In my opinion, there is a more significant ED bump for UVA than Michigan for sure (bad news for me, since I want Michigan).

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Re: Oct LSAT score needed to break T14?

Postby minnbills » Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:28 am

Yeah a 171+ will probably do the trick for you. You mentioned T30/40s, but why are you discounting T25s/20s etc? Your current numbers put you in that strata IMO.

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Postby Tiago Splitter » Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:02 pm

UnamSanctam wrote:Ehh, idk. A 3.39/171, even ED, is a crapshoot for Michigan. It's different for UVA, though. I would feel confident there.


Fair point. I suppose the level of confidence varies from school to school. Hell, you could score a 180 and have zero confidence at UVA RD.

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Postby westinghouse60 » Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:29 pm

minnbills wrote:Yeah a 171+ will probably do the trick for you. You mentioned T30/40s, but why are you discounting T25s/20s etc? Your current numbers put you in that strata IMO.


I've thought about some T20/25s, but I'm unlikely to get money from any of them with my current numbers, so it would be hard to justify paying sticker there over UNC w/ in state, or a few others I could probably get money from like Wake etc. With 170+ that might change, although I haven't given much thought to T14 at sticker vs 20/25s with $$.

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Re: Oct LSAT score needed to break T14?

Postby minnbills » Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:42 pm

westinghouse60 wrote:
minnbills wrote:Yeah a 171+ will probably do the trick for you. You mentioned T30/40s, but why are you discounting T25s/20s etc? Your current numbers put you in that strata IMO.


I've thought about some T20/25s, but I'm unlikely to get money from any of them with my current numbers, so it would be hard to justify paying sticker there over UNC w/ in state, or a few others I could probably get money from like Wake etc. With 170+ that might change, although I haven't given much thought to T14 at sticker vs 20/25s with $$.


Ah I see, yeah if you want to state in NC than Wake/UNC will better serve you better.

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Re: Oct LSAT score needed to break T14?

Postby westinghouse60 » Sun Sep 25, 2011 4:07 am

minnbills wrote:
westinghouse60 wrote:
minnbills wrote:Yeah a 171+ will probably do the trick for you. You mentioned T30/40s, but why are you discounting T25s/20s etc? Your current numbers put you in that strata IMO.


I've thought about some T20/25s, but I'm unlikely to get money from any of them with my current numbers, so it would be hard to justify paying sticker there over UNC w/ in state, or a few others I could probably get money from like Wake etc. With 170+ that might change, although I haven't given much thought to T14 at sticker vs 20/25s with $$.


Ah I see, yeah if you want to state in NC than Wake/UNC will better serve you better.


Actually my goal is to work in BigLaw which is why I'm shooting for T14, but if I can't break T14 then UNC with 60k debt where maybe 10% get BigLaw seems a lot better choice than say WUSTL with 100K+ debt and maybe 20% of a class getting BigLaw.

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Re: Oct LSAT score needed to break T14?

Postby JamMasterJ » Sun Sep 25, 2011 11:49 am

westinghouse60 wrote:
minnbills wrote:Yeah a 171+ will probably do the trick for you. You mentioned T30/40s, but why are you discounting T25s/20s etc? Your current numbers put you in that strata IMO.


I've thought about some T20/25s, but I'm unlikely to get money from any of them with my current numbers, so it would be hard to justify paying sticker there over UNC w/ in state, or a few others I could probably get money from like Wake etc. With 170+ that might change, although I haven't given much thought to T14 at sticker vs 20/25s with $$.

Actually, current numbers will probably get decent money at several 20-30 schools. IU-B will most likely be a full ride.

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Re: Oct LSAT score needed to break T14?

Postby Kabuo » Sun Sep 25, 2011 12:20 pm

If your app has nothing special about it other than numbers, I would not bank on getting an MVP. You certainly might, and if you ED UVA right now, you probably would with a 171, but M is probably not going to happen unless they love your PS. C and G should be good shots if you have your apps out before Nov. My stats are better than yours, and I got my Mich app out in time to ED.

http://lawschoolnumbers.com/kabuo

Changed ED to UVA in mid december, and it was a 3 day wait for a rejection. Reason I missed C and G is probably because of how late I threw those apps out (thought UVA ED was a sure thing backup plan if M didn't work out). Just make sure your app is ready to go and polished by the time you get your score, and if you're T10 or bust, I would ED to UVA.




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