sparty99 wrote: birdlaw117 wrote:
tttlllsss wrote:The rankings DO matter. They matter because many students depend on the rankings. Whether you like it or not, for most prospective students, the USNWR is one of the main factors in picking a school to attend. For that reason alone, the ranking of a school affects the quality of its student body. And this, in turn, affects hiring in the long-term.
That's what everyone but sparty has been saying.
No, dawg, I said dumb students are the only ones who care about rankings because their prestige whores. Do you think this is the only scandal that has happened in the last 10 years? No. And it certainly isn't the first admissions scandal at Illinois.
There are empirical studies that show the rankings of law schools are relatively fixed, there is little movement. If you compare the rankings from today to 10 years ago, you will see this. The pecking order for Illinois graduates getting jobs won't change. The school isn't going anywhere. "It is what it is." If you liked Illinois graduates last year, you aren't going to change your mind b/c of this scandal. A school that has been around since 1897 isn't going to lose it's reputation from a mere admissions scandal. This is America. People forget. Seriously.
Again, this is wishful thinking. Rankings aren't fixed, even in the T30. Look at Emory last cycle. They changed the way they reported employment #s to USNWR, and dropped 8 spots in one year. Now, 8 spots is huge for a T30 school, especially one that usually sits comfy around the 20-25 zone.
Like I said, yes, recruiters will still look upon UIUC the same way, for the time being. Two things to keep in mind, however; first, this scandal, as opposed to the prior UIUC scandal, reflects upon the overall C/O '14 as a whole. C/O '13 was at 167 and C/O was at 163. This means the quality of C/O is drastically lower than preceding classes, and this might draw the attention of some recruiters.
Second, this scandal greatly diminishes UIUC's attractiveness to prospective students. Believe it or not, many students chose UIUC b/c it's a T30 near Chicago. Many of these students could have attended WUSTL, ND, etc, but were allured by UIUC for some reason. I would think, in future cycles, that particular student would NOT choose UIUC. That's why I expect the student quality to decrease for the foreseeable future.
Now, if the student quality stays low for several years, recruiters WILL notice that. They WILL notice that UIUC just doesn't stand up to its former peers, ND, WUSTL, etc. Relative
to UIUC, ND, WUSTL, etc, grads will start to look more attractive. If the competition weren't so fierce for Chicago, sure, this wouldn't have a big effect. But that's not the case.