Thirteen wrote: HeavenWood wrote: crumpetsandtea wrote:
tmon wrote:Wow. This is seriously disappointing. Still going to apply, but only as a last case scenario. Don't see any reason to pick them over some regional similar schools at this point, even if I want Chicago.
I do wonder how much of an issue this will be come OCI-time. Villanova's scandal hasn't really made a difference, but Philly is also unusually insular. How national is the Chicago market?
Michigan, Chicago, Northwestern, Illinois, Notre Dame, Indiana, Iowa, and WUSTL feed into Chicago, not to mention all of the non-T50 schools that are located in the city.
I'm not happy about this development, obviously, but I just don't see it effecting job prospects much at all here.
I talked about it on a few interviews and, while people were concerned if they were alums, it didn't seem like it made a bit of difference in their hiring decisions. These firms hire from Illinois because there are a lot of Illinois alums who work for them, many of whom graduated when our LSAT median was ~160. Sure, this doesn't look good, but I don't think that the hiring chairs at most firms in Chicago are going to say "Well shit, we can't hire any more of those Illinois students, we might as well start recruiting at IU-Bloomington!" It's just not going to happen.
If you want Chicago and your options are Illinois or another similarly situated school, you really ought to look at who came to OCI this year at both places. Hint: Generally, more Chicago firms show up at Illinois than at the other non-T14s. It can, and should, be a factor, but I don't think anyone should make their school decisions based ONLY on this scandal.
Regarding Smith---I liked him as a proff, too. It'd be a shame to see him go but I'm not convinced that he will. Him leaving might be worse than the admissions scandal: He might not be the best Dean (I don't know) but he definitely was strong for the law school. While most law schools give a huge percentage of their income to the larger institution, Smith has ensured that Illinois keeps the majority of its money in-house to fund and improve the law school. If that changes, we've got problems.