U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby tmon » Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:22 pm

blurbz wrote:
chrisbru wrote:Is there ANY chance that a website administrator mistakenly published the 75th percentile numbers as the medians? I feel like that would be the preferred mistake to have been made in this situation... At least it's forgivable and you can blame it on an hourly web tech instead of school administration?



That occurred to me, too. That would still mean that we had a precipitous drop from our numbers last year (167 to 163) and I have a hard time believing that.

Didn't the class size also decrease significantly too?

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby CanadianWolf » Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:22 pm

Will last year's numbers also undergo an audit ?

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby blurbz » Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:23 pm

tmon wrote:
blurbz wrote:
chrisbru wrote:Is there ANY chance that a website administrator mistakenly published the 75th percentile numbers as the medians? I feel like that would be the preferred mistake to have been made in this situation... At least it's forgivable and you can blame it on an hourly web tech instead of school administration?



That occurred to me, too. That would still mean that we had a precipitous drop from our numbers last year (167 to 163) and I have a hard time believing that.

Didn't the class size also decrease significantly too?



Yeah, but that was the plan. And a decrease in class size should have made it easier, not harder, to maintain our medians.

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby blurbz » Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:24 pm

CanadianWolf wrote:Will last year's numbers also undergo an audit ?



I hope so. I want to know.

Maybe I should update the firms I've interviewed with with my LSAT score...

Edit: Emails and news releases imply that they will audit the past few years.

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Postby dreakol » Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:25 pm

blurbz wrote:
CanadianWolf wrote:Will last year's numbers also undergo an audit ?



I hope so. I want to know.

Maybe I should update the firms I've interviewed with with my LSAT score...


lol

probably not a bad idea

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby beachbum » Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:26 pm

Holy shit. Hopefully the consequences of this scandal (and whatever else is uncovered from subsequent investigations) don't fall too heavily upon the shoulders of current students. Because man, that just sucks. 163? Really?

Also: waitlisted last cycle with a 170/3.4.

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Postby chrisbru » Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:26 pm

NancyBotwin wrote:
chrisbru wrote:Is there ANY chance that a website administrator mistakenly published the 75th percentile numbers as the medians? I feel like that would be the preferred mistake to have been made in this situation... At least it's forgivable and you can blame it on an hourly web tech instead of school administration?

No. It was not just the website.



Wait it wasn't? This is news to me, I thought it was just the class profile on the law school website.

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby tmon » Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:27 pm

blurbz wrote:
tmon wrote:
blurbz wrote:
chrisbru wrote:Is there ANY chance that a website administrator mistakenly published the 75th percentile numbers as the medians? I feel like that would be the preferred mistake to have been made in this situation... At least it's forgivable and you can blame it on an hourly web tech instead of school administration?



That occurred to me, too. That would still mean that we had a precipitous drop from our numbers last year (167 to 163) and I have a hard time believing that.

Didn't the class size also decrease significantly too?



Yeah, but that was the plan. And a decrease in class size should have made it easier, not harder, to maintain our medians.

Yeah, that was my thought, and makes the new numbers that much more surprising. ND and IUB are probably a step above at this point, as far as regional schools go...

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Postby Thirteen » Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:27 pm

blurbz wrote:
CanadianWolf wrote:Will last year's numbers also undergo an audit ?



I hope so. I want to know.

Maybe I should update the firms I've interviewed with with my LSAT score...

Edit: Emails and news releases imply that they will audit the past few years.


Good luck. I really hate that this happened to all of you out there.

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Postby chrisbru » Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:28 pm

blurbz wrote:
CanadianWolf wrote:Will last year's numbers also undergo an audit ?



I hope so. I want to know.

Maybe I should update the firms I've interviewed with with my LSAT score...

Edit: Emails and news releases imply that they will audit the past few years.



I wonder what we'll see about the years before. Drop by that many points would make it hard to believe that this was the first year numbers fudging has happened. I'm not sure what to think.

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby blurbz » Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:29 pm

tmon wrote:Yeah, that was my thought, and makes the new numbers that much more surprising. ND and IUB are probably a step above at this point, as far as regional schools go...


Probably rankings wise, but I suspect the Chicago firms that recruit here and don't recruit at IUB won't switch just because of this. Our alumni are still pretty loyal to the school and are well-entrenched in Chicago.

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby Kilpatrick » Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:29 pm

beachbum wrote:Holy shit. Hopefully the consequences of this scandal (and whatever else is uncovered from subsequent investigations) don't fall too heavily upon the shoulders of current students. Because man, that just sucks. 163? Really?

Also: waitlisted last cycle with a 170/3.4.


This makes me even more upset. Why the fuck was Pless lying when he could have just accepted these 170s!

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Postby dreakol » Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:30 pm

I kind of wonder how many students jaws dropped when they saw the 168 median for the first time

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby blurbz » Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:32 pm

Kilpatrick wrote:
beachbum wrote:Holy shit. Hopefully the consequences of this scandal (and whatever else is uncovered from subsequent investigations) don't fall too heavily upon the shoulders of current students. Because man, that just sucks. 163? Really?

Also: waitlisted last cycle with a 170/3.4.


This makes me even more upset. Why the fuck was Pless lying when he could have just accepted these 170s!


Same. Maybe evidence of a mistake rather than intentional lying....

dreakol wrote:I kind of wonder how many students jaws dropped when they saw the 168 median for the first time


Not too many, I think, given how our numbers have been rising for the last few years. It wasn't outside the realm of possibility. I guess we'll see if those numbers were accurate, too, though....

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby Helmholtz » Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:37 pm

Thirteen wrote:
blurbz wrote:
CanadianWolf wrote:Will last year's numbers also undergo an audit ?



I hope so. I want to know.

Maybe I should update the firms I've interviewed with with my LSAT score...

Edit: Emails and news releases imply that they will audit the past few years.


Good luck. I really hate that this happened to all of you out there.


+1

The students are the last ones who should have to suffer because of this.

BYU, George Mason, and Baylor now have higher numbers than UIUC. The students entering had absolutely no way of knowing that when making their law school decision.

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby Yukos » Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:41 pm

muaythaifighter wrote:LOL wow, what happened? i thought their 25th was 163 last year. and that was an egregious act of data manipulation btw.


Confirmed 25th was 163 last year, that would be a hell of a fall if genuine...

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca ... 0129.story

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby vanwinkle » Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:41 pm

Helmholtz wrote:I normally roll my eyes at news of students talking about suing their law school, but I think I would give a free pass here. This is.....just....wow. 5 LSAT points and .11 GPA points? Holy christ almighty.

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby CanadianWolf » Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:49 pm

@Yukos: The only aspect confirmed was that Illinois reported the 25th% LSAT as a 163 last year. We still don't know whether or not last year's numbers will be audited.

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby adammac17 » Mon Sep 19, 2011 5:01 pm

as a uiuc 1L (who had higher ranked offers) i cant tell you have enraged i am. all the 1Ls i know have been walking around in a daze since getting the email from Dean Smith and i've overheard several unset phone calls to mom/dad/SOs.

does anyone have any knowledge on ways we can get out of this? i dont really have much money sunk in at this point - is dropping out and reapplying next year to other places a possibility???!? would i be able to simply re-apply with my stats or would i gain some stigma as a drop-out?

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby 2014 » Mon Sep 19, 2011 5:01 pm

Well that's one less application I have to fill out this fall...

I also feel really bad for all of the 1Ls at Illinois right now. I hope you guys come out alright.
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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby MBZags » Mon Sep 19, 2011 5:02 pm

I really hope Dean Smith plans to do something more for the students than just send out an e-mail. This is ridiculous.

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby muaythaifighter » Mon Sep 19, 2011 5:02 pm

thats a possibility adam i don't think you would be stigmatized with a good addendum.

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby NancyBotwin » Mon Sep 19, 2011 5:05 pm

Kilpatrick wrote:This makes me even more upset. Why the fuck was Pless lying when he could have just accepted these 170s!


Knowing Pless, I have an EXTREMELY hard time believing this was intentional.

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Postby WSJ_Law » Mon Sep 19, 2011 5:07 pm

Problem Pless?

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby DreamsInDigital » Mon Sep 19, 2011 5:08 pm

NancyBotwin wrote:
Kilpatrick wrote:This makes me even more upset. Why the fuck was Pless lying when he could have just accepted these 170s!


Knowing Pless, I have an EXTREMELY hard time believing this was intentional.


That is how I felt about Pless, but after seeing how drastic the supposed difference in numbers is, I'm just really confused.




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