U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

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Postby 071816 » Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:38 pm

muaythaifighter wrote:LOL wow, what happened? i thought their 25th was 163 last year. and that was an egregious act of data manipulation btw.


They've probably been falsely reporting data for years and it's just now catching up to them.

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Postby bjsesq » Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:39 pm

chimp wrote:
muaythaifighter wrote:LOL wow, what happened? i thought their 25th was 163 last year. and that was an egregious act of data manipulation btw.


They've probably been falsely reporting data for years and it's just now catching up to them.


Mighty large one you pulled from your ass there.

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Postby Chupavida » Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:41 pm

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Postby MrAnon » Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:44 pm

hahaha.

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Postby Thirteen » Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:44 pm

NancyBotwin wrote:
Jack Smirks wrote:
blurbz wrote:New Medians:

163
3.70

I'm not happy.

This can't be real.


It is.


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Hopefully, this won't negatively affect the reputation of the current students in the eyes of employers. This really kills me, because it could have an impact on the employment prospects of a large number of my friends :cry:

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby muaythaifighter » Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:52 pm

lol at least it will be easier for ppl to get into illinois now

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Postby dreakol » Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:53 pm

muaythaifighter wrote:lol at least it will be easier for ppl to get into illinois now



i was WL there this year with 169 3.67

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Postby Thirteen » Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:53 pm

muaythaifighter wrote:lol at least it will be easier for ppl to get into illinois now


There's nothing funny about taking out $180k in debt, then dealing with the prospect of unemployment. Grow up.

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby tmon » Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:56 pm

holy hell. That was....highly unexpected. Not quite the slight number fudging I think everyone was hoping for. I'll still apply (free app and all), but I'm feeling significantly less likely to really consider enrolling. Very unfortunate.

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby chrisbru » Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:57 pm

dreakol wrote:
muaythaifighter wrote:lol at least it will be easier for ppl to get into illinois now



i was WL there this year with 169 3.67



I know they claim not to YP, but this sounds like a very obvious example that they do...

... I was WL as well, but as a splitter I found that more likely.

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Postby Sauer Grapes » Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:57 pm

Wow. I wonder if they didn't react well enough to the drop in applications and ended up getting destroyed. I still hope it was an honest mistake, but that big of a discrepancy leads me to believe it probably wasn't.

I wonder if any other schools did the same? I'd be surprised if Illinois was the only one to drop that much, unless they have been lying on their numbers for years.

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Postby blurbz » Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:03 pm

Sauer Grapes wrote:Wow. I wonder if they didn't react well enough to the drop in applications and ended up getting destroyed. I still hope it was an honest mistake, but that big of a discrepancy leads me to believe it probably wasn't.

I wonder if any other schools did the same? I'd be surprised if Illinois was the only one to drop that much, unless they have been lying on their numbers for years.



People who have followed my posts know that I tend to defend Illinois a decent amount. But right now I have a hard time believing that this was a mistake. I guess....Either our admissions department lied or they're incompetent. And I'm not happy about it either way.

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby Helmholtz » Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:05 pm

Jack Smirks wrote:
blurbz wrote:http://www.law.illinois.edu/news/article/1614

Holy shit.

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Postby tmon » Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:07 pm

blurbz wrote:
Sauer Grapes wrote:Wow. I wonder if they didn't react well enough to the drop in applications and ended up getting destroyed. I still hope it was an honest mistake, but that big of a discrepancy leads me to believe it probably wasn't.

I wonder if any other schools did the same? I'd be surprised if Illinois was the only one to drop that much, unless they have been lying on their numbers for years.



People who have followed my posts know that I tend to defend Illinois a decent amount. But right now I have a hard time believing that this was a mistake. I guess....Either our admissions department lied or they're incompetent. And I'm not happy about it either way.

Bets on how long before a student announces they're suing the school? I'd be really pissed. On the other hand, it's not functionally much different then them having a rough year for admissions later on which hits the school's reputation for employers. Well, aside from the ethics/credibility part. Hard to see how that really impacts hiring decisions.

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby MrAnon » Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:08 pm

Thirteen wrote:
muaythaifighter wrote:lol at least it will be easier for ppl to get into illinois now


There's nothing funny about taking out $180k in debt, then dealing with the prospect of unemployment. Grow up.


Oh please. The prospect of unemployment has been around for years at schools in this range.

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby bjsesq » Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:10 pm

MrAnon wrote:
Thirteen wrote:
muaythaifighter wrote:lol at least it will be easier for ppl to get into illinois now


There's nothing funny about taking out $180k in debt, then dealing with the prospect of unemployment. Grow up.


Oh please. The prospect of unemployment has been around for years at schools in this range.


Perhaps not as badly as it will be now because of this shit. The guy is defending his friends at the school, junior.

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby Helmholtz » Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:11 pm

tmon wrote:
blurbz wrote:
Sauer Grapes wrote:Wow. I wonder if they didn't react well enough to the drop in applications and ended up getting destroyed. I still hope it was an honest mistake, but that big of a discrepancy leads me to believe it probably wasn't.

I wonder if any other schools did the same? I'd be surprised if Illinois was the only one to drop that much, unless they have been lying on their numbers for years.



People who have followed my posts know that I tend to defend Illinois a decent amount. But right now I have a hard time believing that this was a mistake. I guess....Either our admissions department lied or they're incompetent. And I'm not happy about it either way.

Bets on how long before a student announces they're suing the school? I'd be really pissed.


I normally roll my eyes at news of students talking about suing their law school, but I think I would give a free pass here. This is.....just....wow. 5 LSAT points and .11 GPA points? Holy christ almighty.

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby blurbz » Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:15 pm

I'm happy with the education I'm receiving here. I like my friends and I'm happy with the faculty.

But--I'll openly admit I used rankings pretty heavily in making my admissions decisions. If this turns out to have been going on for a number of years and our true ranking is much lower, then I know where I'd have gone, and it wouldn't have been here. That's not an indictment of my experiences at Illinois since I've arrived, but a reflection of the factors that came up while I was making my ultimate decision. I had a choice to go to a different law school, ranked just 2 spots better, for about 10k more per year. If Illinois had been ranked significantly lower, I'd have chosen the other school.
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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby Samara » Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:16 pm

Sauer Grapes wrote:Wow. I wonder if they didn't react well enough to the drop in applications and ended up getting destroyed. I still hope it was an honest mistake, but that big of a discrepancy leads me to believe it probably wasn't.

I wonder if any other schools did the same? I'd be surprised if Illinois was the only one to drop that much, unless they have been lying on their numbers for years.

This shouldn't matter considering this year's class was (supposedly) much smaller than normal.

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby Odd Future Wolf Gang » Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:17 pm

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby chrisbru » Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:18 pm

Is there ANY chance that a website administrator mistakenly published the 75th percentile numbers as the medians? I feel like that would be the preferred mistake to have been made in this situation... At least it's forgivable and you can blame it on an hourly web tech instead of school administration?

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby bjsesq » Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:18 pm

f7 wrote:Does anyone know how they got caught in the first place?


Sounds like an office insider tipped the administration off.

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Postby Wart » Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:19 pm

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby blurbz » Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:19 pm

chrisbru wrote:Is there ANY chance that a website administrator mistakenly published the 75th percentile numbers as the medians? I feel like that would be the preferred mistake to have been made in this situation... At least it's forgivable and you can blame it on an hourly web tech instead of school administration?



That occurred to me, too. That would still mean that we had a precipitous drop from our numbers last year (167 to 163) and I have a hard time believing that.

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby NancyBotwin » Mon Sep 19, 2011 4:20 pm

chrisbru wrote:Is there ANY chance that a website administrator mistakenly published the 75th percentile numbers as the medians? I feel like that would be the preferred mistake to have been made in this situation... At least it's forgivable and you can blame it on an hourly web tech instead of school administration?

No. It was not just the website.




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