U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby Thirteen » Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:20 am

Thirteen wrote:
Kilpatrick wrote:
Thirteen wrote:Does anyone know if there's a working link for the appendices to the report? I want to check out the data for the class of 2012, but the link on the COL's website for appendices 1-75 isn't working.


It works for me. It's 3000 pages so it takes awhile to open.


Cool, thanks. I'll pull it up tomorrow at school.


My numbers weren't changed. Sweet.

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Postby michlaw » Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:23 am

Have to say for the record he has a great personal presentation style. Met him at the LSAC NYC gathering last fall and he was very informative and seemed honestly interested. I ended up at a better school but I enjoyed speaking with him. I hope he lands on his feet. It is almost impossible to believe people above him did not know or at least could have known had they wanted to.

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Postby SaintClarence27 » Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:54 pm

I want to post Nightrunner's avatar on my facebook page and get lots of compliments.

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby romothesavior » Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:34 pm

michlaw wrote:Have to say for the record he has a great personal presentation style. Met him at the LSAC NYC gathering last fall and he was very informative and seemed honestly interested. I ended up at a better school but I enjoyed speaking with him. I hope he lands on his feet. It is almost impossible to believe people above him did not know or at least could have known had they wanted to.

Why would anyone wish him the best? He doesn't deserve to "land on his feet." I hope he never works in a job outside of the fast food industry.

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Postby Thirteen » Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:36 pm

romothesavior wrote:
michlaw wrote:Have to say for the record he has a great personal presentation style. Met him at the LSAC NYC gathering last fall and he was very informative and seemed honestly interested. I ended up at a better school but I enjoyed speaking with him. I hope he lands on his feet. It is almost impossible to believe people above him did not know or at least could have known had they wanted to.

Why would anyone wish him the best? He doesn't deserve to "land on his feet." I hope he never works in a job outside of the fast food industry.


You don't believe in second chances? What he did was wrong, but he's still a man with a family to feed. Everyone makes mistakes.

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Postby delusional » Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:40 pm

romothesavior wrote:
michlaw wrote:Have to say for the record he has a great personal presentation style. Met him at the LSAC NYC gathering last fall and he was very informative and seemed honestly interested. I ended up at a better school but I enjoyed speaking with him. I hope he lands on his feet. It is almost impossible to believe people above him did not know or at least could have known had they wanted to.

Why would anyone wish him the best? He doesn't deserve to "land on his feet." I hope he never works in a job outside of the fast food industry.

I don't get the hate. There are a small group of people that he harmed - the students above median at UIUC who would have gone elsewhere if the truth were known. What he did was wrong, but he's not Bernie Madoff.

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Postby Ludo! » Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:41 pm

Thirteen wrote:
romothesavior wrote:
michlaw wrote:Have to say for the record he has a great personal presentation style. Met him at the LSAC NYC gathering last fall and he was very informative and seemed honestly interested. I ended up at a better school but I enjoyed speaking with him. I hope he lands on his feet. It is almost impossible to believe people above him did not know or at least could have known had they wanted to.

Why would anyone wish him the best? He doesn't deserve to "land on his feet." I hope he never works in a job outside of the fast food industry.


You don't believe in second chances? What he did was wrong, but he's still a man with a family to feed. Everyone makes mistakes.


Illinois 2l here. I like Pless, but before I even think about forgiving him I want him to own up to what he did and apologize first.

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Postby Helmholtz » Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:58 pm

f7 wrote:
Thirteen wrote:
romothesavior wrote:
michlaw wrote:Have to say for the record he has a great personal presentation style. Met him at the LSAC NYC gathering last fall and he was very informative and seemed honestly interested. I ended up at a better school but I enjoyed speaking with him. I hope he lands on his feet. It is almost impossible to believe people above him did not know or at least could have known had they wanted to.

Why would anyone wish him the best? He doesn't deserve to "land on his feet." I hope he never works in a job outside of the fast food industry.


You don't believe in second chances? What he did was wrong, but he's still a man with a family to feed. Everyone makes mistakes.

It's a bit of a stretch to characterize this as a mistake.


Umm, who in this thread hasn't committed fraudulent behavior impacting hundreds of people at least some point their life? I can think of at least three times for me. Maybe four. It depends on how far we're going to stretch the term "people."

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Postby Thirteen » Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:01 pm

f7 wrote:
Thirteen wrote:
romothesavior wrote:
michlaw wrote:Have to say for the record he has a great personal presentation style. Met him at the LSAC NYC gathering last fall and he was very informative and seemed honestly interested. I ended up at a better school but I enjoyed speaking with him. I hope he lands on his feet. It is almost impossible to believe people above him did not know or at least could have known had they wanted to.

Why would anyone wish him the best? He doesn't deserve to "land on his feet." I hope he never works in a job outside of the fast food industry.


You don't believe in second chances? What he did was wrong, but he's still a man with a family to feed. Everyone makes mistakes.

It's a bit of a stretch to characterize this as a mistake.


Touche. I'm biased because he's a nice guy, and because I "luckily" avoided the fallout from the scandal. As the 2L said, I think that he does owe the students and alums of Illinois Law an explanation and an apology.

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby ScrabbleChamp » Wed Nov 09, 2011 6:23 pm



I never realized Pless didn't have a chin.

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby chrisbru » Wed Nov 09, 2011 6:34 pm

ScrabbleChamp wrote:


I never realized Pless didn't have a chin.


:D

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Postby sunynp » Wed Nov 09, 2011 6:47 pm

So does this mean the ileap program is a flawed idea? I think that for students who want to stay in Illinois and not have to worry about the LSAT or admissions it could still be a good plan. The problem is that they don't ever know what other schools their high GPA could get them into and , of Clyde, now we know Illinois ranking is fabricated.

How did he fabricate number of apps? Isn't that number known?

I still don't understand why he didn't just admit students who had high scores- if he is lying about the number of apps, he is protecting his yield without needing to waitlist peoplefor yield protection.

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Postby ScrabbleChamp » Wed Nov 09, 2011 6:51 pm

sunynp wrote:So does this mean the ileap program is a flawed idea? I think that for students who want to stay in Illinois and not have to worry about the LSAT or admissions it could still be a good plan. The problem is that they don't ever know what other schools their high GPA could get them into and , of Clyde, now we know Illinois ranking is fabricated.

How did he fabricate number of apps? Isn't that number known?

I still don't understand why he didn't just admit students who had high scores- if he is lying about the number of apps, he is protecting his yield without needing to waitlist peoplefor yield protection.


To me, the main problem with iLeap is that you screw yourself if you don't get in to Illinois, because by not taking the LSAT, you rule out any other school. If you put all your eggs in the iLeap basket and you don't get in, you are waiting a year before you can apply again.

I don't think iLeap is flawed, but I do think it is only for those people who are "Illinois or bust!"

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby NiccoloA » Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:07 pm

Thirteen wrote:
romothesavior wrote:
michlaw wrote:Have to say for the record he has a great personal presentation style. Met him at the LSAC NYC gathering last fall and he was very informative and seemed honestly interested. I ended up at a better school but I enjoyed speaking with him. I hope he lands on his feet. It is almost impossible to believe people above him did not know or at least could have known had they wanted to.

Why would anyone wish him the best? He doesn't deserve to "land on his feet." I hope he never works in a job outside of the fast food industry.


You don't believe in second chances? What he did was wrong, but he's still a man with a family to feed. Everyone makes mistakes.



+1 for compassion

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby Sandro » Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:27 pm

He should go to law school!!!

oh.

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby BearDownChicago » Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:42 pm

In state tuition in 2006-07 was ~ $20,500 ... In state tuition in 2011-12 is ~ $35,000

Out of state tuition in 2006-07 was ~ $32,000 ... Out of state tuition in 2011-12 is ~$42,000

The inflated numbers --> inflated ranking

Inflated ranking resulted in prospective students over valuing UIUC and thus overpaying. This is called fraud.

I'd be interested to see a national tuition trend. Obviously it's increasing, but definitely not to the tune of $14,500/$10,000. There's potentially a couple hundred thousand dollars worth of damages (gross scholarships).

As an alum, at the very least, I'd like to see this fat bastard disbarred, and every article of Illinois clothing removed from his wardrobe.

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Postby masochist » Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:44 pm

romothesavior wrote:Why would anyone wish him the best? He doesn't deserve to "land on his feet." I hope he never works in a job outside of the fast food industry.


I would not be shocked if there were some sort of soft landing arranged for him in exchange for keeping his mouth shut. Even if nobody else were involved in this incident, he was working in admissions during the 2009 clout list scandal. Given recent events, I have some doubts he felt it was a moral obligation to reveal absolutely everything he knew to investigators when he was interviewed. He might still have some information people would like to keep buried (especially the IL AG whose father may have sold admissions to UIUC Law).

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby in2win » Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:51 pm

LOL at Dean Pless having the face of a 22 year old and the chin of an extremely obese 60 year old

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Postby Helmholtz » Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:55 pm

BearDownChicago wrote:In state tuition in 2006-07 was ~ $20,500 ... In state tuition in 2011-12 is ~ $35,000

Out of state tuition in 2006-07 was ~ $32,000 ... Out of state tuition in 2011-12 is ~$42,000

The inflated numbers --> inflated ranking

Inflated ranking resulted in prospective students over valuing UIUC and thus overpaying. This is called fraud.

I'd be interested to see a national tuition trend. Obviously it's increasing, but definitely not to the tune of $14,500/$10,000. There's potentially a couple hundred thousand dollars worth of damages (gross scholarships).

As an alum, at the very least, I'd like to see this fat bastard disbarred, and every article of Illinois clothing removed from his wardrobe.


To be fair, they need the extra money in tuition to pay for all the million-dollar investigations done to root out corrupt school officials.

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby kaiser » Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:57 pm

Hope the fat lying piece of shit gets whats coming to him.

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby Ludo! » Wed Nov 09, 2011 9:08 pm

Pless has actually lost a bunch of weight since that photo was taken. You can still call him a bastard, but technically he's not a fat bastard anymore.

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Postby kaiser » Wed Nov 09, 2011 9:10 pm

Ludovico Technique wrote:Pless has actually lost a bunch of weight since that photo was taken. You can still call him a bastard, but technically he's not a fat bastard anymore.


Hope the average-build lying piece of shit gets whats coming to him

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Postby LawWeb » Wed Nov 09, 2011 9:11 pm

Well this is fitting: I had an e-mail exchange with Pless when I applied to law school. U of I waitlisted me even though I had more than good enough numbers to get in because of some minor character and fitness thing that other schools didn't care about. At that time, U of I had another little scandal, a pay for jobs scandal I think. Anyway, here was what I wrote to Pless at that time:

"The one thing I will say is that no one and nothing is Character and Fitness perfect - not even the University of Illinois. I guess that's what strikes me most. For a school that is looking to have its reputation based on its whole history rather than perhaps a few certain recent reports, you would think there would be more inclination to understand rather than less. I personally believe the first step to truly plotting a new course that puts character first is to become more understanding of imperfection. We too often see the John Edwards, who was among the most vocal Democrats in criticizing Clinton for his affair, or Eliot Spitzer, who declared punishment for prostitution should be made harsher."

Pless decided to dump me from the waitlist after I sent the e-mail. Well, at least my sniffer seemed to work in this instance...

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby jml8756 » Wed Nov 09, 2011 9:21 pm

LawWeb wrote:Well this is fitting: I had an e-mail exchange with Pless when I applied to law school. U of I waitlisted me even though I had more than good enough numbers to get in because of some minor character and fitness thing that other schools didn't care about. At that time, U of I had another little scandal, a pay for jobs scandal I think. Anyway, here was what I wrote to Pless at that time:

"The one thing I will say is that no one and nothing is Character and Fitness perfect - not even the University of Illinois. I guess that's what strikes me most. For a school that is looking to have its reputation based on its whole history rather than perhaps a few certain recent reports, you would think there would be more inclination to understand rather than less. I personally believe the first step to truly plotting a new course that puts character first is to become more understanding of imperfection. We too often see the John Edwards, who was among the most vocal Democrats in criticizing Clinton for his affair, or Eliot Spitzer, who declared punishment for prostitution should be made harsher."

Pless decided to dump me from the waitlist after I sent the e-mail. Well, at least my sniffer seemed to work in this instance...


Pless's sniffer seemed to work in this instance as well...




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