U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby Helmholtz » Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:21 pm

justonemoregame wrote:"I thought of it before Michigan.." - bet they love that association.


Frankly, I think the GPA-only admissions are shady as fuck, whether it's Michigan or UIUC or whoever doing it.

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby lsatcrazy » Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:22 pm

Meanwhile, at the USNWR offices...
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edit: I like the TLS plug on page 35...
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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby Cornelius » Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:23 pm

NancyBotwin wrote:This makes me sad.


But at least my numbers weren't changed.

:? The GPA for class of 2013 was overstated by 0.2.

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby minnbills » Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:30 pm

I found this bit disturbing as well, from Dean Hurd:

Unbelievably impressive stats for this year’s class. Unbelievably fabulous. Can’t tell you how great it is to be teaching students who are smarter than the best
students we were used to teaching at Penn those years ago. It’s a great gift to the
school and to us, as faculty. And it’s all YOU. Yea, yea, others help, but without
YOU this would not have happened. Not a chance. YOU are the reason this
school will rise in the rankings, rise in national esteem, and rise on the merits
beyond all other reasons.


Just strikes me as weird.

EDIT: from page 80

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Postby Samara » Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:32 pm

It's also interesting how much he was given in raises over his career there. He started in the admissions office in 2003 after he graduated from UIUC, making about $38,000. Through promotions and multiple huge raises, his salary was brought up to over $130,000 for FY12. Wow. I also didn't realize he was so young.

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Postby crumpetsandtea » Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:33 pm

minnbills wrote:I found this bit disturbing as well, from Dean Hurd:

Unbelievably impressive stats for this year’s class. Unbelievably fabulous. Can’t tell you how great it is to be teaching students who are smarter than the best
students we were used to teaching at Penn those years ago. It’s a great gift to the
school and to us, as faculty. And it’s all YOU. Yea, yea, others help, but without
YOU this would not have happened. Not a chance. YOU are the reason this
school will rise in the rankings, rise in national esteem, and rise on the merits
beyond all other reasons.


Just strikes me as weird.

EDIT: from page 80

Good god, they're like movie-villain caricatures. Who seriously talks like this?

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Postby Samara » Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:33 pm

minnbills wrote:I found this bit disturbing as well, from Dean Hurd:

Unbelievably impressive stats for this year’s class. Unbelievably fabulous. Can’t tell you how great it is to be teaching students who are smarter than the best
students we were used to teaching at Penn those years ago. It’s a great gift to the
school and to us, as faculty. And it’s all YOU. Yea, yea, others help, but without
YOU this would not have happened. Not a chance. YOU are the reason this
school will rise in the rankings, rise in national esteem, and rise on the merits
beyond all other reasons.


Just strikes me as weird.

EDIT: from page 80

Isn't Hurd the one who was fired for that admissions scandal a couple years ago? Two peas in a pod I guess...

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby NancyBotwin » Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:38 pm

Cornelius wrote:
NancyBotwin wrote:This makes me sad.


But at least my numbers weren't changed.

:? The GPA for class of 2013 was overstated by 0.2.

I said "my," not "my class."

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Postby minnbills » Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:38 pm

Samara wrote:It's also interesting how much he was given in raises over his career there. He started in the admissions office in 2003 after he graduated from UIUC, making about $38,000. Through promotions and multiple huge raises, his salary was brought up to over $130,000 for FY12. Wow. I also didn't realize he was so young.


Well the guy was supposedly so good at bringing up UIUC's medians that it's not really a surprise he had other suitors.

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Postby Cornelius » Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:39 pm

NancyBotwin wrote:
Cornelius wrote:
NancyBotwin wrote:This makes me sad.


But at least my numbers weren't changed.

:? The GPA for class of 2013 was overstated by 0.2.

I said "my," not "my class."

*shrug* I was trying to decide whether you were posting something factually incorrect, referencing the LSAT scores since the discussion seems to revolve mainly around that, or unnecessary for it's obviousness. I went with incorrect.

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Postby bjsesq » Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:40 pm

Cornelius wrote:
NancyBotwin wrote:
Cornelius wrote:
NancyBotwin wrote:This makes me sad.


But at least my numbers weren't changed.

:? The GPA for class of 2013 was overstated by 0.2.

I said "my," not "my class."

*shrug* I was trying to decide whether you were posting something factually incorrect, referencing the LSAT scores since the discussion seems to revolve mainly around that, or unnecessary for it's obviousness. I went with incorrect.


GTFO, fuckbag.

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Postby Kilpatrick » Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:42 pm

crumpetsandtea wrote:
minnbills wrote:I found this bit disturbing as well, from Dean Hurd:

Unbelievably impressive stats for this year’s class. Unbelievably fabulous. Can’t tell you how great it is to be teaching students who are smarter than the best
students we were used to teaching at Penn those years ago. It’s a great gift to the
school and to us, as faculty. And it’s all YOU. Yea, yea, others help, but without
YOU this would not have happened. Not a chance. YOU are the reason this
school will rise in the rankings, rise in national esteem, and rise on the merits
beyond all other reasons.


Just strikes me as weird.

EDIT: from page 80

Good god, they're like movie-villain caricatures. Who seriously talks like this?


Hurd pretty much is a movie-villain. She was one of the worst teachers I've ever had

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby Grizz » Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:43 pm

I wonder if some poor Jones Day associate billed time for reading any of the utter dreck I post on here.

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Postby chrisbru » Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:45 pm

Grizz wrote:I wonder if some poor Jones Day associate billed time for reading any of the utter dreck I post on here.



:lol:

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Postby keg411 » Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:46 pm

Grizz wrote:I wonder if some poor Jones Day associate billed time for reading any of the utter dreck I post on here.


On the flip side, I wouldn't mind billing all my TLS time.

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby bjsesq » Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:47 pm

Grizz wrote:I wonder if some poor Jones Day associate billed time for reading any of the utter dreck I post on here.


For a 160k, I'd happily read every post GDane ever wrote.

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Postby Cornelius » Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:48 pm

I remember back towards the beginning a number of people hypothesized the iLeap students were being given LSAT scores of 180. Not too far off I suppose.

During an interview with investigators, Pless stated that he put the 4.0 GPAs into the Dashboard for the iLEAP students as “placeholders,” which he forgot to update later with the students’ correct GPAs.

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby minnbills » Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:48 pm

Kilpatrick wrote:Hurd pretty much is a movie-villain. She was one of the worst teachers I've ever had


Yeah her name kept coming up over and over again, especially as an advocate for Pless' pay increases, if I remember correctly.

I wonder if some poor Jones Day associate billed time for reading any of the utter dreck I post on here.


I think all of us who posted in Pless' Q&A became evidence lol.

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Postby bjsesq » Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:49 pm

minnbills wrote:
Kilpatrick wrote:Hurd pretty much is a movie-villain. She was one of the worst teachers I've ever had


Yeah her name kept coming up over and over again, especially as an advocate for Pless' pay increases, if I remember correctly.

I wonder if some poor Jones Day associate billed time for reading any of the utter dreck I post on here.


I think all of us who posted in Pless' Q&A became evidence lol.



SERRAT

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby Grizz » Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:50 pm

bjsesq wrote:
Grizz wrote:I wonder if some poor Jones Day associate billed time for reading any of the utter dreck I post on here.


For a 160k, I'd happily read every post GDane ever wrote.

Shit for 160 I'd read every poast by Sehmeserial, GDane, PDaddy, and URMDan.

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Postby bjsesq » Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:54 pm

Grizz wrote:
bjsesq wrote:
Grizz wrote:I wonder if some poor Jones Day associate billed time for reading any of the utter dreck I post on here.


For a 160k, I'd happily read every post GDane ever wrote.

Shit for 160 I'd read every poast by Sehmeserial, GDane, PDaddy, and URMDan.


Let's not go crazy.

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby chrisbru » Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:55 pm

Grizz wrote:
bjsesq wrote:
Grizz wrote:I wonder if some poor Jones Day associate billed time for reading any of the utter dreck I post on here.


For a 160k, I'd happily read every post GDane ever wrote.

Shit for 160 I'd read every poast by Sehmeserial, GDane, PDaddy, and URMDan.


What if you had to pick apart and write an in-depth analysis every SMS post that's longer than 2 paragraphs?

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby Cornelius » Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:57 pm

Heh.

With respect to the Class of 2014, Duff & Phelps analyzed whether providing a Why Illinois essay had any statistically apparent effect on admissions decisions. Duff & Phelps found, among other things, that the applicants who provided an essay were admitted (or denied or waitlisted) at approximately the same rate as applicants who did not, and likewise that applicants with similar LSAT scores and GPAs were admitted at essentially the same rate, regardless of whether they had submitted a Why Illinois essay or, if they had, how well they scored on the essay.

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Postby Samara » Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:00 pm

Cornelius wrote:Heh.

With respect to the Class of 2014, Duff & Phelps analyzed whether providing a Why Illinois essay had any statistically apparent effect on admissions decisions. Duff & Phelps found, among other things, that the applicants who provided an essay were admitted (or denied or waitlisted) at approximately the same rate as applicants who did not, and likewise that applicants with similar LSAT scores and GPAs were admitted at essentially the same rate, regardless of whether they had submitted a Why Illinois essay or, if they had, how well they scored on the essay.

:lol:

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby Grizz » Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:02 pm

chrisbru wrote:
Grizz wrote:
bjsesq wrote:
Grizz wrote:I wonder if some poor Jones Day associate billed time for reading any of the utter dreck I post on here.


For a 160k, I'd happily read every post GDane ever wrote.

Shit for 160 I'd read every poast by Sehmeserial, GDane, PDaddy, and URMDan.


What if you had to pick apart and write an in-depth analysis every SMS post that's longer than 2 paragraphs?

NOPENOPENOPENOPENOPE




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