U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby minnbills » Wed Oct 12, 2011 11:04 pm

emkay625 wrote:I do not understand. Pics of what?


They want pics of you...

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby dreakol » Wed Oct 12, 2011 11:05 pm

minnbills wrote:
emkay625 wrote:I do not understand. Pics of what?


They want pics of you...


not all of her

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby emkay625 » Wed Oct 12, 2011 11:06 pm

dreakol wrote:
emkay625 wrote:
romothesavior wrote:
emkay625 wrote:Here is my question about this: HOW did it happen?

Not the making up stuff, but the median. How does your median LSAT fall FOUR points in one year?! That drop is insane.

Pics and we'll tell you.


I do not understand. Pics of what?


tyft


thank you for trying?

i get more confused as we go.

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby romothesavior » Thu Oct 13, 2011 12:12 am

emkay625 wrote:
romothesavior wrote:
emkay625 wrote:Here is my question about this: HOW did it happen?

Not the making up stuff, but the median. How does your median LSAT fall FOUR points in one year?! That drop is insane.

Pics and we'll tell you.


I do not understand. Pics of what?

Sigh... it was a joke. TLS-style.

Anyways, a few people have explained how it is possible ITT. Basically, if you are really playing games with your medians to begin with, you can possibly be burned. If a few of your 167/168s don't matriculate and you don't have many 164-166s, then you get hurt bad. I am also shocked that they fell this far, but that's the gist of how it works.

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby emkay625 » Thu Oct 13, 2011 12:14 am

minnbills wrote:
emkay625 wrote:I do not understand. Pics of what?


They want pics of you...


Oh.

This is a self-tar. If you want more, they are in the waiting thread.

Warning: they are of me eating giant hunks of meat. No, that is not a euphemism.

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby emkay625 » Thu Oct 13, 2011 12:16 am

romothesavior wrote:
emkay625 wrote:
romothesavior wrote:
emkay625 wrote:Here is my question about this: HOW did it happen?

Not the making up stuff, but the median. How does your median LSAT fall FOUR points in one year?! That drop is insane.

Pics and we'll tell you.


I do not understand. Pics of what?

Sigh... it was a joke. TLS-style.

Anyways, a few people have explained how it is possible ITT. Basically, if you are really playing games with your medians to begin with, you can possibly be burned. If a few of your 167/168s don't matriculate and you don't have many 164-166s, then you get hurt bad. I am also shocked that they fell this far, but that's the gist of how it works.


Sucks to be Illinois. It just seems like it would have to be a perfect-storm-esque situation when it came down to who matriculated.

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby blurbz » Thu Oct 13, 2011 12:19 am

Had lunch with a prof the other day and he said there's another way this whole thing could have gone down:

All schools pick a date and time to finalize the class for reporting purposes. At Illinois that date and time is 9:00 a.m. on the first day of 1L orientation. At that time, the admissions folks tally everything up and make it official. After that time, a few people might leave the class because they got off of waitlists at other schools and a few people might join the class after getting off of the Illinois waitlist. Because "census" was already taken and the class was finalized for reporting purposes, these last minute additions and subtractions would not factor into the reported numbers. Now that there are independent auditors, it's possible that they are looking at the people who are actually in the class rather than the people who were in the class at 9:00 a.m. on the first day of orientation.

As a side note, this professor believes that the books were cooked this year, but that the above might explain the small (1 point) differences in previous years.

Interesting possibility.

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby Helmholtz » Thu Oct 13, 2011 12:29 am

blurbz wrote:Had lunch with a prof the other day and he said there's another way this whole thing could have gone down:

All schools pick a date and time to finalize the class for reporting purposes. At Illinois that date and time is 9:00 a.m. on the first day of 1L orientation. At that time, the admissions folks tally everything up and make it official. After that time, a few people might leave the class because they got off of waitlists at other schools and a few people might join the class after getting off of the Illinois waitlist. Because "census" was already taken and the class was finalized for reporting purposes, these last minute additions and subtractions would not factor into the reported numbers. Now that there are independent auditors, it's possible that they are looking at the people who are actually in the class rather than the people who were in the class at 9:00 a.m. on the first day of orientation.

As a side note, this professor believes that the books were cooked this year, but that the above might explain the small (1 point) differences in previous years.

Interesting possibility.


I thought that they looked at the last ten years and only the past few were ones in which the data was off—the preceding years were completely clean. Little too much of a coincidence for me.

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby minnbills » Thu Oct 13, 2011 12:30 am

I see you read GQ helm...

Anyways, any UIUC students want to fill us in if any new developments have come up?

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby romothesavior » Thu Oct 13, 2011 12:36 am

Helmholtz wrote:
blurbz wrote:Had lunch with a prof the other day and he said there's another way this whole thing could have gone down:

All schools pick a date and time to finalize the class for reporting purposes. At Illinois that date and time is 9:00 a.m. on the first day of 1L orientation. At that time, the admissions folks tally everything up and make it official. After that time, a few people might leave the class because they got off of waitlists at other schools and a few people might join the class after getting off of the Illinois waitlist. Because "census" was already taken and the class was finalized for reporting purposes, these last minute additions and subtractions would not factor into the reported numbers. Now that there are independent auditors, it's possible that they are looking at the people who are actually in the class rather than the people who were in the class at 9:00 a.m. on the first day of orientation.

As a side note, this professor believes that the books were cooked this year, but that the above might explain the small (1 point) differences in previous years.

Interesting possibility.


I thought that they looked at the last ten years and only the past few were ones in which the data was off—the preceding years were completely clean. Little too much of a coincidence for me.

+1. Seems highly implausible.

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby Kilpatrick » Thu Oct 13, 2011 12:45 am

minnbills wrote:I see you read GQ helm...

Anyways, any UIUC students want to fill us in if any new developments have come up?


Nothing new

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby bjsesq » Thu Oct 13, 2011 12:46 am

Kilpatrick wrote:
minnbills wrote:I see you read GQ helm...

Anyways, any UIUC students want to fill us in if any new developments have come up?


Nothing new


I hear you play wow. I bet you suck. To prove me wrong, plz see wow thread.

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby Kilpatrick » Thu Oct 13, 2011 12:50 am

bjsesq wrote:
Kilpatrick wrote:
minnbills wrote:I see you read GQ helm...

Anyways, any UIUC students want to fill us in if any new developments have come up?


Nothing new


I hear you play wow. I bet you suck. To prove me wrong, plz see wow thread.


Hahaha I have never played Wow in my life. If I did I would probably suck. I like my video game experiences to not involve other people

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby bjsesq » Thu Oct 13, 2011 12:51 am

Kilpatrick wrote:
bjsesq wrote:
Kilpatrick wrote:
minnbills wrote:I see you read GQ helm...

Anyways, any UIUC students want to fill us in if any new developments have come up?


Nothing new


I hear you play wow. I bet you suck. To prove me wrong, plz see wow thread.


Hahaha I have never played Wow in my life. If I did I would probably suck. I like my video game experiences to not involve other people


Oh. Wrong guy. Ummmmmmmm...........






































Sup?

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby Holly Golightly » Thu Oct 13, 2011 3:01 am

You fucking loser.

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby cheeseburger » Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:18 am

blurbz wrote:Had lunch with a prof the other day and he said there's another way this whole thing could have gone down:

All schools pick a date and time to finalize the class for reporting purposes. At Illinois that date and time is 9:00 a.m. on the first day of 1L orientation. At that time, the admissions folks tally everything up and make it official. After that time, a few people might leave the class because they got off of waitlists at other schools and a few people might join the class after getting off of the Illinois waitlist. Because "census" was already taken and the class was finalized for reporting purposes, these last minute additions and subtractions would not factor into the reported numbers. Now that there are independent auditors, it's possible that they are looking at the people who are actually in the class rather than the people who were in the class at 9:00 a.m. on the first day of orientation.

As a side note, this professor believes that the books were cooked this year, but that the above might explain the small (1 point) differences in previous years.

Interesting possibility.


lol
tyft

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby Wart » Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:11 am

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby Kilpatrick » Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:24 am

Haha well I'm not holding out high hopes for those clubs accomplishing anything considering they couldn't even bother to show up on time.

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby romothesavior » Wed Oct 26, 2011 1:19 pm

Has Pless been fired yet or what?

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Postby NYC Law » Wed Oct 26, 2011 4:29 pm

romothesavior wrote:Has Pless been fired yet or what?


I'm guessing so, he still isn't listed anywhere on the administrative directory.

Also, not sure if this has been posted yet:
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011 ... w-students
The consequences of the university's inaccurate admissions data could be more severe than a slide in the rankings, however. Last week, the university, in a second announcement, said that the law school had submitted false admissions data to the American Bar Association and U.S. News magazine in 2008, 2009 and 2010. GPAs and LSAT scores are reported to the ABA as part of its accreditation process.

Looks like the school is under ABA review
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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby CanadianWolf » Wed Oct 26, 2011 4:31 pm

His name was removed when the scandal became public.

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Postby vanwinkle » Wed Oct 26, 2011 4:48 pm

NYC Law wrote:Also, not sure if this has been posted yet:
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011 ... w-students
The consequences of the university's inaccurate admissions data could be more severe than a slide in the rankings, however. Last week, the university, in a second announcement, said that the law school had submitted false admissions data to the American Bar Association and U.S. News magazine in 2008, 2009 and 2010. GPAs and LSAT scores are reported to the ABA as part of its accreditation process.

Looks like the school is under ABA review

From the same article you cite/quote:

The Chicago Tribune wrote:Paul Pless, law school admissions dean, was put on leave last month when the university launched its internal investigation.

So he's "on leave" right now, in that unpleasant purgatory between employment and termination.

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby MBZags » Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:30 pm

The report is apparently due out at 5 p.m. today.

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby romothesavior » Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:31 pm

MBZags wrote:The report is apparently due out at 5 p.m. today.

What report?

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Re: U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions

Postby MBZags » Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:34 pm

I'm assuming it's the report by the attorney they brought in from Jones Day. I'm not exactly sure, though, I've just heard that "the report" is coming out today.




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