OFFICIAL 2011 DIFFICULTIES OF MAJORS (Brought to you by KFC) Forum

[Patriot1208]

Marketing and Management classes were easier than most Psych classes. But there's no way Accounting and Finance should be that low on the list.

There is also no way accounting and finance are harder than econ, coming from someone who's taken multiple classes in all of those subjects.

[spek]

Marketing and Management classes were easier than most Psych classes. But there's no way Accounting and Finance should be that low on the list.

There is also no way accounting and finance are harder than econ, coming from someone who's taken multiple classes in all of those subjects.

+1

[Cupidity]

Philosophy / Political Theory / Religion > > > Anything

[BackToTheOldHouse]

those who went to college at their local elementary study grammar.

Didn't they teach you to capitalize shit at the august institution at which you paid good money to learn what is supposed to be a spontaneous, natural ability on account of it being your mother tongue?

Blessedassurance is Blessedlystupid.

[NYC Law]

Marketing and Management classes were easier than most Psych classes. But there's no way Accounting and Finance should be that low on the list.

There is also no way accounting and finance are harder than econ, coming from someone who's taken multiple classes in all of those subjects.

Yeah you may be right, I only took introductory Micro/Macro.

[Patriot1208]

Marketing and Management classes were easier than most Psych classes. But there's no way Accounting and Finance should be that low on the list.

There is also no way accounting and finance are harder than econ, coming from someone who's taken multiple classes in all of those subjects.

Yeah you may be right, I only took introductory Micro/Macro.

The thing about econ (in my experience) is the introductory classes are fine. But the upper level classes often become math heavy. And since i'm about as calculus illiterate as any person I know who takes upper level econ classes, I have had a hard time with them. Whereas I found finance and accounting to be much more dependent on just how much time I spent studying.

[Ginj]

Philosophy / Political Theory / Religion > > > Anything

YES.

[NZA]

Philosophy / Political Theory / Religion > > > Anything

YES.

Pretty much. I'd make this edit, however.

Philosophy is the only system that is capable of recursive dialogue with itself. All forms of knowledge we have today are essentially philosophy's bastard children.

I like to imagine Philosophy as Zeus: all other sciences and fields rise when He enters the room, and ought to address him as Father, King of the Gods.

[Samara]

Marketing and Management classes were easier than most Psych classes. But there's no way Accounting and Finance should be that low on the list.

There is also no way accounting and finance are harder than econ, coming from someone who's taken multiple classes in all of those subjects.

Yeah you may be right, I only took introductory Micro/Macro.

The thing about econ (in my experience) is the introductory classes are fine. But the upper level classes often become math heavy. And since i'm about as calculus illiterate as any person I know who takes upper level econ classes, I have had a hard time with them. Whereas I found finance and accounting to be much more dependent on just how much time I spent studying.

Granted, I only took a couple upper-level classes in Econ and one in Finance, but I agree.

[chem]

Philosophy / Political Theory / Religion > > > Anything

YES.

Pretty much. I'd make this edit, however.

Philosophy is the only system that is capable of recursive dialogue with itself. All forms of knowledge we have today are essentially philosophy's bastard children.

I like to imagine Philosophy as Zeus: all other sciences and fields rise when He enters the room, and ought to address him as Father, King of the Gods.

LOL! Obviously not familiar with the scientific method, which could basically be the definition of recursive

[UML]

Name some useful things the study of English as a major entails.

I was an English major. I didn’t go to college to learn a trade or a skill like engineering or accounting. I went to college because I wanted an opportunity to think things for myself and I found that studying English literature was a great vehicle to do that.

One (trite) complaint against English classes is that because there’re “no right answers” one can merely “say anything” and be credited. But any self-respecting professor who’s part of a decent department isn’t going to give you an A+ for turning in just anything. And regardless, an English class can be as hard as you make it. If you’re lazy but have a little talent perhaps you can get by bullshiting. But if you’re motivated to develop your mind there’s no better way to work your mental muscles than by wrestling with great books and great ideas.

In the hard sciences it’s the professor’s responsibility to challenge the students. In an English program the onus is sometimes on the student. But there’s nothing wrong with this. I’ve met many science-minded people who deride the humanities, but their arguments are always fallacious and usually stem from (1) frustration caused by ignorance, (2) frustration caused by prior failure, or (3) frustration caused by lack of talent.

You seem to be suffering from number one. Some useful things that the study of English entail are logic, rhetoric, and grammar. None of these arts are simple and to declare them so only reveals something about you yourself. An idea can always be refined, an argument can always be tighter, and a paper can always be written better.

Ha, don't get me wrong, I love English. It's simply useless. You improve simply by reading.

Sure, you can improve by reading. But the same can be said for every other subject. You can pick up a book on nursing, or economics, or mathematics, or engineering and teach it to yourself. This quibble has nothing to do with the study of English specifically.

[chem]

Name some useful things the study of English as a major entails.

I was an English major. I didn’t go to college to learn a trade or a skill like engineering or accounting. I went to college because I wanted an opportunity to think things for myself and I found that studying English literature was a great vehicle to do that.

One (trite) complaint against English classes is that because there’re “no right answers” one can merely “say anything” and be credited. But any self-respecting professor who’s part of a decent department isn’t going to give you an A+ for turning in just anything. And regardless, an English class can be as hard as you make it. If you’re lazy but have a little talent perhaps you can get by bullshiting. But if you’re motivated to develop your mind there’s no better way to work your mental muscles than by wrestling with great books and great ideas.

In the hard sciences it’s the professor’s responsibility to challenge the students. In an English program the onus is sometimes on the student. But there’s nothing wrong with this. I’ve met many science-minded people who deride the humanities, but their arguments are always fallacious and usually stem from (1) frustration caused by ignorance, (2) frustration caused by prior failure, (3) frustration caused by lack of talent.

You seem to be suffering from number one. Some useful things that the study of English entails are logic, rhetoric, and grammar. None of these arts are simple and to declare them so only reveals something about you yourself. An idea can always be refined, an argument can always be tighter, and a paper can always be written better.

Ha, don't get me wrong, I love English. It's simply useless. You improve simply by reading.

Sure, you can improve by reading. But the same can be said for every other subject. You can pick up a book on nursing, or economics, or mathematics, or engineering and teach it to yourself. This quibble has nothing to do with the study of English specifically.

+1. But as an aforementioned science major, I'd have to say some derision we cast on English majors is due to perceiving them as snobbish hipsters

[acapulco980]

The most difficult major is going to a school that doesn't leave you with lifelong debt.

On a side note, is Physics or Engineering intrinsically harder than any other study or is it just because the way it's taught? Most people in these majors want jobs so making the classes meritocratic seems necessary to flunk out people who would fail to increase corporate profits.

p.s. economics and mathematical models? lol it's still voodoo nonetheless.

[Cupidity]

Philosophy / Political Theory / Religion > > > Anything

YES.

Pretty much. I'd make this edit, however.

Philosophy is the only system that is capable of recursive dialogue with itself. All forms of knowledge we have today are essentially philosophy's bastard children.

I like to imagine Philosophy as Zeus: all other sciences and fields rise when He enters the room, and ought to address him as Father, King of the Gods.

Hey, just because I spent all my time reading Augustine and Plato instead of Derida doesn't mean I deserve a strike-out.

[UML]

+1. But as an aforementioned science major, I'd have to say some derision we cast on English majors is due to perceiving them as snobbish hipsters

Really? I don't see it.





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[YourCaptain]

Horrific biology and english trolling.

Also, philosophy and polisci?

[Odd Future Wolf Gang]

What about BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION bros?

[acapulco980]

What about BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION bros?

i heard thats how u get a job at goldman saks

[chem]

The most difficult major is going to a school that doesn't leave you with lifelong debt.

On a side note, is Physics or Engineering intrinsically harder than any other study or is it just because the way it's taught? Most people in these majors want jobs so making the classes meritocratic seems necessary to flunk out people who would fail to increase corporate profits.

p.s. economics and mathematical models? lol it's still voodoo nonetheless.

Some parts are intrinsically harder because established facts and ways of thinking fly in the face of logic, common sense, and conceptual reasoning. It takes years of instense study just to be able to comprehend quantum mechanics, let alone understand implications. Another example would be mass transfer, ie diffusion. Everything is empirically found there, so to solve a problem you have to know how to fudge all of the equations appropriately. the final example to show that engineering concepts may be intrinsically harder is the increasing complexity of dynamic systems. Econ majors could attest to the fact that as more factors come into play, and influence eachother, the harder it is to determine outcomes. I know that in my field of chemcial engineering you have upwards of 30 components in a stream, and they react with eacother, changing temp, pressure, other reactions, which all in tern affect other reactions, and so on. Hard to model, let alone design for

[Odd Future Wolf Gang]

EXPLAIN to me: "doing research" in philosophy. Or "doing good work" in English.

[Cupidity]

EXPLAIN to me: "doing research" in philosophy. Or "doing good work" in English.

Philosophy research is a lot like legal research, there are hundreds of articles on most aspects of any major work. Analysis of scholarly debate is essentially what law review is all about.

[Odd Future Wolf Gang]

So it's just reading about what some other guy read about?

[acapulco980]

So it's just reading about what some other guy read about?

Yeah that seems right. The professionalization of philosophy is surely the death of it creating anything anyone will care about. This coming from a philosophy major.

Also, Plato and Aristotle would of considered it sophistry to charge fees for education.

[albusdumbledore]

So it's just reading about what some other guy read about?

Yeah that seems right. The professionalization of philosophy is surely the death of it creating anything anyone will care about. This coming from a philosophy major.

Nah, that's not true. People don't care about philosophy because they have no idea what it is, nor do most people have the wherewithal to understand it. This coming from a philosophy major.

[chem]

So it's just reading about what some other guy read about?

Yeah that seems right. The professionalization of philosophy is surely the death of it creating anything anyone will care about. This coming from a philosophy major.

Nah, that's not true. People don't care about philosophy because they have no idea what it is, nor do most people have the wherewithal to understand it. This coming from a philosophy major.

I enjoy philosophy, but I haven't studied it in a college environment. My questions would be to you what the goal of philosophical scholarship is, and if indeed the onus for education falls primarily on the students in these sorts of fields, why pay northwards of 30 grand a year when you could educate yourself by wrestling with the ideas? The privilege of debating it in an academic environment?