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ABA "sanctions" Villanova
"ABA Raps Villanova re Inaccurate Admission Data, Says Law School Must Post Censure Online"
http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/ ... villanova/
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Talk about a slap on the wrist.
http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/ ... villanova/
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Talk about a slap on the wrist.
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Re: ABA "sanctions" Villanova
It's appropriate because the real law school authority is US News & World Report.
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Re: ABA "sanctions" Villanova
Sounds about right to me, considering some administrators concealed the flawed practices from other administrators, and that the transgression was self-reported.
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It feels like an appropriate punishment in this case, but it would be nice if the ABA would step up and make a few examples out of trangressing law schools. Especially with the new reporting rules coming out. No school is going to change their behavior based on a punishment like this, much how Div 1 schools pratically ignore the NCAA.
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Re: ABA "sanctions" Villanova
My favorite post on TLS.CanadianWolf wrote:It's appropriate because the real law school authority is US News & World Report.
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I wish the ABA were half as concerned with BS employment data as they are with BS admissions data...
"93% of students were either employed or pursuing an advanced degree or other goals within 9 months after graduation." (http://www.law.villanova.edu/Admissions ... Facts.aspx)
"93% of students were either employed or pursuing an advanced degree or other goals within 9 months after graduation." (http://www.law.villanova.edu/Admissions ... Facts.aspx)
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That's not BS, unless you mean that 93% is too low. With vague wording like the bolded, I'm surprised anyone didn't fit into that category. Did 7% of the class die?KibblesAndVick wrote:I wish the ABA were half as concerned with BS employment data as they are with BS admissions data...
"93% of students were either employed or pursuing an advanced degree or other goals within 9 months after graduation." (http://www.law.villanova.edu/Admissions ... Facts.aspx)
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I understand that it's not factually incorrect if you really look at it. But it's completely disingenuous. They take weak employment data and present it in a way that masks the reality of the situation. They're trying to mislead you without actually lying. Which is, sadly, an improvement over misleading people by actually lying. But not by much.bp shinners wrote:That's not BS, unless you mean that 93% is too low. With vague wording like the bolded, I'm surprised anyone didn't fit into that category. Did 7% of the class die?KibblesAndVick wrote:I wish the ABA were half as concerned with BS employment data as they are with BS admissions data...
"93% of students were either employed or pursuing an advanced degree or other goals within 9 months after graduation." (http://www.law.villanova.edu/Admissions ... Facts.aspx)
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What is needed to grasp the situation is a "full-time, bar passage-required" employment figure and its respective median salary.KibblesAndVick wrote:I understand that it's not factually incorrect if you really look at it. But it's completely disingenuous. They take weak employment data and present it in a way that masks the reality of the situation. They're trying to mislead you without actually lying. Which is, sadly, an improvement over misleading people by actually lying. But not by much.
Also, remember the 93% refers to only those replying to the questionnaire, and not to all of the graduates.
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Isn't this what many attorneys set out to do?KibblesAndVick wrote:I understand that it's not factually incorrect if you really look at it. But it's completely disingenuous. They take weak employment data and present it in a way that masks the reality of the situation. They're trying to mislead you without actually lying. Which is, sadly, an improvement over misleading people by actually lying. But not by much.
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A slap on the wrist is probably all that's required to ensure a free fall in USNWR rankings next year.
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Gotta love my lawl school. OCI TODAY, HERE WE GOOOO
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I swear, it's like there is some vast conspiracy that when employers visit for OCI, an article about this is published. Happened when I was interviewing in Jan/Feb; nothing like talking about your school's fuckups to break the ice!beach_terror wrote:Gotta love my lawl school. OCI TODAY, HERE WE GOOOO
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Seriously, it actually helped me a lot during 1L OCI.geekrocker37 wrote:I swear, it's like there is some vast conspiracy that when employers visit for OCI, an article about this is published. Happened when I was interviewing in Jan/Feb; nothing like talking about your school's fuckups to break the ice!beach_terror wrote:Gotta love my lawl school. OCI TODAY, HERE WE GOOOO
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If an "other goal" is winning the lottery and sitting on the couch, does that mean sitting on the couch while buying lottery tix is "pursuing other goals?"bp shinners wrote:That's not BS, unless you mean that 93% is too low. With vague wording like the bolded, I'm surprised anyone didn't fit into that category. Did 7% of the class die?KibblesAndVick wrote:I wish the ABA were half as concerned with BS employment data as they are with BS admissions data...
"93% of students were either employed or pursuing an advanced degree or other goals within 9 months after graduation." (http://www.law.villanova.edu/Admissions ... Facts.aspx)
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If they can afford the lottery ticketJamMasterJ wrote:If an "other goal" is winning the lottery and sitting on the couch, does that mean sitting on the couch while buying lottery tix is "pursuing other goals?"bp shinners wrote:That's not BS, unless you mean that 93% is too low. With vague wording like the bolded, I'm surprised anyone didn't fit into that category. Did 7% of the class die?KibblesAndVick wrote:I wish the ABA were half as concerned with BS employment data as they are with BS admissions data...
"93% of students were either employed or pursuing an advanced degree or other goals within 9 months after graduation." (http://www.law.villanova.edu/Admissions ... Facts.aspx)
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CandianWolf was the person who was saying that Villanova would be put on probation by the ABA and that there would be "severe" consequences for Villanova. Canadian Wolf just talks with no regard for reality. Villanova Law School's admissions data is the strongest it has ever been (accounting for previous innacurate reporting). Also, dropping in the U.S. News rankings doesn't matter. It is the placement in Big Law that matters. Villanova is still top 40 in the NLJ rankings.Rock-N-Roll wrote:My favorite post on TLS.CanadianWolf wrote:It's appropriate because the real law school authority is US News & World Report.
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What happened to Villanova Law's USNews ranking ?
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Do you have anything better to do than knock CW in multiple threads?CChuff wrote:CandianWolf was the person who was saying that Villanova would be put on probation by the ABA and that there would be "severe" consequences for Villanova. Canadian Wolf just talks with no regard for reality. Villanova Law School's admissions data is the strongest it has ever been (accounting for previous innacurate reporting). Also, dropping in the U.S. News rankings doesn't matter. It is the placement in Big Law that matters. Villanova is still top 40 in the NLJ rankings.Rock-N-Roll wrote:My favorite post on TLS.CanadianWolf wrote:It's appropriate because the real law school authority is US News & World Report.
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The ABA incident did not cause the drop. And I will say it again, Villanova is still top tier for getting hired in Big Law.CanadianWolf wrote:What happened to Villanova Law's USNews ranking ?
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Why don't you go read the thread about Villanova reporting inaccruate data. CW spent three days talking about how Villanova would suffer "severe" consequences from the ABA.JamMasterJ wrote:Do you have anything better to do than knock CW in multiple threads?CChuff wrote:CandianWolf was the person who was saying that Villanova would be put on probation by the ABA and that there would be "severe" consequences for Villanova. Canadian Wolf just talks with no regard for reality. Villanova Law School's admissions data is the strongest it has ever been (accounting for previous innacurate reporting). Also, dropping in the U.S. News rankings doesn't matter. It is the placement in Big Law that matters. Villanova is still top 40 in the NLJ rankings.Rock-N-Roll wrote:My favorite post on TLS.CanadianWolf wrote:It's appropriate because the real law school authority is US News & World Report.
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Calm down. 11.91% into NLJ 250 firms is nothing to brag about.
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Tiago Splitter wrote:Calm down. 11.91% into NLJ 250 firms is nothing to brag about.
I am calm. Thanks.
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I may have spent three days responding to your personal attacks. Your stalking is too obvious &, as usual, boring.
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