ITT: New School Medians Revealed

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby soj » Sat Sep 10, 2011 12:35 am

anstone1988 wrote:Does the increase in emphasis on WE mean that it's getting harder for splitters w/o WE to get in, or does it mean that 3.95+/175+'s w/o WE are getting dinged more often as well?

:roll: Do you really need reassurance on this point every week or something?

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby Nom Sawyer » Sat Sep 10, 2011 1:33 am

anstone1988 wrote:
Nom Sawyer wrote:
1988AndX wrote:
r6_philly wrote:
The very significant rise in the increase in straight-through kids lends support to your conclusion.


24% for the Class of 2014 vs 28% for the Class of 2013; looks like a decrease to me.


Yeah actually I think its more of the fact that 7000 v. 8000 students isn't that much of a difference in terms of a class of 550. You're going to be able to pick pretty easily out of that based on whatever metrics (numbers and softs) that you want.

For example Class of 2012 and earlier were much closer to 50% straight out of college, but Class of 2013 had 28% straight through and now Class of 2014 had only 24% straight through. This fact (which seems to be influenced by JR's choices in admits) combined with the rising medians seems to suggest that Harvard is still putting a decent amount of consideration towards softs once a certain numbers bar has been met.


Does the increase in emphasis on WE mean that it's getting harder for splitters w/o WE to get in, or does it mean that 3.95+/175+'s w/o WE are getting dinged more often as well?


Lol definitely only the former and not the latter. A 3.95+/ 175+ is a whole different matter and its more like you need blatant negatives or something else that stands out badly in order to be rejected.

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby PDaddy » Sat Sep 10, 2011 2:32 am

I don't understand all of the stat-mongering. In the end, you need to do your absolute best...whatever that is. Analyzing whether that's a 3.8/172 or a 3.85/173 should mean absolutely nothing to an applicant who theoretically does the best he can in the classroom and on the LSAT. IMO there are much more useful ways for an applicant to focuss his energy.

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby dakure » Sat Sep 10, 2011 2:42 am

PDaddy wrote:I don't understand all of the stat-mongering. In the end, you need to do your absolute best...whatever that is. Analyzing whether that's a 3.8/172 or a 3.85/173 should mean absolutely nothing to an applicant who theoretically does the best he can in the classroom and on the LSAT. IMO there are much more useful ways for an applicant to focuss his energy.

Cool.

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby bjsesq » Sat Sep 10, 2011 2:51 am

PDaddy wrote:I don't understand all of the stat-mongering. In the end, you need to do your absolute best...whatever that is. Analyzing whether that's a 3.8/172 or a 3.85/173 should mean absolutely nothing to an applicant who theoretically does the best he can in the classroom and on the LSAT. IMO there are much more useful ways for an applicant to focuss his energy.


WOW. How motivational.

Also:



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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby soj » Sat Sep 10, 2011 3:13 am

PDaddy wrote:I don't understand all of the stat-mongering. In the end, you need to do your absolute best...whatever that is. Analyzing whether that's a 3.8/172 or a 3.85/173 should mean absolutely nothing to an applicant who theoretically does the best he can in the classroom and on the LSAT. IMO there are much more useful ways for an applicant to focuss his energy.

It would mean a lot to an applicant who did his best and got a 3.83/172.

Bro.

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed From Orientations

Postby Tiago Splitter » Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:22 am

Prophetic:

buckilaw wrote:
minnbills wrote:
Real Madrid wrote:Illinois: 168, 3.81


Holy shit!!!


+1. If Pless wasn't a reputable guy I would be tempted to guess Illinois had gone the Nova route.

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby Aberzombie1892 » Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:27 pm

University of miami - 3.38/158

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby Yukos » Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:58 pm

Real Madrid wrote:Illinois:


I see what you did there.

Also:

Tiago Splitter wrote:Prophetic:

buckilaw wrote:
minnbills wrote:
Real Madrid wrote:Illinois: 168, 3.81


Holy shit!!!


+1. If Pless wasn't a reputable guy I would be tempted to guess Illinois had gone the Nova route.


Nicely done.

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby bjsesq » Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:12 pm

chrisbru wrote:Did we all see this already?

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/09/11/ ... over-data/


No, the discussion regarding Pless in the number of posts immediately before yours were in regards to an unrelated hunting accident.

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby NYC Law » Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:15 pm

bjsesq wrote:
chrisbru wrote:Did we all see this already?

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/09/11/ ... over-data/


No, the discussion regarding Pless in the number of posts immediately before yours were in regards to an unrelated hunting accident.


I lol'd

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby chrisbru » Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:25 pm

bjsesq wrote:
chrisbru wrote:Did we all see this already?

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/09/11/ ... over-data/


No, the discussion regarding Pless in the number of posts immediately before yours were in regards to an unrelated hunting accident.



Just posting it here for the people who hadn't seen the article, broseph.

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby bjsesq » Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:27 pm

chrisbru wrote:
bjsesq wrote:
chrisbru wrote:Did we all see this already?

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/09/11/ ... over-data/


No, the discussion regarding Pless in the number of posts immediately before yours were in regards to an unrelated hunting accident.



Just posting it here for the people who hadn't seen the article, broseph.


I think it is safe to say it's been seen Broseidon, god of the Brocean.

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby chrisbru » Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:31 pm

bjsesq wrote:
I think it is safe to say it's been seen Broseidon, god of the Brocean.


Relevant only to bolded:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRKc-3nMI4U

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby LaCumparsita » Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:39 pm

Hahvahd is up:

GPA 75th / 25th percentiles: 3.97 / 3.79
LSAT 75th / 25th percentiles: 176 / 171

So I guess LSAT stayed the same, +.01 on GPA. Boo.

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby freestallion » Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:49 pm

LaCumparsita wrote:Hahvahd is up:

GPA 75th / 25th percentiles: 3.97 / 3.79
LSAT 75th / 25th percentiles: 176 / 171

So I guess LSAT stayed the same, +.01 on GPA. Boo.


Where did you see this? Also, medians...?

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby disco_stu » Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:51 pm

WUSTL numbers are up. GPA 3.2/3.7/3.8, LSAT 162/168/169. Median GPA is the same, LSAT median and 75% iare both +1.

What does this mean for 168ers who are applying this fall - can we still count on the $60-75k scholarships they gave out to this group last fall, or should I start looking for another target school?

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby minnbills » Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:52 pm

disco_stu wrote:WUSTL numbers are up. GPA 3.2/3.7/3.8, LSAT 162/168/169. Median GPA is the same, LSAT median and 75% iare both +1.

What does this mean for 168ers who are applying this fall - can we still count on the $60-75k scholarships they gave out to this group last fall, or should I start looking for another target school?


It probably means they took more reverse splitters than LSN would have you think. I don't see any reason why the 168 rule won't hold up.

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby KevinP » Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:32 pm

Also, for WUSTL:
First-year enrollment fell from 276 to 245, which is slightly more than an 11% decrease. Also, another thing I thought was interesting: Minority enrollment fell from 104 to 66, which is slightly higher than 36% decrease. In relation to the overall drop, minorities now make up 27% of the entering class whereas for the entering class of 2010, they made up 38% of the entering class.

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby Kabuo » Tue Sep 13, 2011 6:24 pm

disco_stu wrote:WUSTL numbers are up. GPA 3.2/3.7/3.8, LSAT 162/168/169. Median GPA is the same, LSAT median and 75% iare both +1.

What does this mean for 168ers who are applying this fall - can we still count on the $60-75k scholarships they gave out to this group last fall, or should I start looking for another target school?


Big lol @ the GPA 25th. That's down .1 right? My 3.2's contribution to the numbers.

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby Real Madrid » Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:18 pm

disco_stu wrote:WUSTL numbers are up. GPA 3.2/3.7/3.8, LSAT 162/168/169. Median GPA is the same, LSAT median and 75% iare both +1.

What does this mean for 168ers who are applying this fall - can we still count on the $60-75k scholarships they gave out to this group last fall, or should I start looking for another target school?



Look at both of the 25th numbers. Unless my reasoning is way off, it looks to me like they've boosted their medians by taking lots of splitters. I mean, their 25th GPA is half of a point off of their median GPA. That's pretty huge for a top-25 school.

Bottom line: Yes, I think you stand a good shot again this cycle.

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby HyeMart » Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:22 pm

according to the school paper, GW's median LSAT is still 167

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby minnbills » Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:26 pm

Real Madrid wrote:
disco_stu wrote:WUSTL numbers are up. GPA 3.2/3.7/3.8, LSAT 162/168/169. Median GPA is the same, LSAT median and 75% iare both +1.

What does this mean for 168ers who are applying this fall - can we still count on the $60-75k scholarships they gave out to this group last fall, or should I start looking for another target school?



Look at both of the 25th numbers. Unless my reasoning is way off, it looks to me like they've boosted their medians by taking lots of splitters. I mean, their 25th GPA is half of a point off of their median GPA. That's pretty huge for a top-25 school.

Bottom line: Yes, I think you stand a good shot again this cycle.


I think the midwestern T25s are becoming more and more reliant on splitters to keep their medians competitive with schools on the coasts, MN is another example.




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