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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby minnbills » Fri Sep 09, 2011 2:43 pm

Michigan has more lay prestige than Penn IMO.

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby 071816 » Fri Sep 09, 2011 2:44 pm

KevinP wrote:
freestallion wrote:But... Penn is warmer. And an IVY :P

Wait... I didn't realize state schools could be IVYs.


SUNY Ithaca is.

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby freestallion » Fri Sep 09, 2011 2:45 pm

minnbills wrote:Michigan has more lay prestige than Penn IMO.


Lol.. I am from Jersey so everyone there knows what Penn is, and Michigan is just thought of as a far-away-cold-place :P

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby minnbills » Fri Sep 09, 2011 2:46 pm

freestallion wrote:
minnbills wrote:Michigan has more lay prestige than Penn IMO.


Lol.. I am from Jersey so everyone there knows what Penn is, and Michigan is just thought of as a far-away-cold-place :P


See I'm from Minnesota, people get Penn confused with Penn St. Everyone here knows about Michigan though.

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby Tiago Splitter » Fri Sep 09, 2011 3:13 pm

As someone who has never visited either school, I'd take Penn over Michigan based on placement.

Virginia also deserves credit for the big-time GPA median. Reverse-splitter gold.

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby anstone1988 » Fri Sep 09, 2011 3:24 pm

freestallion wrote:But... Penn is warmer. And an IVY :P


I thought that Penn was part public like Cornell; I thought that only Wharton was Ivy ;)

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby Real Madrid » Fri Sep 09, 2011 4:10 pm

Tiago Splitter wrote:As someone who has never visited either school, I'd take Penn over Michigan based on placement.

Virginia also deserves credit for the big-time GPA median. Reverse-splitter gold.



Yeah, UVA and Penn have the same medians. Last year, too.

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby soj » Fri Sep 09, 2011 4:11 pm

anstone1988 wrote:I thought that Penn was part public like SUNY Ithaca; I thought that only Wharton was Ivy ;)

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby 4910 » Fri Sep 09, 2011 4:24 pm

yeah i used to live in pennsylvania and even there ppl confusued upenn and penn state. from now on, everyone from upenn needs to say "i go to upenn, the ivy league" instead of just saying "i go to penn".

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby freestallion » Fri Sep 09, 2011 4:34 pm

4910 wrote:yeah i used to live in pennsylvania and even there ppl confusued upenn and penn state. from now on, everyone from upenn needs to say "i go to upenn, the ivy league" instead of just saying "i go to penn".


I actually met a guy who said that to me... I just thought he sounded like a pretentious d-bag :roll:

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby beachbum » Fri Sep 09, 2011 5:29 pm

freestallion wrote:
4910 wrote:yeah i used to live in pennsylvania and even there ppl confusued upenn and penn state. from now on, everyone from upenn needs to say "i go to upenn, the ivy league" instead of just saying "i go to penn".


I actually met a guy who said that to me... I just thought he sounded like a pretentious d-bag :roll:


in your defense, that is an objectively douchey thing to say

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby KibblesAndVick » Fri Sep 09, 2011 6:18 pm

Harvard's website has the 25th/75th for the class of 2014 up - http://www.law.harvard.edu/prospective/ ... ofile.html

LSAT
25th - 171 (No change)
75th - 176 (No change)

GPA
25th - 3.79 (+0.01)
75th - 3.97 (+0.01)

Applications down from 7,610 to 6,364. Admission offers up from 833 to 842. Percentage offered admission up from 11% to 13%.

I don't see anything on the new medians. This is a link for the Google cache of the 2013 page - http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... clnk&gl=us

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby KibblesAndVick » Fri Sep 09, 2011 6:26 pm

Anyone want to speculate on how Harvard had 1,200+ fewer applicants but managed to keep their LSAT 25/75 unchanged and raised their GPA 25/75? Was the drop in applicants primarily from less qualified candidates? Did they use more splitters to game the numbers? Are college GPAs continually rising due to grade inflation?

Also, if anyone can find/reveal Harvard's new medians it would be much appreciated.

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby minnbills » Fri Sep 09, 2011 6:35 pm

I'm guessing people who weren't well qualified applied in smaller numbers than the last cycle.

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby Real Madrid » Fri Sep 09, 2011 6:39 pm

KibblesAndVick wrote:Anyone want to speculate on how Harvard had 1,200+ fewer applicants but managed to keep their LSAT 25/75 unchanged and raised their GPA 25/75? Was the drop in applicants primarily from less qualified candidates? Did they use more splitters to game the numbers? Are college GPAs continually rising due to grade inflation?

Also, if anyone can find/reveal Harvard's new medians it would be much appreciated.


I was just thinking about this. I'm wondering if the top schools were less picky among applicants with stellar numbers this past year. For instance, they were perhaps willing to take more of the applicants with great numbers regardless of their softs. In years past, Harvard and Yale had their pick of the litter, and they could be picky about undergraduate representation, past experiences, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if the number of their students with prior work experience declined, for instance. I also wouldn't be surprised if they had fewer Truman Scholars, Goldwater Scholars, etc.

It seems logical that they would sacrifice softs before student numerical quality for as long as possible. Eventually, though, their medians will have to drop if test takers continue to drop (and people start heeding the advice coming from so many sources).

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby KremeCheez » Fri Sep 09, 2011 9:14 pm

minnbills wrote:Michigan has more lay prestige than Penn IMO.


Which begs the question - what would the rankings look like if they were lay prestige based?
Princeton Law would no doubt be in the top 5...

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby NYC Law » Fri Sep 09, 2011 9:33 pm

KremeCheez wrote:
minnbills wrote:Michigan has more lay prestige than Penn IMO.


Which begs the question - what would the rankings look like if they were lay prestige based?
Princeton Law would no doubt be in the top 5...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_th ... dern_usage

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby r6_philly » Fri Sep 09, 2011 10:15 pm

4910 wrote:yeah i used to live in pennsylvania and even there ppl confusued upenn and penn state. from now on, everyone from upenn needs to say "i go to upenn, the ivy league" instead of just saying "i go to penn".


People who matter, know the difference.

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby r6_philly » Fri Sep 09, 2011 10:17 pm

Real Madrid wrote:
KibblesAndVick wrote:Anyone want to speculate on how Harvard had 1,200+ fewer applicants but managed to keep their LSAT 25/75 unchanged and raised their GPA 25/75? Was the drop in applicants primarily from less qualified candidates? Did they use more splitters to game the numbers? Are college GPAs continually rising due to grade inflation?

Also, if anyone can find/reveal Harvard's new medians it would be much appreciated.


I was just thinking about this. I'm wondering if the top schools were less picky among applicants with stellar numbers this past year. For instance, they were perhaps willing to take more of the applicants with great numbers regardless of their softs. In years past, Harvard and Yale had their pick of the litter, and they could be picky about undergraduate representation, past experiences, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if the number of their students with prior work experience declined, for instance. I also wouldn't be surprised if they had fewer Truman Scholars, Goldwater Scholars, etc.

It seems logical that they would sacrifice softs before student numerical quality for as long as possible. Eventually, though, their medians will have to drop if test takers continue to drop (and people start heeding the advice coming from so many sources).


The very significant rise in the increase in straight-through kids lends support to your conclusion.

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby 1988AndX » Fri Sep 09, 2011 10:45 pm

r6_philly wrote:
Real Madrid wrote:
KibblesAndVick wrote:Anyone want to speculate on how Harvard had 1,200+ fewer applicants but managed to keep their LSAT 25/75 unchanged and raised their GPA 25/75? Was the drop in applicants primarily from less qualified candidates? Did they use more splitters to game the numbers? Are college GPAs continually rising due to grade inflation?

Also, if anyone can find/reveal Harvard's new medians it would be much appreciated.


I was just thinking about this. I'm wondering if the top schools were less picky among applicants with stellar numbers this past year. For instance, they were perhaps willing to take more of the applicants with great numbers regardless of their softs. In years past, Harvard and Yale had their pick of the litter, and they could be picky about undergraduate representation, past experiences, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if the number of their students with prior work experience declined, for instance. I also wouldn't be surprised if they had fewer Truman Scholars, Goldwater Scholars, etc.

It seems logical that they would sacrifice softs before student numerical quality for as long as possible. Eventually, though, their medians will have to drop if test takers continue to drop (and people start heeding the advice coming from so many sources).


The very significant rise in the increase in straight-through kids lends support to your conclusion.


24% for the Class of 2014 vs 28% for the Class of 2013; looks like a decrease to me.

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby Nom Sawyer » Fri Sep 09, 2011 11:04 pm

1988AndX wrote:
r6_philly wrote:
The very significant rise in the increase in straight-through kids lends support to your conclusion.


24% for the Class of 2014 vs 28% for the Class of 2013; looks like a decrease to me.


Yeah actually I think its more of the fact that 7000 v. 8000 students isn't that much of a difference in terms of a class of 550. You're going to be able to pick pretty easily out of that based on whatever metrics (numbers and softs) that you want.

For example Class of 2012 and earlier were much closer to 50% straight out of college, but Class of 2013 had 28% straight through and now Class of 2014 had only 24% straight through. This fact (which seems to be influenced by JR's choices in admits) combined with the rising medians seems to suggest that Harvard is still putting a decent amount of consideration towards softs once a certain numbers bar has been met.

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby Blessedassurance » Sat Sep 10, 2011 12:07 am

I'm gonna be a bigger man and apologize for derailing this thread and the cheap shot at WUSTL. Really tacky. Now if we could get back on track...actually, we're already back on track. Cheers!

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby r6_philly » Sat Sep 10, 2011 12:20 am

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby r6_philly » Sat Sep 10, 2011 12:21 am

Sorry. I was referred to other schools

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby anstone1988 » Sat Sep 10, 2011 12:29 am

Nom Sawyer wrote:
1988AndX wrote:
r6_philly wrote:
The very significant rise in the increase in straight-through kids lends support to your conclusion.


24% for the Class of 2014 vs 28% for the Class of 2013; looks like a decrease to me.


Yeah actually I think its more of the fact that 7000 v. 8000 students isn't that much of a difference in terms of a class of 550. You're going to be able to pick pretty easily out of that based on whatever metrics (numbers and softs) that you want.

For example Class of 2012 and earlier were much closer to 50% straight out of college, but Class of 2013 had 28% straight through and now Class of 2014 had only 24% straight through. This fact (which seems to be influenced by JR's choices in admits) combined with the rising medians seems to suggest that Harvard is still putting a decent amount of consideration towards softs once a certain numbers bar has been met.


Does the increase in emphasis on WE mean that it's getting harder for splitters w/o WE to get in, or does it mean that 3.95+/175+'s w/o WE are getting dinged more often as well?




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