ITT: New School Medians Revealed

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby KevinP » Tue Sep 06, 2011 2:58 pm

Strange wrote:I just called Cornell and they said incoming 2011 medians are

168 (no change)
3.66 (3.70)

you can call to confirm if you want

So that's a .04 drop in GPA. How I feel right now:
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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby Robespierre » Tue Sep 06, 2011 3:00 pm

Chief Littlebighead wrote:Temple Law (per their website)
Entering 2011 class
#s in parenthesis were last year's figures

GPA
25th: 3.16 (3.2)
Median: 3.39 (3.44)
75th: 3.56 (3.6)

LSAT
25th: 158 (159)
Median: 160 (161)
75th: 163 (164)

Source: http://www.law.temple.edu/Pages/Prospec ... _Clas.aspx


Whoa, huge class reduction, from 326 to 270.

EDIT: Oops, sorry, Kevin beat me to it.

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby minnbills » Tue Sep 06, 2011 3:06 pm

Sweet, I'm only about .2 from Cornell's GPA median!

Still a WL probs but it makes me feel better.

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby KevinP » Tue Sep 06, 2011 3:10 pm

minnbills wrote:Sweet, I'm only about .2 from Cornell's GPA median!

Still a WL probs but it makes me feel better.

Potentially, but at least your chances of getting in slightly increased! I'm really happy because I just went from being below Cornell's GPA median to being above it. Strange, I really hope you aren't trolling us.

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby minnbills » Tue Sep 06, 2011 3:17 pm

KevinP wrote:
minnbills wrote:Sweet, I'm only about .2 from Cornell's GPA median!

Still a WL probs but it makes me feel better.

Potentially, but at least your chances of getting in slightly increased! I'm really happy because I just went from being below Cornell's GPA median to being above it. Strange, I really hope you aren't trolling us.


Yeah that would be so cold hearted...

Hopefully the adcomm gods at Cornell smile on upward GPA trends this year... a guy can dream!

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby confusedlaw » Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:10 pm

cornells medians still scare me -1 on lsat median but now i am above the gpa median by .04 damn

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby minnbills » Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:11 pm

confusedlaw wrote:cornells medians still scare me -1 on lsat median but now i am above the gpa median by .04 damn


I would rather be in your shoes than mine, 168 3.44

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby confusedlaw » Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:11 pm

eh lsat is king

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby Strange » Tue Sep 06, 2011 6:27 pm

Call them yourselves tomorrow if you dont believe me.

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby Kabuo » Tue Sep 06, 2011 7:02 pm

It really bothers me when schools that waitlisted me post falling medians. Hello! I'm that >3.0 splitter that would have paid sticker!

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby avemundi » Tue Sep 06, 2011 10:41 pm

Btw, is it normal for a school's median to be the same as its 75% number? Gawwdd, Penn, why'd you have to jump a number :(

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby Bildungsroman » Tue Sep 06, 2011 10:44 pm

avemundi wrote:Btw, is it normal for a school's median to be the same as its 75% number? Gawwdd, Penn, why'd you have to jump a number :(

It can happen. Cornell, for example, had for its entering class in 2010 a 168 median and a 168 75th percentile. I think most schools have a broader LSAT range though.

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby Tiago Splitter » Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:26 pm

avemundi wrote:Btw, is it normal for a school's median to be the same as its 75% number? Gawwdd, Penn, why'd you have to jump a number :(


Relax. There are only so many 171s to go around. I'd be willing to bet that within 10 students below the median the number is down to 170, and then it falls off quickly from there (to 166 at the 25th). If they are really at 166/171/171 and apps continue to decline, they could very easily end up back at 170 next year.

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby minnbills » Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:31 pm

Minnesota just posted:

158-167-167
3.42-3.8-3.9

EDIT: class size 245, not sure what it was last year

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby Jack Smirks » Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:34 pm

minnbills wrote:Minnesota just posted: 158-167-167

LOL @ their 25th.

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby minnbills » Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:35 pm

Jack Smirks wrote:
minnbills wrote:Minnesota just posted: 158-167-167

LOL @ their 25th.


Yeah but a median GPA of 3.8 is pretty impressive. I wonder how much of the class is made up of splitters and reverse splitters?

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby Tiago Splitter » Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:38 pm

minnbills wrote:
Jack Smirks wrote:
minnbills wrote:Minnesota just posted: 158-167-167

LOL @ their 25th.


Yeah but a median GPA of 3.8 is pretty impressive. I wonder how much of the class is made up of splitters and reverse splitters?


A very large part of it. Only way to get those kinds of numbers.

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby minnbills » Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:39 pm

Yeah, a 25th of 158 is not good for a T20. I think the job market and the poor biglaw presence in MN has really hurt them.

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby Tiago Splitter » Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:41 pm

They were 159 last year I believe. Is there any kind of in state quota?

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby minnbills » Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:45 pm

Tiago Splitter wrote:They were 159 last year I believe. Is there any kind of in state quota?


I think there might be, I remember hearing something about the legislature requiring a certian in-state presence to maintain funding. I do know in-staters have an advantage.

All of the highly qualified minnesotans I know (170+ 3.7+) leave for T14s too.

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby KevinP » Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:45 am

To be honest, and assuming Cornell did experience a .04 drop in GPA, I'm kind of worried about Cornell's spot in the T14 since some of these lower ranked schools are overpassing it numbers-wise. Then again, a majority of the lower-ranked schools maintained or boosted their medians mostly by decreasing the incoming class size. I'd like to see them try that again this year.

Bildungsroman wrote:
avemundi wrote:Btw, is it normal for a school's median to be the same as its 75% number? Gawwdd, Penn, why'd you have to jump a number :(

It can happen. Cornell, for example, had for its entering class in 2010 a 168 median and a 168 75th percentile. I think most schools have a broader LSAT range though.

I'm guessing you're going off the initial data Cornell released since Cornell initially posted a 168 for its 75th percentile but then revised it to a 169 and currently both the ABA profile and U.S. News reflect the 169 as the 75th percentile.

ETA: Just realized Cornell still lists a median of 3.7 while listing a 168 as the 75th percentile. According to U.S. News and the ABA guide, Cornell's median GPA is 3.68 while its 75th percentile LSAT is a 169.
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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby KevinP » Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:47 am

minnbills wrote:Minnesota just posted:

158-167-167
3.42-3.8-3.9

EDIT: class size 245, not sure what it was last year


Last year's entering class size was 260 which means the 245 is almost a 6% decrease. Also, massive lol @ the 158.

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby Moomoo2u » Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:50 am

how big is the decrease in law school apps/enrollment?

goud nooze?

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby Tiago Splitter » Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:51 am

Moomoo2u wrote:how big is the decrease in law school apps/enrollment?

goud nooze?


I don't know, but if anyone does, it's KevinP.

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Re: ITT: New School Medians Revealed

Postby KevinP » Wed Sep 07, 2011 1:04 am

Moomoo2u wrote:how big is the decrease in law school apps/enrollment?

goud nooze?

It is still too early to say in terms of enrollment, but the data released so far by schools indicates a significant drop in enrollment. As far as applicants, Fall 2010 had 87,500 applicants while Fall 2011 had 78,900 applicants, which is a 9.9% decrease. Interestingly enough, the number of LSATs administered went from 171,500 for 2009-2010 to 155,050 for 2010-2011, which is a 9.6% decrease.*

Source: http://www.lsac.org/LSACResources/Data/ ... ummary.asp

*These numbers are based on Preliminary End-of-Year and not on Final End-of-Year.

Tiago Splitter wrote:I don't know, but if anyone does, it's KevinP.

Haha, thanks for the honorable mention.
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