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New York Law School being sued by former students

Postby MTal » Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:22 pm

New York Law School Sued by Students Over Claims About Graduates’ Success

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-1 ... ccess.html

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Re: New York Law School being sued by former students

Postby scammedhard » Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:26 pm

This is awesome. I hope these grads get some justice.

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MTal:

This not just a lawsuit against NYLS; Cooley is also involved. And the plaintiffs are also seeking "class action" status:

The lawsuit, filed today in New York, and a second suit filed in Michigan against Thomas M. Cooley Law School, claim the schools knowingly inflated employment and salary statistics to recruit and retain students. The complaints were filed by three New York law graduates and four Cooley graduates seeking to represent all current and former students at both schools.

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Re: New York Law School being sued by former students

Postby WestOfTheRest » Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:44 pm

Lol at the irony of these schools training their own demise.

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Re: New York Law School being sued by former students

Postby Samara » Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:52 pm

Maybe Cooley can add another category to its rankings: Number of Times Involved in a Lawsuit on Employment Statistics

This is at least their second one this year, well outpacing Harvard. I predict a #1 ranking in their future.

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Re: New York Law School being sued by former students

Postby Helmholtz » Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:59 pm

CastleRock wrote:Lol at the irony of these schools training their own demise.


Attorneys for the students:

David Anziska - UMichigan Law grad, cum laude
Jesse Strauss - Brooklyn Law grad, graduated with honors, Art III clerkship

Frankly, if I graduated from Cooley or NYLS, I wouldn't trust my own legal skills either.

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Re: New York Law School being sued by former students

Postby observationalist » Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:06 pm

Helmholtz wrote:
CastleRock wrote:Lol at the irony of these schools training their own demise.


Attorneys for the students:

David Anziska - UMichigan Law grad, cum laude
Jesse Strauss - Brooklyn Law grad, graduated with honors, Art III clerkship

Frankly, if I graduated from Cooley or NYLS, I wouldn't trust my own legal skills either.


Although note, for the Michigan case they have retained a Cooley grad as local counsel. This appears to have been intentional as it is explicitly referenced in the firm's press release. I would expect it's something ATL will pick up on seeing as they were all over Cooley for not retaining their own grads in filing the preemptive claim against Kurzon Strauss.

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Postby 071816 » Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:11 pm

Good

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Postby emciosn » Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:13 pm

I think these law suits are the only thing that is going to bring about change in the way things are currently being done. Obviously the ABA isn't going to to do anything, I mean, approving another Cooley campus? Are you serious?

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Re: New York Law School being sued by former students

Postby MTal » Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:04 am

Someone should post this link in the NYLS 2013/2014 forums.

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Re: New York Law School being sued by former students

Postby bport hopeful » Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:06 am

Helmholtz wrote:
CastleRock wrote:Lol at the irony of these schools training their own demise.


Attorneys for the students:

David Anziska - UMichigan Law grad, cum laude
Jesse Strauss - Brooklyn Law grad, graduated with honors, Art III clerkship

Frankly, if I graduated from Cooley or NYLS, I wouldn't trust my own legal skills either.

BAHAHAHAHA this is the funniest thing Ive ever heard.

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Re: New York Law School being sued by former students

Postby Nacirema » Fri Aug 12, 2011 2:54 am

+1

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Re: New York Law School being sued by former students

Postby flcath » Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:49 am

'bout fucking time.

I have no idea what the legal merits of this case are (anyone here looked at this closely? my off-hand opinion is that it seems weak), but I sure as hell hope they win.

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Re: New York Law School being sued by former students

Postby shoeshine » Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:00 am

I am going to sue powerball (and my state for regulating it). They show examples of people who won on their website. I thought I would be rich like those people I saw on the website.

I know it said odds of winning on the ticket and there were countless websites and media sources that warned against the dangers of gambling but I should be compensated.

::Reaches out hand:: Money please!

:roll:

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Re: New York Law School being sued by former students

Postby flcath » Fri Aug 12, 2011 6:26 am

shoeshine wrote:I am going to sue powerball (and my state for regulating it). They show examples of people who won on their website. I thought I would be rich like those people I saw on the website.

I know it said odds of winning on the ticket and there were countless websites and media sources that warned against the dangers of gambling but I should be compensated.

::Reaches out hand:: Money please!

:roll:

The lottery is one of very few government activities that earns a flat-out profit.

In our situation (law schools), the more apt analogy would be one where the government loans you $200,000 to blow in Vegas... and yeah, that shouldn't be allowed.

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Re: New York Law School being sued by former students

Postby Wade LeBosh » Fri Aug 12, 2011 8:40 am

flcath wrote:
shoeshine wrote:I am going to sue powerball (and my state for regulating it). They show examples of people who won on their website. I thought I would be rich like those people I saw on the website.

I know it said odds of winning on the ticket and there were countless websites and media sources that warned against the dangers of gambling but I should be compensated.

::Reaches out hand:: Money please!

:roll:

The lottery is one of very few government activities that earns a flat-out profit.

In our situation (law schools), the more apt analogy would be one where the government loans you $200,000 to blow in Vegas... and yeah, that shouldn't be allowed.


That wouldn't be a bad a idea if you're really good at poker. Maybe the government guaranteed loans should come with a min. standardized test score. (160+?)

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Re: New York Law School being sued by former students

Postby bport hopeful » Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:38 am

shoeshine wrote:I am going to sue powerball (and my state for regulating it). They show examples of people who won on their website. I thought I would be rich like those people I saw on the website.

I know it said odds of winning on the ticket and there were countless websites and media sources that warned against the dangers of gambling but I should be compensated.

::Reaches out hand:: Money please!

:roll:

This is totally different.

Would be more like if your state told you the odds of winning were 50/50.

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Postby bjsesq » Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:42 am

shoeshine wrote:I am going to sue powerball (and my state for regulating it). They show examples of people who won on their website. I thought I would be rich like those people I saw on the website.

I know it said odds of winning on the ticket and there were countless websites and media sources that warned against the dangers of gambling but I should be compensated.

::Reaches out hand:: Money please!

:roll:


Congrats on your absurdly retarded analogy of the day award. Put it on your fucking mantle.

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Re: New York Law School being sued by former students

Postby NeedtoStudy » Fri Aug 12, 2011 1:34 pm

bport hopeful wrote:
shoeshine wrote:I am going to sue powerball (and my state for regulating it). They show examples of people who won on their website. I thought I would be rich like those people I saw on the website.

I know it said odds of winning on the ticket and there were countless websites and media sources that warned against the dangers of gambling but I should be compensated.

::Reaches out hand:: Money please!

:roll:

This is totally different.

Would be more like if your state told you the odds of winning were 50/50.


This.

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Re: New York Law School being sued by former students

Postby shoeshine » Fri Aug 12, 2011 1:51 pm

bport hopeful wrote:
shoeshine wrote:I am going to sue powerball (and my state for regulating it). They show examples of people who won on their website. I thought I would be rich like those people I saw on the website.

I know it said odds of winning on the ticket and there were countless websites and media sources that warned against the dangers of gambling but I should be compensated.

::Reaches out hand:: Money please!

:roll:

This is totally different.

Would be more like if your state told you the odds of winning were 50/50.


Obviously my analogy was a hyperbole but I understand what you are saying. The problem is the way they report their employment and salary data. Maybe there should be some regulation to make that data more transparent.

However, I would hesitate to suggest that the schools are the only ones to blame here. The schools had no control over the economy. There needs to be some personal responsibility taken by these graduates. A JD is not, and has never been, a job guarantee.

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Re: New York Law School being sued by former students

Postby scammedhard » Fri Aug 12, 2011 2:02 pm

shoeshine wrote:Obviously my analogy was a hyperbole but I understand what you are saying. The problem is the way they report their employment and salary data. Maybe there should be some regulation to make that data more transparent.

However, I would hesitate to suggest that the schools are the only ones to blame here. The schools had no control over the economy. There needs to be some personal responsibility taken by these graduates. A JD is not, and has never been, a job guarantee.

And what about the "personal responsibility" of the schools? Don't they have to be responsible for providing an accurate, TRUTHFUL picture of the labor market for recent graduates?

Many of these graduates are jobless and buried in debt; so they are suffering the consequences of carelessness. The schools, not so much.

Why is it that when "personal responsibility" is invoked is always to excuse some sort of scam perpetrated by the big, powerful and wealthy to the not so big, powerful and wealthy?

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Re: New York Law School being sued by former students

Postby glitter178 » Fri Aug 12, 2011 2:07 pm

shoeshine wrote:
bport hopeful wrote:
shoeshine wrote:I am going to sue powerball (and my state for regulating it). They show examples of people who won on their website. I thought I would be rich like those people I saw on the website.

I know it said odds of winning on the ticket and there were countless websites and media sources that warned against the dangers of gambling but I should be compensated.

::Reaches out hand:: Money please!

:roll:

This is totally different.

Would be more like if your state told you the odds of winning were 50/50.


Obviously my analogy was a hyperbole but I understand what you are saying. The problem is the way they report their employment and salary data. Maybe there should be some regulation to make that data more transparent.

However, I would hesitate to suggest that the schools are the only ones to blame here. The schools had no control over the economy. There needs to be some personal responsibility taken by these graduates. A JD is not, and has never been, a job guarantee.


I don't agree. Sure, students should probably investigate their job prospects a bit more deeply than just perusing that one page on the school's admissions site that gives employment statistics. However, legal employment and its rules and regulations keep it largely shrouded in mystery until it's too late.

Schools need to report accurate and transparent employment data, even when that employment data is bad. When we applied, we were required to disclose everything about ourselves... including the bad stuff. If it was later found out (in C&F, for example,) that we failed to disclose certain information about ourselves, there would likely be consequences.

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Re: New York Law School being sued by former students

Postby bport hopeful » Fri Aug 12, 2011 2:48 pm

shoeshine wrote:
bport hopeful wrote:
shoeshine wrote:I am going to sue powerball (and my state for regulating it). They show examples of people who won on their website. I thought I would be rich like those people I saw on the website.

I know it said odds of winning on the ticket and there were countless websites and media sources that warned against the dangers of gambling but I should be compensated.

::Reaches out hand:: Money please!

:roll:

This is totally different.

Would be more like if your state told you the odds of winning were 50/50.


Obviously my analogy was a hyperbole but I understand what you are saying. The problem is the way they report their employment and salary data. Maybe there should be some regulation to make that data more transparent.

However, I would hesitate to suggest that the schools are the only ones to blame here. The schools had no control over the economy. There needs to be some personal responsibility taken by these graduates. A JD is not, and has never been, a job guarantee.

This is completely different from what you said though. Not the un-hyperbolized version of your belief.




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