GPA floors Forum
- Wade LeBosh
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GPA floors
Which top schools have known hard GPA floors and what are they? I've heard about a GPA floor at UVA, but I haven't seen a consistent number.
- Kabuo
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Re: GPA floors
Floor at UVA is 3.0, which holds for most of the T14. I think it's more like 3.7 for H, 3.8ish for Y and S, and maybe 3.3 at CCN (although there are certainly exceptions to this, especially the CCN one).
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Re: GPA floors
Stanford certainly doesn't have a "hard" floor at 3.8, it is more about your accomplishments once your GPA goes below median. Yale is probably similar, although I don't know as much since I didn't apply.Kabuo wrote:Floor at UVA is 3.0, which holds for most of the T14. I think it's more like 3.7 for H, 3.8ish for Y and S, and maybe 3.3 at CCN (although there are certainly exceptions to this, especially the CCN one).
I generally agree with the rest.
OP - to clarify your question, these "hard floors" are completely inapplicable for URMs. If you are majority or ORM then they will apply.Wade LeBosh wrote:Which top schools have known hard GPA floors and what are they? I've heard about a GPA floor at UVA, but I haven't seen a consistent number.
It's hard to define a floor for a URM candidate because there are by nature far fewer of them with competitive stats. In the T14 there have been reported URM acceptances below the 3.0 GPA floor
- Flustercluck
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Re: GPA floors
I think you may be overestimating the URM boost, or at least how it's applied. I'm a sub-3.0 URM splitter and from the research I've done on LSN the 3.0 floor applies to URMs in most of the T14 save for at Northwestern and in some circumstances Gtown.bdubs wrote:It's hard to define a floor for a URM candidate because there are by nature far fewer of them with competitive stats. In the T14 there have been reported URM acceptances below the 3.0 GPA floor
URMs below 3.0 in past 3 cycles according to LSN
Mich - 1
VA - 3, 0 this year
Penn - 2 2.9s in 08-09, none in past two cycles
Duke - 1 in 08-09, no one below 3.3 in past two cycles
Cornell -4 in 08-09, none in past two cycles
- akili
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Re: GPA floors
Texas has a pretty solid GPA floor around 3.5
http://texas.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats ... Cycle=1011
http://texas.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats ... Cycle=1011
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- Grizz
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Re: GPA floors
Vandy has a fairly hard 3.3 unless you did engineering or a similarly less deflated major.
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Re: GPA floors
I'm particularly interested in GPA floor for CCN.
Can anyone else confirm that it's 3.3? Thanks
Can anyone else confirm that it's 3.3? Thanks
- Moxie
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Re: GPA floors
Look at Lawschoolnumbers.com, that's where everyone else is going to get their data, you might as well look and analyze yourself.
eli88 wrote:I'm particularly interested in GPA floor for CCN.
Can anyone else confirm that it's 3.3? Thanks
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Re: GPA floors
Short answer: as suggested, LSN.
Long answer: I doubt many of these schools have actual hard floors; it just looks that way. It's more that they stack the pile in descending order of admission index, work their way down, and stop when they run out of seats. In hindsight it may appear there was a "floor," but that just happens to be where they stopped; and where they stop goes up or down depending on overall volume, whether they're trying to shrink or grow the class, and stuff they can't control like grade inflation. Schools are also all over the place on how they handle diversity, legacy, ED, EA, early start, and other out of band admits, so that also makes it unlikely you can define anything that looks like a cutoff until after the season ends.
Long answer: I doubt many of these schools have actual hard floors; it just looks that way. It's more that they stack the pile in descending order of admission index, work their way down, and stop when they run out of seats. In hindsight it may appear there was a "floor," but that just happens to be where they stopped; and where they stop goes up or down depending on overall volume, whether they're trying to shrink or grow the class, and stuff they can't control like grade inflation. Schools are also all over the place on how they handle diversity, legacy, ED, EA, early start, and other out of band admits, so that also makes it unlikely you can define anything that looks like a cutoff until after the season ends.
- Kabuo
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Re: GPA floors
So, effectively, it's a floor, but it's really not a floor?Gideon Strumpet wrote:Short answer: as suggested, LSN.
Long answer: I doubt many of these schools have actual hard floors; it just looks that way. It's more that they stack the pile in descending order of admission index, work their way down, and stop when they run out of seats. In hindsight it may appear there was a "floor," but that just happens to be where they stopped; and where they stop goes up or down depending on overall volume, whether they're trying to shrink or grow the class, and stuff they can't control like grade inflation. Schools are also all over the place on how they handle diversity, legacy, ED, EA, early start, and other out of band admits, so that also makes it unlikely you can define anything that looks like a cutoff until after the season ends.
- akili
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Re: GPA floors
lol. I was thinking the same thing.Kabuo wrote:So, effectively, it's a floor, but it's really not a floor?Gideon Strumpet wrote:Short answer: as suggested, LSN.
Long answer: I doubt many of these schools have actual hard floors; it just looks that way. It's more that they stack the pile in descending order of admission index, work their way down, and stop when they run out of seats. In hindsight it may appear there was a "floor," but that just happens to be where they stopped; and where they stop goes up or down depending on overall volume, whether they're trying to shrink or grow the class, and stuff they can't control like grade inflation. Schools are also all over the place on how they handle diversity, legacy, ED, EA, early start, and other out of band admits, so that also makes it unlikely you can define anything that looks like a cutoff until after the season ends.
- Kimchi_smile
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Re: GPA floors
If your GPA is at the floor level, I think you have to get an LSAT above the median for a certain T13 school to be given a serious consideration...
By the way, a 3.3 is too low for CCN. A 3.5 seems more reasonable.
By the way, a 3.3 is too low for CCN. A 3.5 seems more reasonable.
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Re: GPA floors
Maybe this will make it easier: There is no floor.Kabuo wrote:So, effectively, it's a floor, but it's really not a floor?
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- Kabuo
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Re: GPA floors
Nah, it was better before. Now it's just misleading.Gideon Strumpet wrote:Maybe this will make it easier: There is no floor.Kabuo wrote:So, effectively, it's a floor, but it's really not a floor?
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Yeah, truth is funny that way.Kabuo wrote:Nah, it was better before. Now it's just misleading.
- Kabuo
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Re: GPA floors
Explaining that the floor isn't really a "floor" because it comes about as an effect of their actual admissions policies, and not as some predetermined floor, does not in any way change the fact that, effectively, there are floors at these schools. Yes, some of them vary slightly from year to year, but all prospective applicants need to know is that there are floors. They don't need you to conjecture about why the floor exists. They just need to know it does.Gideon Strumpet wrote:Yeah, truth is funny that way.Kabuo wrote:Nah, it was better before. Now it's just misleading.
I think you're just trying to be cute, but if your stance is that there are not floors, you're just wrong.
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Re: GPA floors
Kabuo wrote:I think you're just trying to be cute, but if your stance is that there arenotfloors, you're just wrong.
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