Warning: Be Nice to 4th Tier Law Schools!

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Re: Warning: Be Nice to 4th Tier Law Schools!

Postby Knock » Mon May 02, 2011 4:16 pm

I don't see how writing a stern email to someone would get an admission rescinded, even if one used less than polite language.

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Re: Warning: Be Nice to 4th Tier Law Schools!

Postby niederbomb » Mon May 02, 2011 4:18 pm

weejonbu wrote:OP, copy and paste the actual e-mail so that everyone's curiosity is laid to rest.

In a related note, I wrote a similar comment in one of the Pre-Law magazine issues that was released. Of course, the comment went under "review" and was never posted. So sick of the pre-law deceptions going on everywhere.


Fine:

Isn't enough enough? Do you think spamming me after I asked you to stop will make me more likely to apply to your for-profit law school? Your school is little more than a collection of desperate scam artists who hoodwink unwitting college graduates into forking out six-figures of debt for terrible to nonexistent employment prospects. And you are desperate because law school applications are plummetting, so you keep extending your deadline and spamming people who are clearly not interested. I suggest you take a lesson from the home loan mortgage companies who did something similar to what you are doing, or Florida Coastal might become the new AIG.

Cheers,

Attending a Real Law School
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Re: Warning: Be Nice to 4th Tier Law Schools!

Postby tooswolle » Mon May 02, 2011 4:19 pm

DeeCee wrote:Although I believe that your actions will always come back to you in some way, positive or negative, I think law schools act pretty crazy when it comes to admissions. They come on forums to read what future students say, and then call/email them about it if they don't like it and find out who they are (happened in UNC thread). T4's are contacting schools about you, OP. T14s sometimes call other schools to see what offers you have gotten in comparison to their offer (see UMich blog).

It's all very frustrating to me, although I don't think your choice of words was good, niederbomb


I gotta say that is pretty trippy when you think about the level of communication all the schools have with each other and their ability to track you down. Thankfully I don't say things id be ashamed of.. LOL

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Re: Warning: Be Nice to 4th Tier Law Schools!

Postby Knock » Mon May 02, 2011 4:22 pm

niederbomb wrote:
weejonbu wrote:OP, copy and paste the actual e-mail so that everyone's curiosity is laid to rest.

In a related note, I wrote a similar comment in one of the Pre-Law magazine issues that was released. Of course, the comment went under "review" and was never posted. So sick of the pre-law deceptions going on everywhere.


Fine:

Isn't enough enough? Do you think spamming me after I asked you to stop will make me more likely to apply to your for-profit law school? Your school is little more than a collection of desperate scam artists who hoodwink unwitting college graduates into forking out six-figures of debt for terrible to nonexistent employment prospects. And you are desperate because law school applications are plummetting, so you keep extending your deadline and spamming people who are clearly not interested. I suggest you take a lesson from the home loan mortgage companies who did something similar to what you are doing, or Florida Coastal might become the new AIG.

Cheers,

Attending a Real Law School


That's not bad at all OP, I wouldn't be worried at all. I'm pretty sure there are rules regarding admission offers and they can't just rescind it for writing an irritated email (this might be protected under freedom of speech as well, but idk, i'm an 0L).

It's still incredibly lame that the T4 school sent it to the entire T14, as if they thought it would hurt you or something.

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Re: Warning: Be Nice to 4th Tier Law Schools!

Postby DeeCee » Mon May 02, 2011 4:23 pm

tooswolle wrote:
DeeCee wrote:Although I believe that your actions will always come back to you in some way, positive or negative, I think law schools act pretty crazy when it comes to admissions. They come on forums to read what future students say, and then call/email them about it if they don't like it and find out who they are (happened in UNC thread). T4's are contacting schools about you, OP. T14s sometimes call other schools to see what offers you have gotten in comparison to their offer (see UMich blog).

It's all very frustrating to me, although I don't think your choice of words was good, niederbomb


I gotta say that is pretty trippy when you think about the level of communication all the schools have with each other and their ability to track you down. Thankfully I don't say things id be ashamed of.. LOL


Yeah, I don't either. But I still remember a couple of months ago how someone in the UNC thread, who I preume totally changed their name and/or left the thread after the incident, was complaining about slow admissions. They were quite bitchy about it and said some things I'd never say, but they didn't call adcomms names or get crazy. An adcomm proceeded to call them and tell them how they were disappointed in the applicant and yadda yadda. Then the applicant posted with the adcomm said and never came back to the thread.

I just find that to be weird that someone will call you (or in OP's experience, email) because they feel like their school was a little snubbed. Shows how serious USNWR makes things.
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Re: Warning: Be Nice to 4th Tier Law Schools!

Postby aliarrow » Mon May 02, 2011 4:23 pm

niederbomb wrote:
weejonbu wrote:OP, copy and paste the actual e-mail so that everyone's curiosity is laid to rest.

In a related note, I wrote a similar comment in one of the Pre-Law magazine issues that was released. Of course, the comment went under "review" and was never posted. So sick of the pre-law deceptions going on everywhere.


Fine:

Isn't enough enough? Do you think spamming me after I asked you to stop will make me more likely to apply to your for-profit law school? Your school is little more than a collection of desperate scam artists who hoodwink unwitting college graduates into forking out six-figures of debt for terrible to nonexistent employment prospects. And you are desperate because law school applications are plummetting, so you keep extending your deadline and spamming people who are clearly not interested. I suggest you take a lesson from the home loan mortgage companies who did something similar to what you are doing, or Florida Coastal might become the new AIG.

Cheers,

Attending a Real Law School


I like it. What was their response email?

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Re: Warning: Be Nice to 4th Tier Law Schools!

Postby niederbomb » Mon May 02, 2011 4:24 pm

rad law wrote:If Texas doesn't care about those prostitutes you were with, the almost assuredly won't care about some email.


lol

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Re: Warning: Be Nice to 4th Tier Law Schools!

Postby joemoviebuff » Mon May 02, 2011 4:24 pm

niederbomb wrote:
weejonbu wrote:OP, copy and paste the actual e-mail so that everyone's curiosity is laid to rest.

In a related note, I wrote a similar comment in one of the Pre-Law magazine issues that was released. Of course, the comment went under "review" and was never posted. So sick of the pre-law deceptions going on everywhere.


Fine:

Isn't enough enough? Do you think spamming me after I asked you to stop will make me more likely to apply to your for-profit law school? Your school is little more than a collection of desperate scam artists who hoodwink unwitting college graduates into forking out six-figures of debt for terrible to nonexistent employment prospects. And you are desperate because law school applications are plummetting, so you keep extending your deadline and spamming people who are clearly not interested. I suggest you take a lesson from the home loan mortgage companies who did something similar to what you are doing, or Florida Coastal might become the new AIG.

Cheers,

Attending a Real Law School


I'm half-chubbed. What did your school say when you talked to them?

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Re: Warning: Be Nice to 4th Tier Law Schools!

Postby OGR3 » Mon May 02, 2011 4:24 pm

One tip that was relayed to me from someone in an admissions office is that one should always be nice to people in the admissions office. These professionals move from school to school, see each other at conferences, are really good friends, or will just generally look out for each other when it comes to applicants. This applies from HYS all the way to TTTTs.

They'll often check the information applicants tell them regarding acceptances or scholarships, and if they find out you've lied, that could significantly hurt you. While something like this likely wouldn't result in the schools rescinding admission, it does serve as a heads up in terms of letting the schools know what's coming their way.

OP, while I wouldn't have done what Florida Coastal did, I can understand why they did it.

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Re: Warning: Be Nice to 4th Tier Law Schools!

Postby czelede » Mon May 02, 2011 4:24 pm

DeeCee wrote:Although I believe that your actions will always come back to you in some way, positive or negative, I think law schools act pretty crazy when it comes to admissions. They come on forums to read what future students say, and then call/email them about it if they don't like it and find out who they are (happened in UNC thread). T4's are contacting schools about you, OP. T14s sometimes call other schools to see what offers you have gotten in comparison to their offer (see UMich blog).

It's all very frustrating to me, although I don't think your choice of words was good, niederbomb


What happened in the UNC thread??
EDIT, nvm, read it

Internet footprints are forever, I guess. And it kind of sucks, because sometimes to get the best advice on here you do need to elaborate on your circumstances...and generally that outs you.

Also, neiderbomb, I don't know if this has been answered but how do you know that they forwarded it to T14 schools?
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Re: Warning: Be Nice to 4th Tier Law Schools!

Postby aliarrow » Mon May 02, 2011 4:24 pm

Knock wrote:
That's not bad at all OP, I wouldn't be worried at all. I'm pretty sure there are rules regarding admission offers and they can't just rescind it for writing an irritated email (this might be protected under freedom of speech as well, but idk, i'm an 0L).

It's still incredibly lame that the T4 school sent it to the entire T14, as if they thought it would hurt you or something.


Freedom of speech only protects you from the law, not dickish law schools

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Re: Warning: Be Nice to 4th Tier Law Schools!

Postby niederbomb » Mon May 02, 2011 4:25 pm

aliarrow wrote:
niederbomb wrote:
weejonbu wrote:OP, copy and paste the actual e-mail so that everyone's curiosity is laid to rest.

In a related note, I wrote a similar comment in one of the Pre-Law magazine issues that was released. Of course, the comment went under "review" and was never posted. So sick of the pre-law deceptions going on everywhere.


Fine:

Isn't enough enough? Do you think spamming me after I asked you to stop will make me more likely to apply to your for-profit law school? Your school is little more than a collection of desperate scam artists who hoodwink unwitting college graduates into forking out six-figures of debt for terrible to nonexistent employment prospects. And you are desperate because law school applications are plummetting, so you keep extending your deadline and spamming people who are clearly not interested. I suggest you take a lesson from the home loan mortgage companies who did something similar to what you are doing, or Florida Coastal might become the new AIG.

Cheers,

Attending a Real Law School


I like it. What was their response email?


We obtained your name and contact information lawfully from the Law School Admission Council, and we have used it in accordance with their Candidate Referral Service (CRS) policies. My suggestion to you is to update your LSAC profile to indicate that you no longer wish to be listed on the CRS – this will save you from receiving messages like this one.

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Re: Warning: Be Nice to 4th Tier Law Schools!

Postby aliarrow » Mon May 02, 2011 4:26 pm

niederbomb wrote:
aliarrow wrote:
niederbomb wrote:
weejonbu wrote:OP, copy and paste the actual e-mail so that everyone's curiosity is laid to rest.

In a related note, I wrote a similar comment in one of the Pre-Law magazine issues that was released. Of course, the comment went under "review" and was never posted. So sick of the pre-law deceptions going on everywhere.


Fine:

Isn't enough enough? Do you think spamming me after I asked you to stop will make me more likely to apply to your for-profit law school? Your school is little more than a collection of desperate scam artists who hoodwink unwitting college graduates into forking out six-figures of debt for terrible to nonexistent employment prospects. And you are desperate because law school applications are plummetting, so you keep extending your deadline and spamming people who are clearly not interested. I suggest you take a lesson from the home loan mortgage companies who did something similar to what you are doing, or Florida Coastal might become the new AIG.

Cheers,

Attending a Real Law School


I like it. What was their response email?


We obtained your name and contact information lawfully from the Law School Admission Council, and we have used it in accordance with their Candidate Referral Service (CRS) policies. My suggestion to you is to update your LSAC profile to indicate that you no longer wish to be listed on the CRS – this will save you from receiving messages like this one.


Where'd they mention the part about forwarding it?

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Re: Warning: Be Nice to 4th Tier Law Schools!

Postby DeeCee » Mon May 02, 2011 4:26 pm

czelede wrote:
DeeCee wrote:Although I believe that your actions will always come back to you in some way, positive or negative, I think law schools act pretty crazy when it comes to admissions. They come on forums to read what future students say, and then call/email them about it if they don't like it and find out who they are (happened in UNC thread). T4's are contacting schools about you, OP. T14s sometimes call other schools to see what offers you have gotten in comparison to their offer (see UMich blog).

It's all very frustrating to me, although I don't think your choice of words was good, niederbomb


What happened in the UNC thread??

Internet footprints are forever, I guess. And it kind of sucks, because sometimes to get the best advice on here you do need to elaborate on your circumstances...and generally that outs you.

Also, neiderbomb, I don't know if this has been answered but how do you know that they forwarded it to T14 schools?


See above... back in Feb or March someone outted themselves by giving a lot of details, and the proceeded to harshly complain about admissions.

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Re: Warning: Be Nice to 4th Tier Law Schools!

Postby czelede » Mon May 02, 2011 4:27 pm

niederbomb wrote:
We obtained your name and contact information lawfully from the Law School Admission Council, and we have used it in accordance with their Candidate Referral Service (CRS) policies. My suggestion to you is to update your LSAC profile to indicate that you no longer wish to be listed on the CRS – this will save you from receiving messages like this one.


This is untrue - I changed my CRS profile soon after all my applications were sent out, and the schools that had begun spamming me prior to that continued to spam me afterwards. Three emails in one hour from the University of Tulsa :O

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Re: Warning: Be Nice to 4th Tier Law Schools!

Postby DeeCee » Mon May 02, 2011 4:29 pm

czelede wrote:
niederbomb wrote:
We obtained your name and contact information lawfully from the Law School Admission Council, and we have used it in accordance with their Candidate Referral Service (CRS) policies. My suggestion to you is to update your LSAC profile to indicate that you no longer wish to be listed on the CRS – this will save you from receiving messages like this one.


This is untrue - I changed my CRS profile soon after all my applications were sent out, and the schools that had begun spamming me prior to that continued to spam me afterwards. Three emails in one hour from the University of Tulsa :O


I changed mine too and they still kept sending emails as well.
Also, I hate when there is not a "take me off your list" button.....some have it, some don't

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Re: Warning: Be Nice to 4th Tier Law Schools!

Postby niederbomb » Mon May 02, 2011 4:33 pm

Where'd they mention the part about forwarding it?


They didn't. I heard from my school, or rather, my Mom did. She asked, "Is anything wrong?" and got the response, "not really. This is just a courtesy call." Apparently, they told her it could wait until Fall also. I took the initiative and called Admissions. The person at the other end said, "You know about this? [laugh]. Just so you know, the legal community is very small. So I thought you should know about this....It won't affect your status, nor will it go in your file...."

I honestly hope I am alright. But I think (hope) if it was a big deal, they would have said something like "It's no big deal, but it will go under review" rather than "It won't affect your status here."
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Re: Warning: Be Nice to 4th Tier Law Schools!

Postby Capitol A » Mon May 02, 2011 4:34 pm

OP-
The question I keep asking myself when reading through this thread...What did you expect to gain by sending this email to Florida Coastal? Did you really think that a strongly worded email from a 0L would cause them to go: "you know, he (or she) is totally right. let's completely change the way we run our institution"?
I think it's annoying to get spammed by these schools too, but I just mark them as spam and delete them and go on with my life. How is possible for it to bother you enough that you sent this email that is now creating (potentially) some trouble for you?
The internet definitely dis-inhibits a lot of communication, but I think you should always ask yourself: 'is it okay with me if the entire world knows that I just said this?' and 'is there any possible way this could come back to bite me?'

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Re: Warning: Be Nice to 4th Tier Law Schools!

Postby niederbomb » Mon May 02, 2011 4:35 pm

Capitol A wrote:OP-
The question I keep asking myself when reading through this thread...What did you expect to gain by sending this email to Florida Coastal? Did you really think that a strongly worded email from a 0L would cause them to go: "you know, he (or she) is totally right. let's completely change the way we run our institution"?
I think it's annoying to get spammed by these schools too, but I just mark them as spam and delete them and go on with my life. How is possible for it to bother you enough that you sent this email that is now creating (potentially) some trouble for you?
The internet definitely dis-inhibits a lot of communication, but I think you should always ask yourself: 'is it okay with me if the entire world knows that I just said this?' and 'is there any possible way this could come back to bite me?'


What can I say? You're right, which is why I posted this to warn others, not just for human interest.

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Re: Warning: Be Nice to 4th Tier Law Schools!

Postby Knock » Mon May 02, 2011 4:35 pm

Capitol A wrote:OP-
The question I keep asking myself when reading through this thread...What did you expect to gain by sending this email to Florida Coastal? Did you really think that a strongly worded email from a 0L would cause them to go: "you know, he (or she) is totally right. let's completely change the way we run our institution"?
I think it's annoying to get spammed by these schools too, but I just mark them as spam and delete them and go on with my life. How is possible for it to bother you enough that you sent this email that is now creating (potentially) some trouble for you?
The internet definitely dis-inhibits a lot of communication, but I think you should always ask yourself: 'is it okay with me if the entire world knows that I just said this?' and 'is there any possible way this could come back to bite me?'


He was probably venting.

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Re: Warning: Be Nice to 4th Tier Law Schools!

Postby aliarrow » Mon May 02, 2011 4:36 pm

niederbomb wrote:
Where'd they mention the part about forwarding it?


They didn't. I heard from my school, or rather, my Mom did. She asked, "Is anything wrong?" and got the response, "not really. This is just a courtesy call." Apparently, they told her it could wait until Fall also. I took the initiative and called Admissions. The person at the other end said, "You know about this? [laugh]. Just so you know, the legal community is very small. So I thought you should know about this....It won't affect your status, nor will it go in your file...."

I honestly hope I am alright. But I think (hope) if it was a big deal, they would have said something like "It's no big deal, but it will go under review" rather than "It won't affect your status here."


Sounds like you're fine. It isn't like you stated cursing at the school and included a meme.

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Re: Warning: Be Nice to 4th Tier Law Schools!

Postby aliarrow » Mon May 02, 2011 4:37 pm

Now that I think about it, a "Didn't Read LOL" would be a great response to the next Florida Coastal email I get

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Re: Warning: Be Nice to 4th Tier Law Schools!

Postby DeeCee » Mon May 02, 2011 4:37 pm

aliarrow wrote:
Sounds like you're fine. It isn't like you stated cursing at the school and included a meme.


THAT would have been both extremely unfortunate and hilarious.

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Re: Warning: Be Nice to 4th Tier Law Schools!

Postby Capitol A » Mon May 02, 2011 4:38 pm

niederbomb wrote:
Capitol A wrote:OP-
The question I keep asking myself when reading through this thread...What did you expect to gain by sending this email to Florida Coastal? Did you really think that a strongly worded email from a 0L would cause them to go: "you know, he (or she) is totally right. let's completely change the way we run our institution"?
I think it's annoying to get spammed by these schools too, but I just mark them as spam and delete them and go on with my life. How is possible for it to bother you enough that you sent this email that is now creating (potentially) some trouble for you?
The internet definitely dis-inhibits a lot of communication, but I think you should always ask yourself: 'is it okay with me if the entire world knows that I just said this?' and 'is there any possible way this could come back to bite me?'


What can I say? You're right, which is why I posted this to warn others, not just for human interest.

Don't misunderstand. I didn't post this to challenge you. You obviously wish you hadn't sent it, or this discussion would not be taking place. I am honestly wondering about your motivation.

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Re: Warning: Be Nice to 4th Tier Law Schools!

Postby geoduck » Mon May 02, 2011 4:40 pm

niederbomb wrote:
Where'd they mention the part about forwarding it?


They didn't. I heard from my school, or rather, my Mom did. She asked, "Is anything wrong?" and got the response, "not really. This is just a courtesy call." Apparently, they told her it could wait until Fall also. I took the initiative and called Admissions. The person at the other end said, "You know about this? [laugh]. Just so you know, the legal community is very small. So I thought you should know about this....It won't affect your status, nor will it go in your file...."

I honestly hope I am alright. But I think (hope) if it was a big deal, they would have said something like "It's no big deal, but it will go under review" rather than "It won't affect your status here."


I'm just jealous that I didn't think to do this first.




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