US News Tier System No More?

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US News Tier System No More?

Postby PaxTecvm » Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:38 am

Dear gang:

Am I missing something, or has US News just done away with its entire tier system? Now all of a sudden I find that each of the Top 100 (not just the top 50) are ranked "1st Tier" and *every* other law school not in the top 100 ranked 2nd Tier?! Whatever happened to Tiers, 1, 2, 3, and 4? I find the same is true of all their other school rankings.

What gives? Is this just their way of saying "Everyone's a winner!"?

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Re: US News Tier System No More?

Postby rman1201 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:45 am

PaxTecvm wrote:Dear gang:

Am I missing something, or has US News just done away with its entire tier system? Now all of a sudden I find that each of the Top 100 (not just the top 50) are ranked "1st Tier" and *every* other law school not in the top 100 ranked 2nd Tier?! Whatever happened to Tiers, 1, 2, 3, and 4? I find the same is true of all their other school rankings.

What gives? Is this just their way of saying "Everyone's a winner!"?


Yes. Stetson is now in the same tier as Harvard, so they're pretty much both the same.

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Re: US News Tier System No More?

Postby Fred_McGriff » Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:50 am

T1 = 1-50, T2 = 51 - 100, T3 = up to whatever they ranked, T4 = the rest.

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Re: US News Tier System No More?

Postby duckmoney » Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:52 am

Fred_McGriff wrote:T1 = 1-50, T2 = 51 - 100, T3 = up to whatever they ranked, T4 = the rest.


This is true and always will be.

The more interesting question is whether the typical mini-tiers, such as T14 or T18, have been cast aside by these new rankings. However, there are about 3 other threads discussing this right now.

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Re: US News Tier System No More?

Postby PaxTecvm » Tue Mar 15, 2011 10:06 am

Fred:

Where do you get that ranking scheme from? Check our the rankings for yourself:

http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandr ... w-rankings

The Tier system seems to have disappeared completely. How does one tell which is a third or fourth tier school, for example, and why aren't the top 100 tiered?

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Re: US News Tier System No More?

Postby danquayle » Tue Mar 15, 2011 10:10 am

PaxTecvm wrote:Fred:

Where do you get that ranking scheme from? Check our the rankings for yourself:

http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandr ... w-rankings

The Tier system seems to have disappeared completely. How does one tell which is a third or fourth tier school, for example, and why aren't the top 100 tiered?


Fred is not talking about anything US News is going. Fred is talking about what Fred and the rest of the legal education market will do. Just like T-14 and T-18 are informal creations of observers to the US News rankings, so have the T1, T2, T3, T4 distinctions. In my mind, and most everyone else, we'll always consider what Fred said to be valid.

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Re: US News Tier System No More?

Postby PaxTecvm » Tue Mar 15, 2011 10:56 am

Dan:

Fair enough, but how do we tell the 3rd tiers from the 4th?

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Re: US News Tier System No More?

Postby holydonkey » Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:01 am

PaxTecvm wrote:Dan:

Fair enough, but how do we tell the 3rd tiers from the 4th?
they went to college

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Re: US News Tier System No More?

Postby theavrock » Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:01 am

PaxTecvm wrote:Dan:

Fair enough, but how do we tell the 3rd tiers from the 4th?


Who cares. At that level its all the same.

Is #121 that different than 171

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Re: US News Tier System No More?

Postby txadv11 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:06 am

theavrock wrote:
PaxTecvm wrote:Dan:

Fair enough, but how do we tell the 3rd tiers from the 4th?


Who cares. At that level its all the same.

Is #121 that different than 171

Considering it stops a 145, probably so.

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Re: US News Tier System No More?

Postby Fred_McGriff » Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:29 am

T3 and T4 probably don't matter as a meaningful distinction, except there probably are some T3s that aren't bad decisions. South Carolina, Montana, Ole Miss, North Dakota, Idaho, etc. if you want to stay in those states are all cheap and tied into local legal markets.

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Re: US News Tier System No More?

Postby AreJay711 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:32 am

Well, I think it is a good thing so people don't think there is a real difference between Chapman and McGeorge for example.

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Re: US News Tier System No More?

Postby overunderachiever » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:04 pm

According to abovethelaw, there is only Tier 1 (1-100) and Tier 2 (101-150) and then unranked

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Re: US News Tier System No More?

Postby AreJay711 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:05 pm

overunderachiever wrote:According to abovethelaw, there is only Tier 1 (1-100) and Tier 2 (101-150) and then unranked

:lol:

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Re: US News Tier System No More?

Postby txadv11 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:10 pm

I think the biggest change is the fact that you can now differentiate between #101 (formally tier 3) and unranked (formally tier 4)

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Re: US News Tier System No More?

Postby theavrock » Tue Mar 15, 2011 2:55 pm

txadv11 wrote:
theavrock wrote:
PaxTecvm wrote:Dan:

Fair enough, but how do we tell the 3rd tiers from the 4th?


Who cares. At that level its all the same.

Is #121 that different than 171

Considering it stops a 145, probably so.


The point is the same regardless.

School 100 vs. School 137 who the fuck cares

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Re: US News Tier System No More?

Postby Bildungsroman » Tue Mar 15, 2011 2:59 pm

PaxTecvm wrote:Dan:

Fair enough, but how do we tell the 3rd tiers from the 4th?

Who gives a shit? No point in making two tiers of absolute shithole schools that force their students into debt peonage.

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Re: US News Tier System No More?

Postby TheTopBloke » Tue Mar 15, 2011 3:01 pm

PaxTecvm wrote:Dear gang:

Am I missing something, or has US News just done away with its entire tier system? Now all of a sudden I find that each of the Top 100 (not just the top 50) are ranked "1st Tier" and *every* other law school not in the top 100 ranked 2nd Tier?! Whatever happened to Tiers, 1, 2, 3, and 4? I find the same is true of all their other school rankings.

What gives? Is this just their way of saying "Everyone's a winner!"?


it has always been that way.

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Re: US News Tier System No More?

Postby mettasutta » Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:12 pm

Bildungsroman wrote:
PaxTecvm wrote:Dan:

Fair enough, but how do we tell the 3rd tiers from the 4th?

Who gives a shit? No point in making two tiers of absolute shithole schools that force their students into debt peonage.


Not all tier 3/4 schools are a poor investment. What about crazy cheap state flagship schools located in isolated markets (Idaho, Montana, South Dakota, Maine, etc.) that just so happen to be ranked in the third tier, but are otherwise solid options for people who want to practice in those regions? It would be idiotic for a resident of Wyoming who wanted to practice in her home state to go into $200,000+ debt for GW or Vandy when she could attend a so-called "TTT" like U of Wyoming for a fraction of the cost and still enjoy decent job prospects. The third/fourth tier schools that are problematic are those like Florida Coastal and NYLS (steep tuition, over-saturated markets, high attrition, etc.)

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Re: US News Tier System No More?

Postby alexonfyre » Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:22 pm

I don't like that USN got rid of tiers. I don't have time to look up all this irrelevant information on law schools, I need to be able to judge a school without having to go through all of the trouble of reading about it and posting on forums. The same way I can look at a Mexican and tell that he isn't from here, doesn't speak English, and lives with his extended family of 16 cousins.




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