T13, T14, or T15

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T13
177
61%
T14
73
25%
T15
42
14%
 
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Re: T13, T14, or T15

Postby predent/prelaw » Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:18 am

Is Georgetown really that bad? I mean I was going to Early Decision Gtown before UVA because I knew it would be easier to get into UVA early decision but I don't really want to live in another dam* college town especially in Virginia. I mean when you guys feel like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UdmYInXplY towards Gtown does it hurt when Gtown students at their god awful school take spots at the firm you wanted because you are below the median.

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Re: T13, T14, or T15

Postby ScrabbleChamp » Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:24 am

Does anyone find in coincidental that the rankings were released on the 15th of the month?

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Re: T13, T14, or T15

Postby spondee » Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:28 am

flcath wrote:
AreJay711 wrote:
flcath wrote:
As for the "T1x" thing, only really young lawyers have heard of it anyway: http://leiterlawschool.typepad.com/leit ... owels.html


Is that Leiter post for real? Dude needs to read the usability guidelines or something.

Yeah well, he sucks in general.

It pains me to link to him. But frankly, I trust his feelings on LS reputations over the herd mentality at TLS.


Except when he wrote that, he was a professor at UT, and you really can't trust Leiter when he's writing about his own school.

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Re: T13, T14, or T15

Postby AreJay711 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:36 am

spondee wrote:
flcath wrote:
AreJay711 wrote:
flcath wrote:
As for the "T1x" thing, only really young lawyers have heard of it anyway: http://leiterlawschool.typepad.com/leit ... owels.html


Is that Leiter post for real? Dude needs to read the usability guidelines or something.

Yeah well, he sucks in general.

It pains me to link to him. But frankly, I trust his feelings on LS reputations over the herd mentality at TLS.


Except when he wrote that, he was a professor at UT, and you really can't trust Leiter when he's writing about his own school.

He does troll for Chicago pretty damn hard.

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Re: T13, T14, or T15

Postby idfatq » Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:40 am

FiveSermon wrote:
niederbomb wrote:
FiveSermon wrote:
niederbomb wrote:Has GTTTOWN ever been in the top 10?

I don't think so. Thus, the statement that "T14 is the schools who have been in the top 10 previously" is wrong.


Gtown has been in the top 10. Put down the crackpipe.


My bad. It was ranked #10 once, in 1993, and Cornell has been ranked #15, in 1987, also breaking an alleged "Top 14" rule.

T10 and T20, people.


Being outside of t14 isn't a t14 rule. Stop making shit up. Seriously lay off the fucking drugs.


lolololol What part of "the 14 schools that have been ranked in the top 10 at some point" was so confusing?

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Re: T13, T14, or T15

Postby niederbomb » Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:15 am

FiveSermon wrote:
niederbomb wrote:
FiveSermon wrote:
niederbomb wrote:Has GTTTOWN ever been in the top 10?

I don't think so. Thus, the statement that "T14 is the schools who have been in the top 10 previously" is wrong.

I move for Top 10 and Top 20 as the key distinctions. There is a clear drop-off after UVA in terms of prestige and placement.

Loving Berkeley's fall btw. They never deserved to be a "T6." Next, I'd like Stanford to supplant Harvard, UPenn to supplant NYU, and Vandy to supplant GTTTOWN to tie UT. Then the rankings would be perfect.


Gtown has been in the top 10. Put down the crackpipe.


My bad. It was ranked #10 once, in 1993, and Cornell has been ranked #15, in 1987, also breaking an alleged "Top 14" rule. Either way, this whole T14 thing was always stupid.

T10 and T20, people.


Being outside of t14 isn't a t14 rule. Stop making shit up. Seriously lay off the fucking drugs.


Yep, I made it up. Exactly. GTTTOWN people like FiveSermon are sore football losers who want to keep moving the goal posts to keep the other team from scoring.

Here's the bizarre part: the only rationale for this grouping is that all these schools have been ranked in "the top 14" by U.S. News and World Report since roughly the early-to-mid-1990s!


http://leiterlawschool.typepad.com/leit ... owels.html

Since the bolded is no longer true, then the T14 needs to be reformulated.

Although US News itself and almost everyone (lawyers, my pre-law advisor, parents) who's not on TLS talks about "top 10 law schools," maybe T13 is a better distinction.

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Re: T13, T14, or T15

Postby AreJay711 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:22 am

niederbomb wrote:
FiveSermon wrote:
niederbomb wrote:
My bad. It was ranked #10 once, in 1993, and Cornell has been ranked #15, in 1987, also breaking an alleged "Top 14" rule. Either way, this whole T14 thing was always stupid.

T10 and T20, people.


Being outside of t14 isn't a t14 rule. Stop making shit up. Seriously lay off the fucking drugs.


Yep, I made it up. Exactly. GTTTOWN people like FiveSermon are sore football losers who want to keep moving the goal posts to keep the other team from scoring.

Here's the bizarre part: the only rationale for this grouping is that all these schools have been ranked in "the top 14" by U.S. News and World Report since roughly the early-to-mid-1990s!


http://leiterlawschool.typepad.com/leit ... owels.html

Since the bolded is no longer true, then the T14 needs to be reformulated.

Although US News itself and almost everyone (lawyers, my pre-law advisor, parents) who's not on TLS talks about "top 10 law schools," maybe T13 is a better distinction.


Why would t13 be better? Top 10 would be better but not t13

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Re: T13, T14, or T15

Postby paratactical » Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:24 am

fatduck wrote:can a mod please merge this thread into "things people say that make you realize they're an idiot"

I love you.

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Re: T13, T14, or T15

Postby 09042014 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:29 pm

AreJay711 wrote:
Why would t13 be better? Top 10 would be better but not t13


Because their really isn't a discernible difference between any of the lower t13. Arbitrary cutting it off at 10 makes no sense.

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Re: T13, T14, or T15

Postby AreJay711 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:34 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
AreJay711 wrote:
Why would t13 be better? Top 10 would be better but not t13


Because their really isn't a discernible difference between any of the lower t13. Arbitrary cutting it off at 10 makes no sense.

Y
HS
CCN
MVPBDNC
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T-V-Ucla-USC
TTT


I'm not really denying that but the post I was responding to said that lawyers always talk about the top 10 so it should be top 13 rather than top 14. There is some difference between top 10 and the rest of the top 13 in academia FWIW which matches rather nicely with the difference between CCN and placement at top vault firms. Idk if top 10 is that much off from top 6.

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Re: T13, T14, or T15

Postby northwood » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:35 pm

top 13, or top whatever it is until the first tie ( so i think top6)

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Re: T13, T14, or T15

Postby 09042014 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:38 pm

AreJay711 wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
AreJay711 wrote:
Why would t13 be better? Top 10 would be better but not t13


Because their really isn't a discernible difference between any of the lower t13. Arbitrary cutting it off at 10 makes no sense.

Y
HS
CCN
MVPBDNC
G
T-V-Ucla-USC
TTT


I'm not really denying that but the post I was responding to said that lawyers always talk about the top 10 so it should be top 13 rather than top 14. There is some difference between top 10 and the rest of the top 13 in academia FWIW which matches rather nicely with the difference between CCN and placement at top vault firms. Idk if top 10 is that much off from top 6.


Academia shouldn't be a factor because it's tiny part of the legal field. But even then it's Yale > Harvard > stanford > LOL > Uchi >> Mich > LOL ROTF > TTT

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Re: T13, T14, or T15

Postby bk1 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:50 pm

DF seems to be kicking ass and taking names.

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Re: T13, T14, or T15

Postby FiveSermon » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:51 pm

Your citing some guy on some website. What he says isn't the truth. It's been collective knowledge for a while what T14 is. Guess you just ain't on the in and in.

BTW I don't go to GTTTown lolololol

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Re: T13, T14, or T15

Postby AreJay711 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:56 pm

Desert Fox wrote:[
Academia shouldn't be a factor because it's tiny part of the legal field. But even then it's Yale > Harvard > stanford > LOL > Uchi >> Mich > LOL ROTF > TTT


Ehh, UVA and Berkeley do ok too. V10 hiring is much more of a substantial number than academic hiring but as far as semi-arbitrary distinctions go, academic placement is ok.

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Re: T13, T14, or T15

Postby ArthurDigbySellers » Tue Mar 15, 2011 1:00 pm

flcath wrote:It means the top 14 schools


Yes, that is the descriptive meaning, all right. The question then becomes obvious--if T14 is "just" the schools ranked 1-14 in any given year, as opposed to a class of schools that are consistently ranked in a certain range (as some say), then T14 doesn't really mean anything. I.e., there's HYS, CCN, and the rest fluctuate like a motherfucker. Is Texas "better" than Vanderbilt in terms of absolute employment prospects because it's 14 vs. 16? No. But I guess that's what most people think anyway, it's all random and ridiculous. If Texas tying with Georgetown "breaches" the T14 and makes Georgetown less prestigious just like that, then you have to concede that T14 didn't really signify much in the first place beyond numbers.

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Re: T13, T14, or T15

Postby paratactical » Tue Mar 15, 2011 1:03 pm

FiveSermon wrote:Your citing some guy on some website. What he says isn't the truth. It's been collective knowledge for a while what T14 is. Guess you just ain't on the in and in.

BTW I don't go to GTTTown lolololol

Wait, you're arguing this and you don't know who Leiter is? Srsly?

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Re: T13, T14, or T15

Postby bk1 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 1:07 pm

paratactical wrote:
FiveSermon wrote:Your citing some guy on some website. What he says isn't the truth. It's been collective knowledge for a while what T14 is. Guess you just ain't on the in and in.

BTW I don't go to GTTTown lolololol

Wait, you're arguing this and you don't know who Leiter is? Srsly?


He's just a dude with a website. I could make a website too if I wanted.

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Re: T13, T14, or T15

Postby paratactical » Tue Mar 15, 2011 1:09 pm

bk1 wrote:
paratactical wrote:
FiveSermon wrote:Your citing some guy on some website. What he says isn't the truth. It's been collective knowledge for a while what T14 is. Guess you just ain't on the in and in.

BTW I don't go to GTTTown lolololol

Wait, you're arguing this and you don't know who Leiter is? Srsly?


He's just a dude with a website. I could make a website too if I wanted.

Your doing it wrong. Cant have contractions done write to get this guy down.

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Re: T13, T14, or T15

Postby bk1 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 1:10 pm

paratactical wrote:Your doing it wrong. Cant have contractions done write to get this guy down.


I do'nt get it.

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Re: T13, T14, or T15

Postby 005618502 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 1:13 pm

holydonkey wrote:It's T7. hth. Hail!


Lets at least go T9, be real man

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Re: T13, T14, or T15

Postby rayiner » Tue Mar 15, 2011 4:10 pm

AreJay711 wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
AreJay711 wrote:
Why would t13 be better? Top 10 would be better but not t13


Because their really isn't a discernible difference between any of the lower t13. Arbitrary cutting it off at 10 makes no sense.

Y
HS
CCN
MVPBDNC
G
T-V-Ucla-USC
TTT


There is some difference between top 10 and the rest of the top 13 in academia FWIW which matches rather nicely with the difference between CCN and placement at top vault firms. Idk if top 10 is that much off from top 6.


I don't know if there is any appreciable difference between top 10 and top 13 with regards to placement in top vault firms: http://lawfirmaddict.blogspot.com/2006/ ... ement.html

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Re: T13, T14, or T15

Postby FiveSermon » Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:57 pm

rayiner wrote:
AreJay711 wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
AreJay711 wrote:
Why would t13 be better? Top 10 would be better but not t13


Because their really isn't a discernible difference between any of the lower t13. Arbitrary cutting it off at 10 makes no sense.

Y
HS
CCN
MVPBDNC
G
T-V-Ucla-USC
TTT


There is some difference between top 10 and the rest of the top 13 in academia FWIW which matches rather nicely with the difference between CCN and placement at top vault firms. Idk if top 10 is that much off from top 6.


I don't know if there is any appreciable difference between top 10 and top 13 with regards to placement in top vault firms: http://lawfirmaddict.blogspot.com/2006/ ... ement.html


There isn't. It's HYS CCN and everyone else in the t13.

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Re: T13, T14, or T15

Postby whitman » Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:14 pm

FiveSermon wrote:Your citing some guy on some website. What he says isn't the truth. It's been collective knowledge for a while what T14 is. Guess you just ain't on the in and in.

BTW I don't go to GTTTown lolololol


You make me wince.

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Re: T13, T14, or T15

Postby TheFactor » Tue Mar 15, 2011 10:08 pm

FiveSermon wrote:There isn't. It's HYS CCN and everyone else in the t13.

egregious Cornell trolling




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