rinkrat19 wrote:DreamShake wrote:rinkrat19 wrote:I don't have any argument against CC classes in HS counting. You earned those grades; own them. If you were too dumb at 15/16/17 years old to realize that college credits might actually count for something later on, you deserve your bad LSDAS.
Um...in most cases I doubt that it's "dumb" so much as it's "ignorant." And with good reason. Not many people know that they're headed to grad school while they're still in high school and that those grades will matter long-term; many people take CC classes in HS simply to expedite attaining a bachelor's. It's also problematic that the demographic you're speaking of is trying to gain admission to UG institutions...which actually care about the difficulty of your courses as much as your grades in them. Do you really expect a 16 year-old to recognize "Oh, law school--not grad schools, just law schools--don't care about difficulty; they just care about my GPA"? Not everybody has the luxury of planning life out and accounting for contingencies eight to ten years down the road.
So you think a high schooler taking CC classes is thinking "they won't care if I get a D in this class by not trying, just the fact that it's a hard class will set me up for lifelong success!"?
Maybe I was a freak but I was fairly sure that all grades mattered, even at the tender age of 16. And I had no thoughts of attending law school or grad school of any kind yet. I didn't assume that half-assing it through UG with straight Cs would get me a great job (my last name isn't Bush). I figured that since your GPA goes on your resume, it probably kinda matters, and I should do my best to not screw it up.
If I'd had any thoughts of law school at the time and if I'd known that GPA>everything except the LSAT, I certainly wouldn't have majored in engineering. I lost more GPA via hard math and science classes than most people lose via the LSDAS calculation. But you don't hear me bitching about the fact that GPA is so important to law schools or that you don't get enough boost for a hard major. No one forced me to major in it.
Don't take a class you're not prepared to try in. And if you don't try, well, it was your choice and now you get to live with the consequences.
Well...that's one way to throw oneself down a slippery slope. Nowhere did I say that the average HS-cum-CC enrollee would take the line of, "Hey, CC D=acceptable." Especially since I stated that many do it to get a headstart on UG...and D's typically aren't sufficient for receiving credit that counts toward degree reqs.
Look, I applaud you for being a hardworker, having great foresight, and blah blah blah. But not everybody is you. Not everybody has the resources and input you had. You are not the standard by which all others are or should be judged. LSAC should be using the standard of the average or reasonable student, and it's perfectly reasonable to think, "Hey, it's okay if I get a B in these classes because that's still a decent grade and people are going to recognize that I did it while going above and beyond what was needed." The same line of thinking leads many students to take AP classes they know they'll land a "B" in rather than signing up for easy A's in regular classes. UG's take those things into account. LSAC punishes kids for not knowing that LSAC's method for calculating GPA, and the weight given to it, is anomalous in higher education. It's like an NFL coach questioning the Heisman winner's heart because the kid lettered in two sports during high school. It's dumb, and if the coach was really interested in projecting performance, he wouldn't even consider it.