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Law School Deception
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 10:45 pm
by NoJob
Re: Law School Deception
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 10:47 pm
by retake
Cool story, bro.
Re: Law School Deception
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 10:48 pm
by BlueDiamond
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Re: Law School Deception
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 11:02 pm
by Leira7905
BlueDiamond wrote:another pretty useless article.. theres like 100 of these out there and its not changing anyones decision
Yeah, at this point someone could tell me that going to law school would cause me to grow a hunchback and a tail, and I'd still probably go. If you want it badly enough, all the advice against it just starts to sound like white noise.
Re: Law School Deception
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 11:04 pm
by StillHerexxx
Nojob is pissed that he/she was uninformed and made a shitty decisions. On top of this, nojob is an asshole, which might explains why nojob, and many other lawyers, can't get a job.
There is no need to post the same articles over and over again.
Re: Law School Deception
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 11:23 pm
by BlueDevil2007
Really pointless to keep posting this kind of stuff. Anyone who reads TLS knows the risky nature of going to law school.
The same could probably be said of getting an undergraduate degree. Jobs are hard to come by with a BA/BS too and you can rack up 100k of debt at private colleges/universities.
Re: Law School Deception
Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 11:33 pm
by glitched
BlueDiamond wrote:another pretty useless article.. theres like 100 of these out there and its not changing anyones decision
law school applicantions are down. i think it's changing some people's decisions. and that's a good thing.
Re: Law School Deception
Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 12:02 am
by BlueDiamond
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Re: Law School Deception
Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 12:12 am
by smears
Wait a second.....are you telling me that sitting through another 3 years of college wont guarantee that I'm going to have a ridiculous salary and tons of prestige?
I thought that surely 3 more years of college and the world would just fall in my lap.
I'm totally disappointed now. Thanks for letting me know.
Re: Law School Deception
Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 12:21 am
by blsingindisguise
lol @ all the people ITT masking their insecurity with knowing sarcasm
Re: Law School Deception
Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 12:22 am
by Leira7905
blsingindisguise wrote:lol @ all the people ITT masking their insecurity with knowing sarcasm
lol @ this guy for masking his insecurity by projecting it on to others.
Re: Law School Deception
Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 12:23 am
by MrPapagiorgio
Leira7905 wrote:blsingindisguise wrote:lol @ all the people ITT masking their insecurity with knowing sarcasm
lol @ this guy for masking his insecurity by projecting it on to others.
Re: Law School Deception
Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 12:24 am
by Miracle
Didn't the number of applicants fall this year?
Re: Law School Deception
Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 12:24 am
by BlueDiamond
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Re: Law School Deception
Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 12:37 am
by JazzOne
Leira7905 wrote:blsingindisguise wrote:lol @ all the people ITT masking their insecurity with knowing sarcasm
lol @ this guy for masking his insecurity by projecting it on to others.
lol @ this chick for being funny
Re: Law School Deception
Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 12:55 am
by gloriouscause
haha smears knows whats up
Re: Law School Deception
Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 1:02 am
by smears
gloriouscause wrote:haha smears knows whats up
I mean yeah dude. I always just assumed that you go get a BA or a BS, then you just go do three more years and like, you get a really big house and a nice car and you get to wear awesome ties every day and eat lunch in fancy restaurants w/ important people.
I don't know what I'm gonna do w/ my life now that I've read this article. I saw an article like this the other day and I thought it was a hoax, but more and more of them are surfacing. Scary stuff bro.
Re: Law School Deception
Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 1:11 am
by gens1tb
smears wrote:Wait a second.....are you telling me that sitting through another 3 years of college wont guarantee that I'm going to have a ridiculous salary and tons of prestige?
I thought that surely 3 more years of college and the world would just fall in my lap.
I'm totally disappointed now. Thanks for letting me know.
Go for a PhD.
You'll get prestige... at least in your narrow subfield.
You'll also get a ridiculous(ly low) salary
Re: Law School Deception
Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 1:15 am
by rose711
I think the article, though probably already posted here somewhere, is good to the extent it reviews the practice law schools have of essentially lying to prospective students about employment rates. To me, that part of what law schools have been doing is unforgivable. Pretty much everyone who took out loans did so based on the assumption that the jobs they would get after they graduated would cover the payments on those loans - otherwise why would they take out those loans? I think there is no question that (some) law schools fed that assumption with false and misleading figures which students trusted were correct.
I'm tired of the quote about law school being a pie-eating contest where the prize is more pie. I don't understand that at all because practicing law isn't at all like school. Not everyone wakes up at a biglaw job, or any law job, and feels they are in prison.
I think these articles should focus on making sure people know that they can't trust the numbers schools are reporting. I think that the people who read this forum are aware of it, but clearly not everyone is as aware as the readers of this forum. There are a lot of unsophisticated undergrads out there who don't have the faintest idea that the numbers the schools report can be grossly inflated.
Re: Law School Deception
Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 1:21 am
by rman1201
But I'm going to Florida Coastal next year and I know I'm going to study hard so I'll be top 10% and I can get a good $150k job, at least if I transfer to the top 20 like I plan to.
Re: Law School Deception
Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 1:40 am
by rose711
rman1201 wrote:But I'm going to Florida Coastal next year and I know I'm going to study hard so I'll be top 10% and I can get a good $150k job, at least if I transfer to the top 20 like I plan to.
I know this is a joke, but it does point out the flaw in the reporting of the numbers.
You know I'm not an expert on the claims that schools make, but I don't remember the employment statistics being broken down into what percentage of the class a student was in to get a certain job.
If the law schools reported clearly that only the top 5-10% of the class (a handful of people) had a decent chance--but not certain shot- of a job making a six-figure income, then I would have no trouble with the system. Anyone is entitled to believe they can beat those odds. Anyone can try it for a year and see if they can do it. Maybe they can and then they are golden.
The problem comes when the median income is reported at $160,000 with 90% employment (or some outrageous numbers like that) Those numbers give no indication of the class rank you have to have to transfer or to even have a shot at getting a high-paying job. If the numbers were clear about the ridiculously small chance graduates have of getting jobs that will enable them to repay the loans they are taking on, then I would say, people are going in with their eyes open. Some people will always go anyway. But some people might say -wait I only have a tiny percent shot at being able to repay this debt? Maybe I shouldn't go.
Re: Law School Deception
Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 6:40 pm
by blsingindisguise
smears wrote:Wait a second.....are you telling me that sitting through another 3 years of college wont guarantee that I'm going to have a ridiculous salary and tons of prestige?
I thought that surely 3 more years of college and the world would just fall in my lap.
I'm totally disappointed now. Thanks for letting me know.
This post is basically the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling. The 0Ls around here love to play the "I know what I'm getting into" card. "I know I'm not guaranteed anything. I know I'll have to hustle." You're really missing the point.
I'm a 3L with a good job lined up. You know who doesn't have a job lined up though? Almost every single 3L I know. I'm not talking about lots of money and prestige, I'm talking about A JOB. AT ALL. Our career center people are actually telling students that they expect only 20% to have a job on graduation. And that's what career services is telling us, so I assume it's slightly inflated. What are you going to come back with, a sarcastic post that you're shocked law school only gives you a 20% shot at a job? Because my guess is if you graduated jobless you actually would be shocked, regardless of what you may say.
If you're on your way to a better school than I attend, more power to you. Even at NYU and Columbia people are graduating jobless. And that's ignoring all the people who got jobs and were then laid off.
Just because you know law school stats are inflated doesn't mean you know what's up.
Re: Law School Deception
Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 6:57 pm
by JazzOne
blsingindisguise wrote:smears wrote:Wait a second.....are you telling me that sitting through another 3 years of college wont guarantee that I'm going to have a ridiculous salary and tons of prestige?
I thought that surely 3 more years of college and the world would just fall in my lap.
I'm totally disappointed now. Thanks for letting me know.
This post is basically the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling. The 0Ls around here love to play the "I know what I'm getting into" card. "I know I'm not guaranteed anything. I know I'll have to hustle." You're really missing the point.
I'm a 3L with a good job lined up. You know who doesn't have a job lined up though? Almost every single 3L I know. I'm not talking about lots of money and prestige, I'm talking about A JOB. AT ALL. Our career center people are actually telling students that they expect only 20% to have a job on graduation. And that's what career services is telling us, so I assume it's slightly inflated. What are you going to come back with, a sarcastic post that you're shocked law school only gives you a 20% shot at a job? Because my guess is if you graduated jobless you actually would be shocked, regardless of what you may say.
If you're on your way to a better school than I attend, more power to you. Even at NYU and Columbia people are graduating jobless. And that's ignoring all the people who got jobs and were then laid off.
Just because you know law school stats are inflated doesn't mean you know what's up.
+1
Well said. But would you have believed it before OCI? I did not.
Re: Law School Deception
Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:03 pm
by blsingindisguise
JazzOne wrote:
+1
Well said. But would you have believed it before OCI? I did not.
I thought it would be bad, but not this bad. I did go the ultra-low-debt route, so I had less to worry about. I certainly didn't go in thinking money and prestige would fall into my lap, but it took me a year to see how limited prospects really were.
Re: Law School Deception
Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:13 pm
by prezidentv8
What's a nojob? Is that like a....
Wait - IBTL.