Obama said the United States needs to produce more....

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Re: Obama said the United States needs to produce more....

Postby wildcats2008 » Mon Jan 24, 2011 9:27 pm

we need more healthcare professionals (doctors, nurses, dentists, pharmacists etc.)

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Re: Obama said the United States needs to produce more....

Postby dr123 » Mon Jan 24, 2011 9:28 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
dr123 wrote:Didn't Obama used to work at a BigLaw firm in Chi?


I think he 1L SA'd for Sidley.



oh ya

wikipedia wrote: During his summers, he returned to Chicago, where he worked as a summer associate at the law firms of Sidley Austin in 1989 and Hopkins & Sutter in 1990

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Re: Obama said the United States needs to produce more....

Postby WVUguy11 » Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:28 pm

In 2012 what he thinks won't be relevant anyway... why care?

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Re: Obama said the United States needs to produce more....

Postby Flips88 » Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:33 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
dr123 wrote:Didn't Obama used to work at a BigLaw firm in Chi?


I think he 1L SA'd for Sidley.


Michelle was an associate at Sidley when he was a summer associate. Like a boss.

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Re: Obama said the United States needs to produce more....

Postby JaLeCa » Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:34 pm

WVUguy11 wrote:In 2012 what he thinks won't be relevant anyway... why care?



Because we all are going to die a fiery death?

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Re: Obama said the United States needs to produce more....

Postby rman1201 » Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:35 pm

He's a 1st term president starting the fight for a second term and the public hates lawyers. Thats part of the reason for the 'average joe' movement in Congress (something I in no way agree with, letting the idiots rule is an awful idea - not to say lawyers aren't idiots, but typically less so than some of the 'average Joes'). So yeah... this isn't news.

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Re: Obama said the United States needs to produce more....

Postby joebloe » Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:39 pm

wildcats2008 wrote:we need more healthcare professionals (doctors, nurses, dentists, pharmacists etc.)


LOL. Yes let's lower the bar even more.

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Postby Flips88 » Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:43 pm

joebloe wrote:
wildcats2008 wrote:we need more healthcare professionals (doctors, nurses, dentists, pharmacists etc.)


LOL. Yes let's lower the bar even more.


Med School Admission process>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Law School admission process

in terms of difficulty

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Postby ahduth » Tue Jan 25, 2011 1:17 am

Pizon wrote:What if I'm both? The US simultaneously needs more and less of me? :shock:


That won the thread. :D

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Re: Obama said the United States needs to produce more....

Postby patentThis » Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:11 am

FighterPilotF22 wrote:lawyers are a lot more brilliant and useful than engineers! how many engineers are in congress?!

lol my point is this, lawyers >> engineer. who wants to make 35k and nerd it up at a Ford Factory?


You are clearly an uninformed individual. Also, Who runs china? -> Engineers. Think about the shifting balance of economic power and then reevaluate your statements.

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Re: Obama said the United States needs to produce more....

Postby pinkzeppelin » Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:15 am

If engineers are really so valuable, why don't we pay them more?

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Re: Obama said the United States needs to produce more....

Postby dr123 » Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:16 am

pinkzeppelin wrote:If engineers are really so valuable, why don't we pay them more?


Engineers can make some serious bank, a buddy of mine just graduat csee and has 80k + offers

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Postby Flips88 » Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:18 am

pinkzeppelin wrote:If engineers are really so valuable, why don't we pay them more?


Somebody gets paid a shit wage to make sure your food gets to the grocery store you shop at. Migrants gets paid slave wages to pick the fruit and veggies you eat. Do not equate social value with one's wage. the CEO's at large banks completely fucked large segments of society and got rewarded with million dollar salaries. Teachers are some of the most socially valuable individuals and yet most states underpay them. Salary=/=social value.

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Re: Obama said the United States needs to produce more....

Postby 09042014 » Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:22 am

pinkzeppelin wrote:If engineers are really so valuable, why don't we pay them more?


Engineering majors are commonly the best paid.

But either way pay isn't about value it's about supply and demand.
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Re: Obama said the United States needs to produce more....

Postby NZA » Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:22 am

FighterPilotF22 wrote:Engineers and less lawyers.

Ouch. what a diss.


The funny thing is, I doubt many people in this forum disagree.

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Postby Flips88 » Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:25 am

NZA wrote:
FighterPilotF22 wrote:Engineers and less lawyers.

Ouch. what a diss.


The funny thing is, I doubt many people in this forum disagree.

I know I'm for ABA revoking the accreditation of all the degree mill law schools, especially for profit schools.

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Re: Obama said the United States needs to produce more....

Postby NZA » Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:26 am

Flips88 wrote:
NZA wrote:
FighterPilotF22 wrote:Engineers and less lawyers.

Ouch. what a diss.


The funny thing is, I doubt many people in this forum disagree.

I know I'm for ABA revoking the accreditation of all the degree mill law schools, especially for profit schools.


It'd be better for pretty much everyone. I mean, seriously.

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Re: Obama said the United States needs to produce more....

Postby mpj_3050 » Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:26 am

America is a TTT. An economy built on buying cheap imported crap coupled with a garbage K-12 education system and astronomically high healthcare costs. And an obscene military budget - my mom teaches in the inner city and the place is literally falling apart, but hey, always money for some crazy ass new military project.

People talk about American innovation which is wonderful, but how in the hell can we generate the massive numbers of jobs that pay a decent wage for a family to survive on? How can we compete when you can pay someone in an emerging market a tiny fraction of the wages an American receives, for the same productivity?
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Re: Obama said the United States needs to produce more....

Postby Longhorn88 » Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:27 am

Sounds like,

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Re: Obama said the United States needs to produce more....

Postby Longhorn88 » Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:28 am

mpj_3050 wrote:America is a TTT. An economy built on buying cheap imported crap coupled with a garbage K-12 education system and astronomically high healthcare costs. And an obscene military budget - my mom teaches in the inner city and the place is literally falling apart, but hey, always money for some crazy ass new military project.

People talk about American innovation which is wonderful, but how in the hell can we generate the massive numbers of decent paying jobs that average folks can survive on. How can we compete when you can pay someone in an emerging market a tiny fraction of the wages an American receives, for the same productivity?


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Re: Obama said the United States needs to produce more....

Postby wildcats2008 » Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:39 am

"But either way pay isn't about value it's about supply and demand."

exactly. look at the differences in salaries between phds in engineering/sciences vs business.
engineering phds start at 80-90 (9 month salary) while organizational behavior phds start at 110-120
at the same school! clearly, a phd in chemical engineering >>>>>> phd in org. behavior. however, difficulty
does not always determine pay.

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Re: Obama said the United States needs to produce more....

Postby patentThis » Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:40 am

Desert Fox wrote:
pinkzeppelin wrote:If engineers are really so valuable, why don't we pay them more?


Engineering majors are commonly the best paid.

But either way pay isn't about value it's about supply and demand.



This is on point. Engineering needs a certifying / governing body in order to control supply to raise salaries. This, however, may have the unfortunate side effect of even more lost manufacturing sector jobs. Engineering is also fairly easy to distribute globally to low labor cost nations which have vast armies of engineers (think china and the rest of asia). If US wages rise in engineering the equation for off-shoring becomes more attractive. This is also happening in the legal field. Think about where that will push legal salaries.

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Re: Obama said the United States needs to produce more....

Postby patentThis » Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:46 am

patentThis wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
pinkzeppelin wrote:If engineers are really so valuable, why don't we pay them more?


Engineering majors are commonly the best paid.

But either way pay isn't about value it's about supply and demand.



This is on point. Engineering needs a certifying / governing body WITH A BACKBONE in order to control supply to raise salaries. This, however, may have the unfortunate side effect of even more lost manufacturing sector jobs. Engineering is also fairly easy to distribute globally to low labor cost nations which have vast armies of engineers (think china and the rest of asia). If US wages rise in engineering the equation for off-shoring becomes more attractive. This is also happening in the legal field. Think about where that will push legal salaries.



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Postby dr123 » Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:48 am

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Re: Obama said the United States needs to produce more....

Postby Drake014 » Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:51 am

Malcolm8X wrote:
FighterPilotF22 wrote:
LLB2JD wrote:
FighterPilotF22 wrote:Engineers and less lawyers.

Ouch. what a diss.


I'll just turn the other ear, or in the case, close my eyes, and at like I didn't see this... <<backs out of thread>>


I'm just saying, that Obama is a Lawyer himself. He should be more supportive to the future of the profession.

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'The nation needs less of ME!'
-Obama

Don't we already have tons of schools like GA Tech, MIT, INCLUDING state schools that produce tons and tons of engineers?! I think the real problem lies in the fact that our manufacturing sector is going abroad. Love Obama, but I think this is a crutch statement for why our economy is doing poorly.


He meant that we need less lawyers right now. We needed more until sometime after he graduated.




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