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tmc07d
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Cooley

Postby tmc07d » Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:42 pm

Can you pretty much get in Cooley with almost any LSAT score? Or am I downgrading the school to hard lol.

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Re: Cooley

Postby mpj_3050 » Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:45 pm

tmc07d wrote:Can you pretty much get in Cooley with almost any LSAT score? Or am I downgrading the school to hard lol.


You know, earlier today I got some good advice from some people. And now this^...

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Re: Cooley

Postby joemoviebuff » Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:47 pm

HAHAHAHAHA THIS HAS NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE! OH MAN!

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Re: Cooley

Postby ResolutePear » Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:48 pm

tmc07d wrote:Can you pretty much get in Cooley with almost any LSAT score? Or am I downgrading the school to hard lol.


A 5th grader probably has the capacity to get an LSAT score acceptable for Cooley.

Not downplaying the school, because people go there - but, seriously... how bad can you possibly score even by just smacking C's down the entire test.

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Re: Cooley

Postby luckyme » Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:50 pm

joemoviebuff wrote:HAHAHAHAHA THIS HAS NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE! OH MAN!

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Re: Cooley

Postby sethc » Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:50 pm

Eeek, @OP: Don't take it personal when a ton of people flame and ridicule when they respond.. I asked a similar question once and found that TLS was not the best place to sincerely ask about Cooley. I can help with your Q's though, just PM me.. it's easier.

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Re: Cooley

Postby r6_philly » Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:51 pm

I don't think the acceptance rate is 100%.

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Re: Cooley

Postby stintez » Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:52 pm

just looked on lsn and saw someone who got rejected with a 136.

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Re: Cooley

Postby northwood » Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:53 pm

On Pt61 there are 18 c's which equals a 123
25 A's = 129
20 B's= 125
22 D's= 127
16 e'S= 121

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Re: Cooley

Postby serdog » Tue Jan 18, 2011 1:48 am

you need a lest 143 for full time but part time you only need and index of 91 which would be a min of 127 with a 4.33 if you pick restricted part time you would need a 123 with a GPA of 4.33 so 123 is the floor at Cooley
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Re: Cooley

Postby flcath » Tue Jan 18, 2011 1:52 am

I have a friend at Cooley (I know this is convenient for this thread, but it's actually true). He made in the lower 150s on the LSAT, without really any prep, and had a really bad (well below a 3.0) UGPA from the state school we went to.

I went up and visited him over Fall break and met some of his buddies there, and in all honestly, most seemed alright: funny (even witty), self-deprecating, and... well, basically not like total idiots.

This is anecdotal--and even the Cooley kids concede that there are some really stupid kids there--but I really think that Cooley wouldn't have any (shitty) national rep whatsoever were it not for the infamous rankings.
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Re: Cooley

Postby flcath » Tue Jan 18, 2011 1:56 am

flcath wrote: the infamous rankings.

To be fair though, only a truly shitty law school would claim that it's 180+ ranks better than it actually is. Thus, the Cooley bashing is fair and credited.

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Re: Cooley

Postby AreJay711 » Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:00 am

flcath wrote:
flcath wrote: the infamous rankings.

To be fair though, only a truly shitty law school would claim that it's 180+ ranks better than it actually is. Thus, the Cooley bashing is fair and credited.

This is second only to Harvard Law School, which has a 68% percent yield rate, and Yale, with a 78% rate, according to ABA data

No one proofed this apparently.

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Re: Cooley

Postby taxguy » Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:01 am

There are many points raised in this thread that I wanted to address
First, Cooley's program really isn't that bad. They have a LOT of course options in about anything you could desire.
Second, as to admission, they focus on the GPA more than the LSAT. The formula is 15 times the GPA plus the LSAT score. Frankly, I think their admission formula is more valid for determining quality kids than that found in many other schools.
Third, as to quality of students, I am sure they vary. However, I will say again, the LSAT is a crappy admission test for many reasons that I have outlined before in other posts. Thus, to say that Cooley is a bad school because of much lower median LSAT or will produce poor lawyers beause of lower LSAT scores is wrong in my opinion.
Fourth, its rankings that it uses is frankly no more bogus than that ranking used by USNWR. Who is to say that Cooley's rankings aren't more valid?

My only problems with Cooley are its many required courses, which I think are too many, and its horrible grading policy. Other than these issues, I really think it can produce as good lawyers as anywhere else.

Admittedly, you are NOT going to have many, if any, national law firms recruiting at Cooley as they would do in Michigan or Harvard. However, If a kid is willing to market themselves well and/or has some connections due to networking, I think Cooley could be a good option for those kids who didn't score well on the LSAT.

For what it's worth: I am also very egalitarian. I believe that everyone should be given a chance to be a lawyer and that the LSAT should not be as conclusive for admission as it is.
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Re: Cooley

Postby thegor1987 » Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:09 am

Yea the LSAT is such a crappy admission gauge, you only have to think really hard for 3 hour at a time for 20+ practice tests + actual test

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Re: Cooley

Postby taxguy » Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:20 am

thegor1987 wrote:Yea the LSAT is such a crappy admission gauge, you only have to think really hard for 3 hour at a time for 20+ practice tests + actual test


I am sure you were being condescending in your remarks;however, what you said isn't true for everyone. Not everyone will do well on the LSAT regardless of the work and effert that they put in. Roughly 50% of the test takers on each exam will get less than 150. Many will not see appreciable difference in scores from test to test regardless of the work and effort that they put in. Not everyone is like you who can practice 20 exams and get a 160+. In fact, most people aren't like that.

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Re: Cooley

Postby socraticmethodman » Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:23 am

I was with you taxguy, until you said this...

taxguy wrote:
thegor1987 wrote:Yea the LSAT is such a crappy admission gauge, you only have to think really hard for 3 hour at a time for 20+ practice tests + actual test


Not everyone is like you who can practice 20 exams and get a 160+. In fact, most people aren't like that.

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Re: Cooley

Postby taxguy » Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:31 am

socratingmethodman, you are entitled to your opinion. I honestly don't think that the majority of test takers could get a 160+ regardless of how hard they work.

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Re: Cooley

Postby T6Hopeful » Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:33 am

serdog wrote:you need a lest 143 for full time but part time you only need and index of 91 which would be a min of 127 with a 4.33 if you pick restricted part time you would need a 123 with a GPA of 4.33 so 123 is the floor at Cooley
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...If you have a 4.33 or anywhere above a 3.0 for that matter, you should realize that applying after only scoring anywhere near a 143 is a terrible investment in your future. At that point, unless you're absolutely hellbent on being a lawyer, it's not worth the time or the money, since that 3.0+ out of UG will probably net you the same or even better career prospects, without wasting three years or enjoying suffocating debt. I'm just being realistic. (By the way, this is not meant to be an attack on you serdog... I know that you were just responding to the original question).

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Re: Cooley

Postby traehekat » Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:33 am

What a useful thread. :roll:

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Re: Cooley

Postby WrappedUpInBooks » Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:34 am

taxguy wrote:Second, as to admission, they focus on the GPA more than the LSAT. The formula is 15 times the GPA plus the LSAT score. Frankly, I think their admission formula is more valid for determining quality kids than that found in many other schools.


15x4.0 is still only 60. So when added to an LSAT score, which is presumably above 120, the LSAT is weighted more than twice as heavily as the GPA.

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Re: Cooley

Postby Moral_Midgetry » Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:38 am

taxguy wrote:socratingmethodman, you are entitled to your opinion. I honestly don't think that the majority of test takers could get a 160+ regardless of how hard they work.


Cite you facts.

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Re: Cooley

Postby taxguy » Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:39 am

WrappedUpInBooks wrote:
taxguy wrote:Second, as to admission, they focus on the GPA more than the LSAT. The formula is 15 times the GPA plus the LSAT score. Frankly, I think their admission formula is more valid for determining quality kids than that found in many other schools.


15x4.0 is still only 60. So when added to an LSAT score, which is presumably above 120, the LSAT is weighted more than twice as heavily as the GPA.


A lot depends on their cutoff score for admission. Whether it is weighted twice as heavily as the GPA or less, they still weight the LSAT less than that of many other schools. I will bet that once the ABA eliminates the LSAT as a mandatory requirement, some law schools will make the LSAT optional and will NOT notice any change in quality among applicants. The same thing has been happening with the SAT as well.

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Re: Cooley

Postby birdlaw117 » Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:46 am

taxguy wrote:socratingmethodman, you are entitled to your opinion. I honestly don't think that the majority of test takers could get a 160+ regardless of how hard they work.

And I honestly think a majority of test takers shouldn't become lawyers.

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Re: Cooley

Postby nealric » Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:02 pm

Fourth, its rankings that it uses is frankly no more bogus than that ranking used by USNWR. Who is to say that Cooley's rankings aren't more valid?


As much as I love the Cooley rankings for the fact that they place my alma matter ahead of Yale, you have got to be kidding. Do you really think that "number of chairs in the library" is a more valid metric than a survey of what judges and lawyers think of the school?




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