Any Acceptances At or Below a 25%?

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Any Acceptances At or Below a 25%?

Postby LSATclincher » Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:33 pm

Anyone get any acceptances with a LSAT score at or below a 25%, and a GPA at or above the median?

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Re: Any Acceptances At or Below a 25%?

Postby gbpackerbacker » Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:36 pm

Seems verrry unlikely. Anecdotally, it seems that most schools are much more willing to drop for GPA than they are for LSAT. Care to share the school(s) in questions?


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Re: Any Acceptances At or Below a 25%?

Postby romothesavior » Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:37 pm

LSATclincher wrote:Anyone get any acceptances with a LSAT score at or below a 25%, and a GPA at or above the median?

Depends a lot on the school, but typically it doesn't happen without URM status or something stellar in your application.

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Re: Any Acceptances At or Below a 25%?

Postby LSATclincher » Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:43 pm

romothesavior wrote:
LSATclincher wrote:Anyone get any acceptances with a LSAT score at or below a 25%, and a GPA at or above the median?

Depends a lot on the school, but typically it doesn't happen without URM status or something stellar in your application.


1.5 of law firm WE with some pretty decent accomplishments highlighted in the PS?

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Re: Any Acceptances At or Below a 25%?

Postby LSATclincher » Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:44 pm

gbpackerbacker wrote:Seems verrry unlikely. Anecdotally, it seems that most schools are much more willing to drop for GPA than they are for LSAT. Care to share the school(s) in questions?


I'm mostly looking at PT programs:

Temple, Rutgers-C, George Mason, Maryland

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Re: Any Acceptances At or Below a 25%?

Postby dpk711 » Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:45 pm

LSATclincher wrote:
gbpackerbacker wrote:Seems verrry unlikely. Anecdotally, it seems that most schools are much more willing to drop for GPA than they are for LSAT. Care to share the school(s) in questions?


I'm mostly looking at PT programs:

Temple, Rutgers-C, George Mason, Maryland


Your numbers are below the 25% at these schools?

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Re: Any Acceptances At or Below a 25%?

Postby gbpackerbacker » Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:45 pm

LSATclincher wrote:
romothesavior wrote:
LSATclincher wrote:Anyone get any acceptances with a LSAT score at or below a 25%, and a GPA at or above the median?

Depends a lot on the school, but typically it doesn't happen without URM status or something stellar in your application.


1.5 of law firm WE with some pretty decent accomplishments highlighted in the PS?


I would define stellar as a Rhodes, military award, significant publication, etc...

It does not seem that that 1.5 yr WE will help you out.

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Re: Any Acceptances At or Below a 25%?

Postby LSATclincher » Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:46 pm

dpk711 wrote:
LSATclincher wrote:
gbpackerbacker wrote:Seems verrry unlikely. Anecdotally, it seems that most schools are much more willing to drop for GPA than they are for LSAT. Care to share the school(s) in questions?


I'm mostly looking at PT programs:

Temple, Rutgers-C, George Mason, Maryland


Your numbers are below the 25% at these schools?


LSAT score is either at or 1pt below the 25% at these schools.

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Re: Any Acceptances At or Below a 25%?

Postby energizer » Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:51 pm

How about if you fall within the range for LSAT (eg, LSAT 156 with their lowest being 155 and GPA 3.8 above the 75% mark) good softs, LORS

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Re: Any Acceptances At or Below a 25%?

Postby LSATclincher » Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:56 pm

energizer wrote:How about if you fall within the range for LSAT (eg, LSAT 156 with their lowest being 155 and GPA 3.8 above the 75% mark) good softs, LORS


I think your GPA should give you some extra weight. From everything I've seen, it looks like there's really no way to predict it. In creating this thread, I was looking for some people who have gotten actual acceptances. And then deciding if some other factors came into play: a plus PS, legal WE, LOR's from attorneys, etc. I'm trying to see if schools actually want people who've experienced the law, or it's 100% about the #'s.

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Re: Any Acceptances At or Below a 25%?

Postby romothesavior » Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:58 pm

LSATclincher wrote:LSAT score is either at or 1pt below the 25% at these schools.

Without knowing where you're talking about, I'm just gonna say you're probably out. While the 75%ile is usually just above median, the 25%ile is usually way below median. I'm gonna guess you're, what, 5-8 points below median?

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Re: Any Acceptances At or Below a 25%?

Postby LSATclincher » Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:03 pm

romothesavior wrote:
LSATclincher wrote:LSAT score is either at or 1pt below the 25% at these schools.

Without knowing where you're talking about, I'm just gonna say you're probably out. While the 75%ile is usually just above median, the 25%ile is usually way below median. I'm gonna guess you're, what, 5-8 points below median?


Some schools I'm only 1-3 points below the median. But's tough to say because I'm also applying PT. I know PT programs loosen restrictions a bit. I did list some schools above.

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Re: Any Acceptances At or Below a 25%?

Postby energizer » Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:05 pm

miami fsu uf

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Re: Any Acceptances At or Below a 25%?

Postby LSATclincher » Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:06 pm

energizer wrote:miami fsu uf


I'd say your IN at Miami with little doubt. Are you a FL resident?

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Re: Any Acceptances At or Below a 25%?

Postby gbpackerbacker » Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:07 pm

LSATclincher wrote:
romothesavior wrote:
LSATclincher wrote:LSAT score is either at or 1pt below the 25% at these schools.

Without knowing where you're talking about, I'm just gonna say you're probably out. While the 75%ile is usually just above median, the 25%ile is usually way below median. I'm gonna guess you're, what, 5-8 points below median?


Some schools I'm only 1-3 points below the median. But's tough to say because I'm also applying PT. I know PT programs loosen restrictions a bit. I did list some schools above.


If your LSAT is not just 1-3 points below FT median, I would say you have good chances at a PT accept.

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Re: Any Acceptances At or Below a 25%?

Postby DeeCee » Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:08 pm

I got into both American and Maryland full time with a 157 and a 3.93.

I was believe I was below the 25th percentile in LSAT and above the 75th for GPA. Oh, I was also WL at GW, and I'm way below the 25th on LSAT there.

EDIT: I also got into Northeastern with $$ and I think I'm right at their 25th.
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Re: Any Acceptances At or Below a 25%?

Postby LSATclincher » Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:09 pm

DCLaw11 wrote:I got into both American and Maryland full time with a 157 and a 3.93.

I was believe I was below the 25th percentile in LSAT and above the 75th for GPA. Oh, I was also WL at GW, and I'm way below the 25th on LSAT there.


Interesting. What are you going to choose? Any scholarships?

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Re: Any Acceptances At or Below a 25%?

Postby DeeCee » Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:14 pm

LSATclincher wrote:
DCLaw11 wrote:I got into both American and Maryland full time with a 157 and a 3.93.

I was believe I was below the 25th percentile in LSAT and above the 75th for GPA. Oh, I was also WL at GW, and I'm way below the 25th on LSAT there.


Interesting. What are you going to choose? Any scholarships?


I'm really torn about where I will go. I'm also waiting on UNC....I'm in-state there and at their 25th for LSAT and 75th for GPA. American has sent me an email encouraging me to apply for their PIPS scholarship (I believe that's what it's called). I haven't heard anything about money from anyone except Northeastern, I think I won't hear anything until I fill out Need Access/FAFSA. If no money from anywhere and I get into UNC, I'll go there because tuition is only $17k a year and I'm kind of debt-averse.

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Re: Any Acceptances At or Below a 25%?

Postby LSATclincher » Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:18 pm

DCLaw11 wrote:
LSATclincher wrote:
DCLaw11 wrote:I got into both American and Maryland full time with a 157 and a 3.93.

I was believe I was below the 25th percentile in LSAT and above the 75th for GPA. Oh, I was also WL at GW, and I'm way below the 25th on LSAT there.


Interesting. What are you going to choose? Any scholarships?


I'm really torn about where I will go. I'm also waiting on UNC....I'm in-state there and at their 25th for LSAT and 75th for GPA. American has sent me an email encouraging me to apply for their PIPS scholarship (I believe that's what it's called). I haven't heard anything about money from anyone except Northeastern, I think I won't hear anything until I fill out Need Access/FAFSA. If no money from anywhere and I get into UNC, I'll go there because tuition is only $17k a year and I'm kind of debt-averse.


I'm looking at public schools with in-state discounts, too. The need access only uses your income, right? Not your parents, even if you live with them?

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Re: Any Acceptances At or Below a 25%?

Postby DeeCee » Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:21 pm

LSATclincher wrote:
DCLaw11 wrote:
LSATclincher wrote:
DCLaw11 wrote:I got into both American and Maryland full time with a 157 and a 3.93.

I was believe I was below the 25th percentile in LSAT and above the 75th for GPA. Oh, I was also WL at GW, and I'm way below the 25th on LSAT there.


Interesting. What are you going to choose? Any scholarships?


I'm really torn about where I will go. I'm also waiting on UNC....I'm in-state there and at their 25th for LSAT and 75th for GPA. American has sent me an email encouraging me to apply for their PIPS scholarship (I believe that's what it's called). I haven't heard anything about money from anyone except Northeastern, I think I won't hear anything until I fill out Need Access/FAFSA. If no money from anywhere and I get into UNC, I'll go there because tuition is only $17k a year and I'm kind of debt-averse.


I'm looking at public schools with in-state discounts, too. The need access only uses your income, right? Not your parents, even if you live with them?


I'm not sure. I'm in a tricky situation now (as I'm sure many are). My parents will not be supporting me, and they have not for 2 years as I am currently a Master's student. But, I know some schools will not process grants and things without adding your parents to the FAFSA. I have yet to look at the Need Access application.

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Re: Any Acceptances At or Below a 25%?

Postby northwood » Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:24 pm

This is taken off of the University of Louisville's fall 2010 entering class profile from their website. Some schools want stronger canidates( either their LSAT or GPA- in this case they want a better LSAT score) for their pt program than their fulltime program.

Highest LSAT Score for the entire entering class
75th % - 160 Median - 157 25th % - 155
GPA Statistics for the entire entering class

75th % - 3.67 Median - 3.39 25th % - 3.1
Highest LSAT Score for the Full Time Program
75th % - 159 Median - 157 25th % - 154
GPA Statistics for the Full Time Program
75th % - 3.68
Median - 3.4
25th % - 3.08

Highest LSAT Score for the Part Time Program
75 % 162 Median - 159 25 % - 155
GPA Statistics for the Part Time Program
75 % - 3.35 Median - 3.28 25 % - 3.27

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Re: Any Acceptances At or Below a 25%?

Postby DeeCee » Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:27 pm

northwood wrote:This is taken off of the University of Louisville's fall 2010 entering class profile from their website. Some schools want stronger canidates( either their LSAT or GPA- in this case they want a better LSAT score) for their pt program than their fulltime program.

Highest LSAT Score for the entire entering class
75th % - 160 Median - 157 25th % - 155
GPA Statistics for the entire entering class

75th % - 3.67 Median - 3.39 25th % - 3.1
Highest LSAT Score for the Full Time Program
75th % - 159 Median - 157 25th % - 154
GPA Statistics for the Full Time Program
75th % - 3.68
Median - 3.4
25th % - 3.08

Highest LSAT Score for the Part Time Program
75 % 162 Median - 159 25 % - 155
GPA Statistics for the Part Time Program
75 % - 3.35 Median - 3.28 25 % - 3.27


That's strange. I bet it's because of what happened to GW a year or two ago where they went down 8 spots because their PT program had lower LSATs then the FT, and US News started factoring both PT and FT scores in their ranking.

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Re: Any Acceptances At or Below a 25%?

Postby energizer » Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:33 pm

FIU versus Miami at ticket for Florida resident wanting to stay in Florida. What would you choose?

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Re: Any Acceptances At or Below a 25%?

Postby DeeCee » Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:33 pm

energizer wrote:FIU versus Miami at ticket for Florida resident wanting to stay in Florida. What would you choose?


If both are at sticker, definitely Miami.




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