Yale worth $12 dollar report fee?

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Re: Yale worth $12 dollar report fee?

Postby Moral_Midgetry » Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:09 am

pu_golf88 wrote:
Moral_Midgetry wrote:I read through all of this only because I wanted to know if this was a selftar. I still don't know. Bullshit.


I know, right?


Seriously. One good thing has come out of this. Check out idfatq's post on EDIted OUT BY MODS account associated with this picture and read some of the questions. Highlights: "Is a handie better than a blowie?," "How do you feel about guy friends fantasizing about you? Or getting off to the thought of you?,"Pretty simple question. What's your favorite position? Doggy here!"

I lol'd.

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Re: Yale worth $12 dollar report fee?

Postby r6_philly » Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:14 am

Bildungsroman wrote:
Nobody cares about the score except how it impacts the ranking.


Based on this statement:

you = nobody

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Re: Yale worth $12 dollar report fee?

Postby r6_philly » Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:16 am

In a more serious reply

OP wrote:You fail. Increasing Yale's selectivity does not impact anyone below it.



Impacted: YES
Meaningfully impacted: Maybe not

But let's stay within the scope of the original statement - it DOES impact anyone below it.

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Re: Yale worth $12 dollar report fee?

Postby Bildungsroman » Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:19 am

r6_philly wrote:
Bildungsroman wrote:
Nobody cares about the score except how it impacts the ranking.


Based on this statement:

you = nobody


Notice how, even amongst the prestige-obsessed USNWR-fellaters that you see so many of on TLS, nobody talks about the raw score? It's all about the rankings, and since they're relative, the school that's ranked #1 increasing the margin of its victory over #2 doesn't hurt any other school.

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Re: Yale worth $12 dollar report fee?

Postby r6_philly » Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:20 am

Bildungsroman wrote:
r6_philly wrote:
Bildungsroman wrote:
Nobody cares about the score except how it impacts the ranking.


Based on this statement:

you = nobody


Notice how, even amongst the prestige-obsessed USNWR-fellaters that you see so many of on TLS, nobody talks about the raw score? It's all about the rankings, and since they're relative, the school that's ranked #1 increasing the margin of its victory over #2 doesn't hurt any other school.


Buzz Killington! It was a joke ;)

See my other reply.

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Re: Yale worth $12 dollar report fee?

Postby pereira6 » Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:52 pm

r6_philly wrote:
Bildungsroman wrote:
r6_philly wrote:
Bildungsroman wrote:
Nobody cares about the score except how it impacts the ranking.


Based on this statement:

you = nobody


Notice how, even amongst the prestige-obsessed USNWR-fellaters that you see so many of on TLS, nobody talks about the raw score? It's all about the rankings, and since they're relative, the school that's ranked #1 increasing the margin of its victory over #2 doesn't hurt any other school.


Buzz Killington! It was a joke ;)

See my other reply.


Philly I'm the one who's Buzz Killington around these parts haha...I made super6 sad in the 170 thread :(

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Re: Yale worth $12 dollar report fee?

Postby paulinaporizkova » Mon Jan 17, 2011 4:06 pm

r6_philly wrote:
paulinaporizkova wrote:
yes i know this, but i am making the point that microscopic changes can occur even if they don't really affect any rankings quantitatively - you might not be able to measure the change unless it happens on a huge scale, but the change is still there. it just might not change any numbers people actually look at with respect to law school rankings. so, i think by definition, yale's selectivity affects everyone below it, albeit marginally of course. just defending myself against accusations of "failing".


+1

Since it's all relative, moving the point of reference (the school that scores 100) will impact below. Won't impact the ranking, but it will impact the perceived quality of all other schools because the relative score will be slightly lower for all schools below.


thank you r6! in my small mind i win!

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Re: Yale worth $12 dollar report fee?

Postby paulinaporizkova » Mon Jan 17, 2011 4:13 pm

Bildungsroman wrote:
paulinaporizkova wrote:
HopefulFish wrote:
paulinaporizkova wrote:no, because you just further serve to increase yale's selectivity by rejecting you and thus you marginally hurt the law school you end up attending by making it look even worse than it already does compared to yale.

FWIW, i don't think any people really get admitted to yale anyway - just fairies and unicorns


You fail. Increasing Yale's selectivity does not impact anyone below it.


Let's say Yale is ranked on a weighted index that includes selectivity, so that selectivity index score lines up on a scale compared to all other index scores in that category after it is given a certain weight. If Yale is the most selective school, its index is 100 and everyone else's number is put on a 0 (1?) - 100 scale where they score accordingly based on their relative selectivities. If 10,000 more people apply to Yale this year than last year (and it's already the most selective) and no one else experiences a marked increase in applications, Yale's score would stay at 100 but everyone else's would move lower, multiplied by a certain percent to ultimately make a whole. If Yale admitted 5% of applicants last year but 2% this year and Harvard admitted 6% of applicants last year and 6% this year, Harvard's index would decrease in this category relative to Yale's 100. If it's a 98 now maybe it would move to 97 or decrease by some fragment of a number, when compared to Yale.

Cue at least 10 people jumping on this post in the next hour.


Since all rankings are relative to one another (at least in the top 100), the most highly-ranked school getting an even higher score doesn't affect the position of any other schools, since they'll stay the same ranked as compared to one another ceteris paribus.

Edit: Unless your contention is that a lower raw score by USNWR, even if the rankings stay totally the same order, will somehow hurt schools. That would be a silly contention, since the raw scores (the 1 - 100 scale) are totally meaningless except as a tool of ranking schools against one another, so nobody gives a shit about the raw scores. A lower raw score, but everyone else with a lower raw score as well, doesn't hurt anyone. Sure, it may increase the gulf between Yale and Harvard, but I think it was Leiter who pretty clearly outlined why the mechanics of the USNWR ranking system mean that it would be pretty much impossible for Harvard to ever close that gap.


Yes that makes perfect sense to me - my only contention was that the gulf between yale and all other schools (insert your school here) would increase.

also, ftr, my original post was supposed to be funny....but i guess me constantly trying to be funny isnt always appreciated on TLS (i mean, Hopeful applying to yale where she (he?) probably won't get in, this isn't really that serious of a thread anyway)

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Re: Yale worth $12 dollar report fee?

Postby r6_philly » Mon Jan 17, 2011 5:02 pm

paulinaporizkova wrote:Yes that makes perfect sense to me - my only contention was that the gulf between yale and all other schools (insert your school here) would increase.

also, ftr, my original post was supposed to be funny....but i guess me constantly trying to be funny isnt always appreciated on TLS (i mean, Hopeful applying to yale where she (he?) probably won't get in, this isn't really that serious of a thread anyway)


Need to use more emoticons. :lol:




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