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Are Duke and Northwestern on par with MVP...

Postby BoomBoom1986 » Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:49 pm

for career prospects? Or are MVP generally regarded as >>> Duke + NU

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Re: Are Duke and Northwestern on par with MVP...

Postby quakeroats » Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:55 pm

BoomBoom1986 wrote:for career prospects? Or are MVP generally regarded as >>> Duke + NU


For New York: Penn/Duke > UVA/Northwestern >> Michigan

For D.C.: Duke/UVA > Penn/Northwestern >> Michigan

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Re: Are Duke and Northwestern on par with MVP...

Postby Fresh » Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:56 pm

quakeroats wrote:
BoomBoom1986 wrote:for career prospects? Or are MVP generally regarded as >>> Duke + NU


For New York: Penn/Duke > UVA/Northwestern >> Michigan

For D.C.: Duke/UVA > Penn/Northwestern >> Michigan


Blatant anti-Michigan trolling

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Re: Are Duke and Northwestern on par with MVP...

Postby Cavalier » Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:57 pm

quakeroats wrote:
BoomBoom1986 wrote:for career prospects? Or are MVP generally regarded as >>> Duke + NU


For New York: Penn/Duke > UVA/Northwestern >> Michigan

For D.C.: Duke/UVA > Penn/Northwestern >> Michigan

Are you retarded?

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Re: Are Duke and Northwestern on par with MVP...

Postby quakeroats » Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:58 pm

Cavalier wrote:
quakeroats wrote:
BoomBoom1986 wrote:for career prospects? Or are MVP generally regarded as >>> Duke + NU


For New York: Penn/Duke > UVA/Northwestern >> Michigan

For D.C.: Duke/UVA > Penn/Northwestern >> Michigan

Are you retarded?


Which part are you disagreeing with?

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Re: Are Duke and Northwestern on par with MVP...

Postby Cavalier » Fri Jan 07, 2011 4:59 pm

quakeroats wrote:
Cavalier wrote:
quakeroats wrote:
BoomBoom1986 wrote:for career prospects? Or are MVP generally regarded as >>> Duke + NU


For New York: Penn/Duke > UVA/Northwestern >> Michigan

For D.C.: Duke/UVA > Penn/Northwestern >> Michigan

Are you retarded?


Which part are you disagreeing with?

Duke is not equal to UVA for DC. Duke is not better than UVA for NY. And most obviously, Duke is better than Michigan at nothing except basketball.

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Re: Are Duke and Northwestern on par with MVP...

Postby justadude55 » Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:00 pm

I know UPENN is the best for NY.

I have heard DUKE struggles in NY.

I know DUKE and UVA do well in DC.

For Chicago, I'd imagine it's MICHIGAN but IDK.

In general, I think you can throw Northwestern into the MVP mix (I think a big part of the MVP breakdown is it sounds a lot better than MVPN). I think DUKE is a bit outside of the rest of them.

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Re: Are Duke and Northwestern on par with MVP...

Postby 09042014 » Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:00 pm

So are Boalt and Cornell.

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Re: Are Duke and Northwestern on par with MVP...

Postby clintonius » Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:05 pm

Man. I was hoping to get in before quakeroats, but I should've known he'd be the first responder.

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Re: Are Duke and Northwestern on par with MVP...

Postby quakeroats » Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:08 pm

Cavalier wrote:
quakeroats wrote:
quakeroats wrote:
BoomBoom1986 wrote:for career prospects? Or are MVP generally regarded as >>> Duke + NU


For New York: Penn/Duke > UVA/Northwestern >> Michigan

For D.C.: Duke/UVA > Penn/Northwestern >> Michigan
Are you retarded?


Which part are you disagreeing with?

Duke is not equal to UVA for DC. Duke is not better than UVA for NY. And most obviously, Duke is better than Michigan at nothing except basketball.


Duke is actually better for D.C. than UVA, but I'm sorting by tier as it isn't that much better. Ditto N.Y. placement except there the difference is much greater, hence the change in position. This was thoroughly hashed out here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=106568&start=50

As for Michigan, it's been on it's way out for 30 years. Right now it places about as well as Cornell. In another 30 years it will be Boston College without a major market.

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Re: Are Duke and Northwestern on par with MVP...

Postby IAFG » Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:12 pm

Is any school really "good" for DC biglaw?

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Re: Are Duke and Northwestern on par with MVP...

Postby quakeroats » Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:13 pm

IAFG wrote:Is any school really "good" for DC biglaw?


Excellent point. My posts are about relative placement. It's all just a different shade of brown at the moment.

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Re: Are Duke and Northwestern on par with MVP...

Postby BoomBoom1986 » Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:16 pm

justadude55 wrote:I know UPENN is the best for NY.

I have heard DUKE struggles in NY.

I know DUKE and UVA do well in DC.

For Chicago, I'd imagine it's MICHIGAN but IDK.

In general, I think you can throw Northwestern into the MVP mix (I think a big part of the MVP breakdown is it sounds a lot better than MVPN). I think DUKE is a bit outside of the rest of them.


But I thought Duke did really well in NYC????

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Re: Are Duke and Northwestern on par with MVP...

Postby AreJay711 » Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:23 pm

quakeroats wrote:Duke is actually better for D.C. than UVA, but I'm sorting by tier as it isn't that much better. Ditto N.Y. placement except there the difference is much greater, hence the change in position. This was thoroughly hashed out here: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 8&start=50

As for Michigan, it's been on it's way out for 30 years. Right now it places about as well as Cornell. In another 30 years it will be Boston College without a major market.

That link is you just talking BS -- I remember when it was active.

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Re: Are Duke and Northwestern on par with MVP...

Postby quakeroats » Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:27 pm

AreJay711 wrote:
quakeroats wrote:Duke is actually better for D.C. than UVA, but I'm sorting by tier as it isn't that much better. Ditto N.Y. placement except there the difference is much greater, hence the change in position. This was thoroughly hashed out here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=106568&start=50

As for Michigan, it's been on it's way out for 30 years. Right now it places about as well as Cornell. In another 30 years it will be Boston College without a major market.

That link is you just talking BS -- I remember when it was active.


It's 19 degrees and snowing in Ann Arbor.

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Re: Are Duke and Northwestern on par with MVP...

Postby clintonius » Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:33 pm

quakeroats wrote:
AreJay711 wrote:
quakeroats wrote:Duke is actually better for D.C. than UVA, but I'm sorting by tier as it isn't that much better. Ditto N.Y. placement except there the difference is much greater, hence the change in position. This was thoroughly hashed out here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=106568&start=50

As for Michigan, it's been on it's way out for 30 years. Right now it places about as well as Cornell. In another 30 years it will be Boston College without a major market.
That link is you just talking BS -- I remember when it was active.
It's 19 degrees and snowing in Ann Arbor.

And it's raining Bridge to Practice grants in Durham.

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Re: Are Duke and Northwestern on par with MVP...

Postby BoomBoom1986 » Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:38 pm

Anymore thoughts? I'm really interested in this, especially how Duke stacks up against MVP (still haven't heard from NU)...

So, how does Duke fair in NYC compared to MVP? I've seen two opinions in this thread. Who wants to be the tie-breaker?

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Re: Are Duke and Northwestern on par with MVP...

Postby BoomBoom1986 » Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:38 pm

clintonius wrote:
quakeroats wrote:
AreJay711 wrote:
quakeroats wrote:Duke is actually better for D.C. than UVA, but I'm sorting by tier as it isn't that much better. Ditto N.Y. placement except there the difference is much greater, hence the change in position. This was thoroughly hashed out here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=106568&start=50

As for Michigan, it's been on it's way out for 30 years. Right now it places about as well as Cornell. In another 30 years it will be Boston College without a major market.
That link is you just talking BS -- I remember when it was active.
It's 19 degrees and snowing in Ann Arbor.

And it's raining Bridge to Practice grants in Durham.


What are these?

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Re: Are Duke and Northwestern on par with MVP...

Postby quakeroats » Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:44 pm

BoomBoom1986 wrote:
clintonius wrote:
quakeroats wrote:
quakeroats wrote:Duke is actually better for D.C. than UVA, but I'm sorting by tier as it isn't that much better. Ditto N.Y. placement except there the difference is much greater, hence the change in position. This was thoroughly hashed out here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=106568&start=50

As for Michigan, it's been on it's way out for 30 years. Right now it places about as well as Cornell. In another 30 years it will be Boston College without a major market.
That link is you just talking BS -- I remember when it was active.
It's 19 degrees and snowing in Ann Arbor.
And it's raining Bridge to Practice grants in Durham.


What are these?


It's where Duke pays employers to take on the students at the very bottom of the class. While this is styled as a criticism, I think it's more properly a bonus. If you utterly fail in law school Duke will pay someone to employ you; good luck to the similarly situated at UVA and Michigan.

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Re: Are Duke and Northwestern on par with MVP...

Postby Gaucho » Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:45 pm

BoomBoom1986 wrote:It's 19 degrees and snowing in Ann Arbor.

And it's raining Bridge to Practice grants in Durham.


What are these?


I'd love to know as well.

(BTW it's a cool 67 degrees and sunny skies here in socal :) )

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Re: Are Duke and Northwestern on par with MVP...

Postby BoomBoom1986 » Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:47 pm

As for Michigan, it's been on it's way out for 30 years. Right now it places about as well as Cornell. In another 30 years it will be Boston College without a major market.
That link is you just talking BS -- I remember when it was active.[/quote]It's 19 degrees and snowing in Ann Arbor.
And it's raining Bridge to Practice grants in Durham.[/quote]

What are these?[/quote]

It's where Duke pays employers to take on the students at the very bottom of the class. While this is styled as a criticism, I think it's more properly a bonus. If you utterly fail in law school Duke will pay someone to employ you; good luck to the similarly situated at UVA and Michigan.[/quote][/quote]
Yeah, that seems like a good thing.
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Re: Are Duke and Northwestern on par with MVP...

Postby AreJay711 » Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:48 pm

BoomBoom1986 wrote:Yeah, that seems like a good thing.

It isn't terrible except that so many people need them. (edit: Which was the point of comment)

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Re: Are Duke and Northwestern on par with MVP...

Postby BoomBoom1986 » Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:51 pm

AreJay711 wrote:
BoomBoom1986 wrote:Yeah, that seems like a good thing.

It isn't terrible except that so many people need them. (edit: Which was the point of comment)


Well how many? And more importantly, are employment prospects better at Michigan, Penn and UVA than at Duke?

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Re: Are Duke and Northwestern on par with MVP...

Postby IAFG » Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:52 pm

quakeroats wrote:
IAFG wrote:Is any school really "good" for DC biglaw?


Excellent point. My posts are about relative placement. It's all just a different shade of brown at the moment.

TLS conventional wisdom is that DC doesn't have many loyalties to local schools, instead taking the top of the class from a wide variety of schools. I bet that is dependent on practice area though. In my practice area of choice (not litigation) there are always lots of "local" school grads at DC/Northern VA firms

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Re: Are Duke and Northwestern on par with MVP...

Postby AreJay711 » Fri Jan 07, 2011 5:57 pm

BoomBoom1986 wrote:
AreJay711 wrote:
BoomBoom1986 wrote:Yeah, that seems like a good thing.

It isn't terrible except that so many people need them. (edit: Which was the point of comment)


Well how many? And more importantly, are employment prospects better at Michigan, Penn and UVA than at Duke?

Idk, quaker is the only one who I have seen that says Duke is on par. NU is but not necessarily because of the strength of the school but possibly because of the WE students have. I find this decently compelling:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=108528 - A clerkship + Biglaw composite someone on TLS made.

http://pdfserver.amlaw.com/nlj/law%20sc ... page12.pdf -Go to school list




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