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Soft Factors

Postby careerchange2010 » Sun Dec 12, 2010 4:35 pm

I'm reviewing my soft factors and trying to figure out what admissions committees will be most interested in. I'm also trying to figure out how much these factors will help me. Let me know your thoughts.

1) Master's Degree

2) 2 Years of AmeriCorps Service

3) Established a business

4) First Generation College Student

5) Worked 40 hours per week while doing undergraduate studies full-time

6) Undergraduate Activities - Vice President of Weekend Events for University Program Board, SGA Senator, Late Night Taskforce Member, Honors Program
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Re: Soft Factors

Postby nealric » Sun Dec 12, 2010 4:42 pm

None of the above will massively change your law school admissions profile. Most soft factors, other than URM status, will only affect people who are on the edge of "admit" or "deny".

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Re: Soft Factors

Postby kalvano » Sun Dec 12, 2010 7:36 pm

careerchange2010 wrote:I'm review my soft factors and trying to figure out what admissions committees will be most interested. I



Your LSAT and your GPA.

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Re: Soft Factors

Postby adt231 » Sun Dec 12, 2010 7:53 pm

kalvano wrote:
careerchange2010 wrote:I'm review my soft factors and trying to figure out what admissions committees will be most interested. I



Your LSAT and your GPA.


Obviously kalvano didn't read your post properly.

But I'd probably do the following with softs like yours: only highlight 5 and 6 on your resume (obviously all of these except #4 should go on your resume, but I would not address 5 and 6 in any of your essays), 4 should only be mentioned if it as at all relevant to the theme of your PS, or Why X essay, or another optional essay -- definitely don't force it in your application somewhere, it's not that great of a soft even though I personally think it is significant. And 1, 2 and 3 are definitely important to underscore, perhaps each of them at length if you have available space. I'm not an adcomm, obviously, but it seems to me that they are going to ask: why did this person get a master's degree in field x, what motivated them to do 2 years of americorp and what motivated them to start a business, and most importantly, given this person's interests in field x and in education and whatever business sector, why the heck do they want to go to law school? Perhaps talk about how your projects are interrelated (if true).

In short, your first 3 softs are very good, I'd say, but you want to sell them to an adcomm in a sincere, coherent way so they can finish reviewing your application and have a theme in mind that somewhat captures you.

Good luck!

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Re: Soft Factors

Postby kalvano » Sun Dec 12, 2010 7:54 pm

adt231 wrote:
kalvano wrote:
careerchange2010 wrote:I'm review my soft factors and trying to figure out what admissions committees will be most interested. I



Your LSAT and your GPA.


Obviously kalvano didn't read your post properly.



Yes I did.

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Re: Soft Factors

Postby adt231 » Sun Dec 12, 2010 9:20 pm

kalvano wrote:
adt231 wrote:
kalvano wrote:
careerchange2010 wrote:I'm review my soft factors and trying to figure out what admissions committees will be most interested. I



Your LSAT and your GPA.


Obviously kalvano didn't read your post properly.



Yes I did.


Nope. Whenever reading or hearing a claim made by someone, one ALWAYS needs to (a) use the context under which the claim is made or uttered to distinguish between possible meanings of the claim and to (b) do so in a charitable way. The OP's originally claim was: "I'm review my soft factors and trying to figure out what admissions committees will be most interested." When correcting the minor errors the claim becomes: "I'm review[ing] my soft factors and trying to figure out what admission committees will be most interested [in]."

Now, how is it best to understand this? One option is to parse the independent clauses of the sentences apart, leaving two disjointed claims: (i) "I'm review[ing] my soft factors" and, (ii) "[I am] trying to figure out what admission committees will be most interested [in]." Then you proceeded to answer OP in regards to claim (ii). This is obviously not the way to understand the original claim. A second, and preferred, way to understand the original claim is as follows: "I'm review[ing] my soft factors and trying to figure out what admission committees will be most interested [in out of my following softs]." This is clearly a better interpretation since the OP continues on after this claim to list his softs. There is no mention of his GPA and LSAT. Given this glaring absence and the context under which the original claim was made, the second interpretation is the appropriate one.

Kalvano, it follows that you either read the post incorrectly or misunderstand the appropriate application of the concept of a 'soft factor' (as distinguished from a 'hard factor'). I was being charitable towards yourself and presuming the latter was not the case and, thus, inferred the former. Was I mistaken to be charitable in this regard?

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Re: Soft Factors

Postby ahduth » Sun Dec 12, 2010 9:25 pm

I'd throw out there that it really depends on what type of business you started. If you started a firm that helps companies outsource their legal work to India, I think you're in wherever you want to go.

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Re: Soft Factors

Postby eaglemuncher » Sun Dec 12, 2010 9:34 pm

adt231.. that was the best response to anything I have ever read on the site, thank you.

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Re: Soft Factors

Postby St.Remy » Sun Dec 12, 2010 9:44 pm

adt231 wrote:Nope. Whenever reading or hearing a claim made by someone, one ALWAYS needs to (a) use the context under which the claim is made or uttered to distinguish between possible meanings of the claim and to (b) do so in a charitable way. The OP's originally claim was: "I'm review my soft factors and trying to figure out what admissions committees will be most interested." When correcting the minor errors the claim becomes: "I'm review[ing] my soft factors and trying to figure out what admission committees will be most interested [in]."

Now, how is it best to understand this? One option is to parse the independent clauses of the sentences apart, leaving two disjointed claims: (i) "I'm review[ing] my soft factors" and, (ii) "[I am] trying to figure out what admission committees will be most interested [in]." Then you proceeded to answer OP in regards to claim (ii). This is obviously not the way to understand the original claim. A second, and preferred, way to understand the original claim is as follows: "I'm review[ing] my soft factors and trying to figure out what admission committees will be most interested [in out of my following softs]." This is clearly a better interpretation since the OP continues on after this claim to list his softs. There is no mention of his GPA and LSAT. Given this glaring absence and the context under which the original claim was made, the second interpretation is the appropriate one.

Kalvano, it follows that you either read the post incorrectly or misunderstand the appropriate application of the concept of a 'soft factor' (as distinguished from a 'hard factor'). I was being charitable towards yourself and presuming the latter was not the case and, thus, inferred the former. Was I mistaken to be charitable in this regard?


Pretty sure that Kalvano was trying to humorously point out the fact that none of the listed soft factors would have a discernible effect on the range of schools which OP has a chance at, which is TCR.

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Re: Soft Factors

Postby s0ph1e2007 » Sun Dec 12, 2010 9:47 pm

careerchange2010 wrote:I'm review my soft factors and trying to figure out what admissions committees will be most interested. I'm also trying to figure out how much these factors will help me. Let me know your thoughts.

1) Master's Degree

2) 2 Years of AmeriCorps Service

3) Established a business

4) First Generation College Student

5) Worked 40 hours per week while doing undergraduate studies full-time

6) Undergraduate Activities - Vice President of Weekend Events for University Program Board, SGA Senator, Late Night Taskforce Member, Honors Program


They'll probably like AmeriCorps the most in general
Although NU will like 3) more

Add one point to your LSAT or something similar and move on from there

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Re: Soft Factors

Postby James Bond » Sun Dec 12, 2010 9:49 pm

eaglemuncher wrote:adt231.. that was the best response to anything I have ever read on the site, thank you.


you've been here for a month...

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Re: Soft Factors

Postby WhatSarahSaid » Sun Dec 12, 2010 9:55 pm

James Bond wrote:
eaglemuncher wrote:adt231.. that was the best response to anything I have ever read on the site, thank you.


you've been here for a month...


Nope, you've got it wrong.

The OP's original claim was: "that was the best response to anything I have ever read on the site, thank you." When correcting the minor errors the claim becomes: "That was the best response; to anything I have ever read on the site, thank you."

Now, how is it best to understand this? Clearly, the person was saying that the response given was the best of all possible responses. After that, he then broke into a tangent thanking everyone who has ever posted on TLS, which was very kind of him.

Clearly, you have interpreted his quote incorrectly, because you aren't charitable enough or something.

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Re: Soft Factors

Postby TheTallOne0602 » Sun Dec 12, 2010 9:57 pm

Just don't ask about softs on TLS. The vast majority of responses are coming from people who have no clue what adcomms look at. Will decent-to-good softs bump you above people who scored significantly higher than you on the LSAT/GPA? No. But there are literally hundreds/thousands (depending on the school) of people with your numbers who are also applying, and soft factors are the only way to differentiate them.

But even beyond that, who knows what they care about, softs-wise? We only have anecdotal evidence at best. I mean, sure, Rhodes >>> president of a school club, but beyond the blatantly obvious, it might have to do with what kind of lunch the person reviewing your application just ate.

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Re: Soft Factors

Postby TheTallOne0602 » Sun Dec 12, 2010 9:58 pm

WhatSarahSaid wrote:
James Bond wrote:
eaglemuncher wrote:adt231.. that was the best response to anything I have ever read on the site, thank you.


you've been here for a month...


Nope, you've got it wrong.

The OP's original claim was: "that was the best response to anything I have ever read on the site, thank you." When correcting the minor errors the claim becomes: "That was the best response; to anything I have ever read on the site, thank you."

Now, how is it best to understand this? Clearly, the person was saying that the response given was the best of all possible responses. After that, he then broke into a tangent thanking everyone who has ever posted on TLS, which was very kind of him.

Clearly, you have interpreted his quote incorrectly, because you aren't charitable enough or something.


This made me laugh out loud. :D

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Re: Soft Factors

Postby James Bond » Sun Dec 12, 2010 10:12 pm

WhatSarahSaid wrote:
James Bond wrote:
eaglemuncher wrote:adt231.. that was the best response to anything I have ever read on the site, thank you.


you've been here for a month...


Nope, you've got it wrong.

The OP's original claim was: "that was the best response to anything I have ever read on the site, thank you." When correcting the minor errors the claim becomes: "That was the best response; to anything I have ever read on the site, thank you."

Now, how is it best to understand this? Clearly, the person was saying that the response given was the best of all possible responses. After that, he then broke into a tangent thanking everyone who has ever posted on TLS, which was very kind of him.

Clearly, you have interpreted his quote incorrectly, because you aren't charitable enough or something.


:? :lol:

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Re: Soft Factors

Postby kalvano » Sun Dec 12, 2010 10:49 pm

adt231 wrote:Nope. Whenever reading or hearing a claim made by someone, one ALWAYS needs to (a) use the context under which the claim is made or uttered to distinguish between possible meanings of the claim and to (b) do so in a charitable way. The OP's originally claim was: "I'm review my soft factors and trying to figure out what admissions committees will be most interested." When correcting the minor errors the claim becomes: "I'm review[ing] my soft factors and trying to figure out what admission committees will be most interested [in]."

Now, how is it best to understand this? One option is to parse the independent clauses of the sentences apart, leaving two disjointed claims: (i) "I'm review[ing] my soft factors" and, (ii) "[I am] trying to figure out what admission committees will be most interested [in]." Then you proceeded to answer OP in regards to claim (ii). This is obviously not the way to understand the original claim. A second, and preferred, way to understand the original claim is as follows: "I'm review[ing] my soft factors and trying to figure out what admission committees will be most interested [in out of my following softs]." This is clearly a better interpretation since the OP continues on after this claim to list his softs. There is no mention of his GPA and LSAT. Given this glaring absence and the context under which the original claim was made, the second interpretation is the appropriate one.

Kalvano, it follows that you either read the post incorrectly or misunderstand the appropriate application of the concept of a 'soft factor' (as distinguished from a 'hard factor'). I was being charitable towards yourself and presuming the latter was not the case and, thus, inferred the former. Was I mistaken to be charitable in this regard?


You're missing the 3rd possible option. Which, after reading that post, really doesn't surprise me.

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Re: Soft Factors

Postby glitched » Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:07 am

careerchange2010 wrote:I'm review my soft factors and trying to figure out what admissions committees will be most interested. I'm also trying to figure out how much these factors will help me. Let me know your thoughts.

1) Master's Degree

2) 2 Years of AmeriCorps Service

3) Established a business

4) First Generation College Student

5) Worked 40 hours per week while doing undergraduate studies full-time

6) Undergraduate Activities - Vice President of Weekend Events for University Program Board, SGA Senator, Late Night Taskforce Member, Honors Program



What was the masters degree in? What kind of business and how successful was it?

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Re: Soft Factors

Postby careerchange2010 » Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:25 am

leeronalda wrote:
careerchange2010 wrote:I'm review my soft factors and trying to figure out what admissions committees will be most interested. I'm also trying to figure out how much these factors will help me. Let me know your thoughts.

1) Master's Degree

2) 2 Years of AmeriCorps Service

3) Established a business

4) First Generation College Student

5) Worked 40 hours per week while doing undergraduate studies full-time

6) Undergraduate Activities - Vice President of Weekend Events for University Program Board, SGA Senator, Late Night Taskforce Member, Honors Program



What was the masters degree in? What kind of business and how successful was it?



I have a Master of Science in Higher Education. I'm interested in legal issues related to K-12/Higher Education and ideally I'd like to work in an education-related practice group in a law firm.

During college I established an e-commerce business. I sold electronics repair parts online for 3 years and generated approximately $75,000 in annual revenue. It was extremely successful for what I intended it to be... a way to pay my way through college. I closed the business when I started graduate school because I didn't have time for it anymore and wanted to focus on my education.

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Re: Soft Factors

Postby ISTAND » Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:29 am

IMO AmeriCorps is your softest soft :)

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Re: Soft Factors

Postby Ragged » Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:32 am

Those are all pretty good softs for schools other than Stanford and Yale.


careerchange2010 wrote:
1) Master's Degree

2) 2 Years of AmeriCorps Service


3) Established a business


4) First Generation College Student

5) Worked 40 hours per week while doing undergraduate studies full-time

6) Undergraduate Activities - Vice President of Weekend Events for University Program Board, SGA Senator, Late Night Taskforce Member, Honors Program - depends on the university you went to


I highlighted which I think are the most impressive ones.

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Re: Soft Factors

Postby adt231 » Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:38 am

kalvano wrote: You're missing the 3rd possible option. Which, after reading that post, really doesn't surprise me.


Wait, is the third option that we should understand your claim "Your LSAT and your GPA" as meaning "soft factors don't matter at all, only the LSAT and GPA matters at all?"

Again, I just assumed that no one would say such an ignorant thing. Perhaps you are right that I should have included a refutation of it in my original response; yet, if I did that, then it would not be fair to not consider a countless number of other equally daft understandings of the OP's original statements.

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Re: Soft Factors

Postby kalvano » Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:47 am

adt231 wrote:Wait, is the third option that we should understand your claim "Your LSAT and your GPA" as meaning "soft factors don't matter at all, only the LSAT and GPA matters at all?"

Again, I just assumed that no one would say such an ignorant thing.



OK.

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Re: Soft Factors

Postby St.Remy » Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:48 am

adt231 wrote:
kalvano wrote: You're missing the 3rd possible option. Which, after reading that post, really doesn't surprise me.


Wait, is the third option that we should understand your claim "Your LSAT and your GPA" as meaning "soft factors don't matter at all, only the LSAT and GPA matters at all?"

Again, I just assumed that no one would say such an ignorant thing.


Oh adt231, you scamp! Interpreting the statement that this particular poster's soft factors won't matter very much to mean that no soft factors matter! Adt231 obviously meant to illustrate how stupid it was to make that leap. It is a good thing that adt didn't mean that post literally, or else he or she would be a moron.

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Re: Soft Factors

Postby adt231 » Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:07 am

St.Remy wrote:
adt231 wrote:
kalvano wrote: You're missing the 3rd possible option. Which, after reading that post, really doesn't surprise me.


Wait, is the third option that we should understand your claim "Your LSAT and your GPA" as meaning "soft factors don't matter at all, only the LSAT and GPA matters at all?"

Again, I just assumed that no one would say such an ignorant thing.


Oh adt231, you scamp! Interpreting the statement that this particular poster's soft factors won't matter very much to mean that no soft factors matter! Adt231 obviously meant to illustrate how stupid it was to make that leap. It is a good thing that adt didn't mean that post literally, or else he or she would be a moron.


1. Even if a person makes an idiotic claim, this obviously not a sufficient amount of evidence to infer that he or she is a moron. Idiotic statements need to be made often in order to successfully infer this.

2. If we do understand him/her not as saying that soft factors don't matter at all, but rather matter only a little bit then the OP's question remains entirely unanswered since the question is which of these soft factors is most significant. The question was not: are these factors significant AT ALL to admissions committees. Thus, actually it would be quite stupid NOT to make the leap I originally made. But, condolences to you because you are not stupid even for implying that one should not make this leap -- refer back to point 1 to see why.

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Re: Soft Factors

Postby glitched » Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:31 am

Ragged wrote:Those are all pretty good softs for schools other than Stanford and Yale.


careerchange2010 wrote:
1) Master's Degree

2) 2 Years of AmeriCorps Service


3) Established a business


4) First Generation College Student

5) Worked 40 hours per week while doing undergraduate studies full-time

6) Undergraduate Activities - Vice President of Weekend Events for University Program Board, SGA Senator, Late Night Taskforce Member, Honors Program - depends on the university you went to


I highlighted which I think are the most impressive ones.



+1. If i had to give a ranking, 2>3>5>6/1, and 4..? lol i dont know how you would work that in other than in a PS and I would imagine it would be kind of boring then.




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