## Below the 25th percentile

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ISTAND

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### Below the 25th percentile

Do schools accept applicants below the 25th %? For example if someone's LSAT is between 165-169 and the school publishes their 25th-75% scores of 170-176, do the 165-169-ers have any chance? Or is that where they'd have to have won some olympic gold medals factors in? Or does it mean 24% are accepted below that mean and 51% in the 170-176 range and 25% above that mean? If my math is way off ok to publicly shame me.
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OGR3

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### Re: Below the 25th percentile

ISTAND wrote:Do schools accept applicants below the 25th %? For example if someone's LSAT is between 165-169 and the school publishes their 25th-75% scores of 170-176, do the 165-169-ers have any chance? Or is that where they'd have to have won some olympic gold medals factors in? Or does it mean 24% are accepted below that mean and 50% in the 170-176 range and 25% above that mean?

If one stat is below the 25th %, the other is usually above 75th %.

ISTAND

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### Re: Below the 25th percentile

OGR3 wrote:

If one stat is below the 25th %, the other is usually above 75th %.

I see. thanks.

2014

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### Re: Below the 25th percentile

OGR3 wrote:
ISTAND wrote:Do schools accept applicants below the 25th %? For example if someone's LSAT is between 165-169 and the school publishes their 25th-75% scores of 170-176, do the 165-169-ers have any chance? Or is that where they'd have to have won some olympic gold medals factors in? Or does it mean 24% are accepted below that mean and 50% in the 170-176 range and 25% above that mean?

If one stat is below the 25th %, the other is usually above 75th %.

^

Unless you are an African American, Mexican, Puerto Rican, or Native American in which case all bets are off.

ISTAND

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### Re: Below the 25th percentile

2014 wrote:
Unless you are an African American, Mexican, Puerto Rican, or Native American in which case all bets are off.

Are you certain of this or being sarcastic or guessing? There are no white caucasians who would ever get in below the 25? Or just fewer in comparison to the minorities?

sundance95

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### Re: Below the 25th percentile

ISTAND wrote:Do schools accept applicants below the 25th %? For example if someone's LSAT is between 165-169 and the school publishes their 25th-75% scores of 170-176, do the 165-169-ers have any chance? Or is that where they'd have to have won some olympic gold medals factors in? Or does it mean 24% are accepted below that mean and 51% in the 170-176 range and 25% above that mean? If my math is way off ok to publicly shame me.

At least 25% of a law school's attending class are at or below the 25th percentile. HTH.

T6Hopeful

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### Re: Below the 25th percentile

ISTAND wrote:
2014 wrote:
Unless you are an African American, Mexican, Puerto Rican, or Native American in which case all bets are off.

Are you certain of this or being sarcastic or guessing? There are no white caucasians who would ever get in below the 25? Or just fewer in comparison to the minorities?

They do, but you just have to keep in mind that white caucasians (arguably) do not bring as much diversity to the table as URMs, at least not for the sake of bragging about a "diverse" class. However, if you can submit a really really well done application (incredible personal statement, diversity statement about why you, even as a white caucasian, have something interesting to bring to the table, any necessary addendums not making excuses but rather explaining why your numbers are not indicative of your law school potential), and you're at least CLOSE to both 25th percentiles (as opposed to having a 130, 2.0. That won't get you in anywhere, obviously), they MAY choose to take a chance on you. Of course, law schools really care about the numbers, so you will have to convince them that you can bring them something no higher numbers could.

im_blue

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### Re: Below the 25th percentile

Let's consider Harvard with a 25th-75th of 171-176. If you fall below this range, you either need to have 3.95+/170 with an HYP UG or other amazing soft, or be a URM in the 160s.

ISTAND

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### Re: Below the 25th percentile

T6Hopeful wrote:
They do, but you just have to keep in mind that white caucasians (arguably) do not bring as much diversity to the table as URMs, at least not for the sake of bragging about a "diverse" class. However, if you can submit a really really well done application (incredible personal statement, diversity statement about why you, even as a white caucasian, have something interesting to bring to the table, any necessary addendums not making excuses but rather explaining why your numbers are not indicative of your law school potential), and you're at least CLOSE to both 25th percentiles (as opposed to having a 130, 2.0. That won't get you in anywhere, obviously), they MAY choose to take a chance on you. Of course, law schools really care about the numbers, so you will have to convince them that you can bring them something no higher numbers could.

Yes very helpful, thanks. I wish I had thought of taking those steps. I guess I will next year unless I miraculously get in.

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### Re: Below the 25th percentile

http://officialguide.lsac.org/release/O ... fault.aspx

Click on a state, then a school, then the "Law School Description" button.
Scroll to the bottom and find your particular numbers. It will show # applied vs # admitted.
(This is available for most schools, however some opt-out.)

whymeohgodno

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### Re: Below the 25th percentile

Pray.

Judge Philip Banks

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### Re: Below the 25th percentile

Click on a state, then a school, then the "Law School Description" button.
Scroll to the bottom and find your particular numbers. It will show # applied vs # admitted.
(This is available for most schools, however some opt-out.)

Does anyone know what year this data is taken from? Can't seem to figure that out...

glewz

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### Re: Below the 25th percentile

Judge Philip Banks wrote:

Click on a state, then a school, then the "Law School Description" button.
Scroll to the bottom and find your particular numbers. It will show # applied vs # admitted.
(This is available for most schools, however some opt-out.)

Does anyone know what year this data is taken from? Can't seem to figure that out...

law schools submit data to the ABA (american bar association) every year.

im_blue

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### Re: Below the 25th percentile

Judge Philip Banks wrote:

Click on a state, then a school, then the "Law School Description" button.
Scroll to the bottom and find your particular numbers. It will show # applied vs # admitted.
(This is available for most schools, however some opt-out.)

Does anyone know what year this data is taken from? Can't seem to figure that out...

The data is from the 2010-11 entering class.

whymeohgodno

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### Re: Below the 25th percentile

Click on a state, then a school, then the "Law School Description" button.
Scroll to the bottom and find your particular numbers. It will show # applied vs # admitted.
(This is available for most schools, however some opt-out.)

Thanks.

Ragged

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### Re: Below the 25th percentile

ISTAND wrote:Do schools accept applicants below the 25th %? For example if someone's LSAT is between 165-169 and the school publishes their 25th-75% scores of 170-176, do the 165-169-ers have any chance? Or is that where they'd have to have won some olympic gold medals factors in? Or does it mean 24% are accepted below that mean and 51% in the 170-176 range and 25% above that mean? If my math is way off ok to publicly shame me.

Being below 25th on LSAT is tough to overcome for a non-URM. You pretty much have to be above 75th for GPA AND have some great softs/diversity. Below 25th GPA is easier, all you need is a really high LSAT in most cases. That's the case because high LSATs are much rarer than high GPAs. And obviously when we say below 25th we don't mean much lower, maybe within 1 or 2 LSAT points. For GPAs schools have different floors.

25th percentile does not mean necessarily that 24% are below. In your example, a large number of admitted students could have a 170 and very few students hcould have anything below.