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Gender bump?

Postby tsutsik » Fri Dec 03, 2010 6:02 pm

Is there any advantage associated with gender when it comes to admission/funding decisions?

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Re: Gender bump?

Postby im_blue » Fri Dec 03, 2010 6:25 pm

AA male probably gets more URM boost than AA female, due to the small number of applicants. Other than that, not really.

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Re: Gender bump?

Postby tsutsik » Fri Dec 03, 2010 6:33 pm

im_blue wrote:AA male probably gets more URM boost than AA female, due to the small number of applicants. Other than that, not really.


AA male gets URM boost than AA female? Why would that be?

So, if I'm a boring, white girl, I don't stand a better chance than a similarly situated, boring, white guy?

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Re: Gender bump?

Postby dakatz » Fri Dec 03, 2010 6:34 pm

tsutsik wrote:
im_blue wrote:AA male probably gets more URM boost than AA female, due to the small number of applicants. Other than that, not really.


AA male gets URM boost than AA female? Why would that be?

So, if I'm a boring, white girl, I don't stand a better chance than a similarly situated, boring, white guy?


Absolutely, 100% not. This isn't the 60's. There is no longer any sort of female/male gender disparity in admission or student body numbers. Sure, there is still a disparity in salary figures and representation amongst partners/executives/etc. But that has nothing to do with admissions to law school. If anything, there are more females than males currently in law school.

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Re: Gender bump?

Postby St.Remy » Fri Dec 03, 2010 6:36 pm

tsutsik wrote:
im_blue wrote:AA male probably gets more URM boost than AA female, due to the small number of applicants. Other than that, not really.


1) AA male gets URM boost than AA female? Why would that be?

2) So, if I'm a boring, white girl, I don't stand a better chance than a similarly situated, boring, white guy?


1) Because as im_blue mentioned, more African American women apply to law school than AA men, and because each school wants some of both they do more to get the men to attend, thus giving them a bigger admissions boost.

2) Correct.

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Re: Gender bump?

Postby tsutsik » Fri Dec 03, 2010 6:38 pm

St.Remy wrote:
tsutsik wrote:
im_blue wrote:AA male probably gets more URM boost than AA female, due to the small number of applicants. Other than that, not really.


1)Because as im_blue mentioned, more African American women apply to law school than AA men, and because each school wants some of both they do more to get the men to attend.



This is really interesting. I had no idea.

Thanks for the responses.

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Re: Gender bump?

Postby dakatz » Fri Dec 03, 2010 6:42 pm

tsutsik wrote:
St.Remy wrote:
tsutsik wrote:
im_blue wrote:AA male probably gets more URM boost than AA female, due to the small number of applicants. Other than that, not really.


1)Because as im_blue mentioned, more African American women apply to law school than AA men, and because each school wants some of both they do more to get the men to attend.



This is really interesting. I had no idea.

Thanks for the responses.


I've definitely seen this trend enough to think there was something to it. I hate getting into racially-charged discussions that arouse any sort of controversy, but I don't think there is any harm in sharing mere observations from first-hand accounts. I live fairly close to some pretty bad neighborhoods that are predominantly AA, and have many friends within that community. I find that MANY more of the females in that community strive and work to rise up and make their way out. I have no idea why this is the case, but there is certainly truth to the trend, as the numbers indicate.

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Re: Gender bump?

Postby Cupidity » Fri Dec 03, 2010 6:47 pm

It's about 52% female in my section.

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Re: Gender bump?

Postby champ33 » Fri Dec 03, 2010 6:56 pm

By gender bump do you mean a penis ?

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Re: Gender bump?

Postby tsutsik » Fri Dec 03, 2010 6:57 pm

champ33 wrote:By gender bump do you mean a penis ?


Yes.

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Re: Gender bump?

Postby bdubs » Fri Dec 03, 2010 8:35 pm

tsutsik wrote:
im_blue wrote:AA male probably gets more URM boost than AA female, due to the small number of applicants. Other than that, not really.


AA male gets URM boost than AA female? Why would that be?

So, if I'm a boring, white girl, I don't stand a better chance than a similarly situated, boring, white guy?


Ivey guide says that females get a small bump, but I am guessing that is because she did admissions at Chicago which probably has a male skewed applicant pool.

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Re: Gender bump?

Postby whymeohgodno » Fri Dec 03, 2010 8:38 pm

bdubs wrote:
tsutsik wrote:
im_blue wrote:AA male probably gets more URM boost than AA female, due to the small number of applicants. Other than that, not really.


AA male gets URM boost than AA female? Why would that be?

So, if I'm a boring, white girl, I don't stand a better chance than a similarly situated, boring, white guy?


Ivey guide says that females get a small bump, but I am guessing that is because she did admissions at Chicago which probably has a male skewed applicant pool.


Did the Ivey guide say anything about Asians?

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Re: Gender bump?

Postby r6_philly » Fri Dec 03, 2010 8:42 pm

At some T14's Asian females out number males almost 2 to 1. Maybe I will get a little boost (over Asian females)? :?

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Re: Gender bump?

Postby whymeohgodno » Fri Dec 03, 2010 8:43 pm

r6_philly wrote:At some T14's Asian females out number males almost 2 to 1. Maybe I will get a little boost (over Asian females)? :?


Most schools I've looked at seem to be like this also. I guess more qualified Asian females apply to those law schools compared to Asian males?

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Re: Gender bump?

Postby r6_philly » Fri Dec 03, 2010 8:47 pm

whymeohgodno wrote:
r6_philly wrote:At some T14's Asian females out number males almost 2 to 1. Maybe I will get a little boost (over Asian females)? :?


Most schools I've looked at seem to be like this also. I guess more qualified Asian females apply to those law schools compared to Asian males?


Maybe Asian males don't like to study as much :mrgreen: This seems to be the case for other grad schools. I wonder what are the numbers for UG and other schools.

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Re: Gender bump?

Postby ahduth » Fri Dec 03, 2010 10:57 pm

Male applicants would be the ones getting the boost right?

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Re: Gender bump?

Postby Ragged » Fri Dec 03, 2010 11:01 pm

Does eye color get a boost?

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Re: Gender bump?

Postby bdubs » Fri Dec 03, 2010 11:09 pm

It wasn't a dumb question, I don't know why you all are ragging on OP so much.

Ivey Guide wrote:Women are given a slight preference in admissions because men consistently tend to outperform them on the LSAT. The gap isn’t huge (a difference of 1.47 scaled points, according to this report), but the gap is there, so being female can make a difference on the margin. Men tend to dominate the very high scores as well. According to this article, in 2001 to 2006, a third of a percent of female test takers scored 175 or above, compared to three fourths of a percent for male test takers.


whymeohgodno wrote:Did the Ivey guide say anything about Asians?


Yes, she says Asians (and Middle Easterners) are considered in the same bucket as whites for admissions purposes.

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Re: Gender bump?

Postby Nom Sawyer » Fri Dec 03, 2010 11:10 pm

r6_philly wrote:
whymeohgodno wrote:
r6_philly wrote:At some T14's Asian females out number males almost 2 to 1. Maybe I will get a little boost (over Asian females)? :?


Most schools I've looked at seem to be like this also. I guess more qualified Asian females apply to those law schools compared to Asian males?


Maybe Asian males don't like to study as much :mrgreen: This seems to be the case for other grad schools. I wonder what are the numbers for UG and other schools.


hmm I don't think so... So far it seems Asian males and females are almost perfectly even. I remember when I looked at LSAC stats it was pretty much 50/50 too.

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Re: Gender bump?

Postby r6_philly » Fri Dec 03, 2010 11:49 pm

Nom Sawyer wrote:
hmm I don't think so... So far it seems Asian males and females are almost perfectly even. I remember when I looked at LSAC stats it was pretty much 50/50 too.


Chicago 7.4% M 16.7% F
Columbia 10.9% M 17.9% F
NYU 10% M 10% F
Penn 12.4% M 15.5% F
Yale 7.5% M 16% F
Stanford 11.6% M 13.7% F
UCLA 14.8% M 21.4% F
GULC 7.7% M 10.5% F
Berkeley 15.9% M 20.3% F
Cornell 10.7% M 21.3% F
Michigan 8.8% M 17.1% F

I don't know which LSAC stats you were looking at but you didn't look at these.

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Re: Gender bump?

Postby Jen Loblaw » Fri Dec 03, 2010 11:56 pm

piggy back question:

i am a female engineering student. would i get any tiny boost being that females are basically urms in the engineering world?

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Re: Gender bump?

Postby whymeohgodno » Fri Dec 03, 2010 11:57 pm

r6_philly wrote:
Nom Sawyer wrote:
hmm I don't think so... So far it seems Asian males and females are almost perfectly even. I remember when I looked at LSAC stats it was pretty much 50/50 too.


Chicago 7.4% M 16.7% F
Columbia 10.9% M 17.9% F
NYU 10% M 10% F
Penn 12.4% M 15.5% F
Yale 7.5% M 16% F
Stanford 11.6% M 13.7% F
UCLA 14.8% M 21.4% F
GULC 7.7% M 10.5% F
Berkeley 15.9% M 20.3% F
Cornell 10.7% M 21.3% F
Michigan 8.8% M 17.1% F

I don't know which LSAC stats you were looking at but you didn't look at these.


I'm confused. Shouldn't those stats add up to 100%?

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Re: Gender bump?

Postby Ragged » Sat Dec 04, 2010 12:03 am

whymeohgodno wrote:
r6_philly wrote:
Nom Sawyer wrote:
hmm I don't think so... So far it seems Asian males and females are almost perfectly even. I remember when I looked at LSAC stats it was pretty much 50/50 too.


Chicago 7.4% M 16.7% F
Columbia 10.9% M 17.9% F
NYU 10% M 10% F
Penn 12.4% M 15.5% F
Yale 7.5% M 16% F
Stanford 11.6% M 13.7% F
UCLA 14.8% M 21.4% F
GULC 7.7% M 10.5% F
Berkeley 15.9% M 20.3% F
Cornell 10.7% M 21.3% F
Michigan 8.8% M 17.1% F

I don't know which LSAC stats you were looking at but you didn't look at these.


I'm confused. Shouldn't those stats add up to 100%?


I think the percentages are for the overall student body so no.

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Re: Gender bump?

Postby whymeohgodno » Sat Dec 04, 2010 12:04 am

Ragged wrote:
whymeohgodno wrote:
r6_philly wrote:
Nom Sawyer wrote:
hmm I don't think so... So far it seems Asian males and females are almost perfectly even. I remember when I looked at LSAC stats it was pretty much 50/50 too.


Chicago 7.4% M 16.7% F
Columbia 10.9% M 17.9% F
NYU 10% M 10% F
Penn 12.4% M 15.5% F
Yale 7.5% M 16% F
Stanford 11.6% M 13.7% F
UCLA 14.8% M 21.4% F
GULC 7.7% M 10.5% F
Berkeley 15.9% M 20.3% F
Cornell 10.7% M 21.3% F
Michigan 8.8% M 17.1% F

I don't know which LSAC stats you were looking at but you didn't look at these.


I'm confused. Shouldn't those stats add up to 100%?


I think the percentages are for the overall student body so no.


That makes no sense. Cornell doesn't have over 31% Asian population.

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Re: Gender bump?

Postby Ragged » Sat Dec 04, 2010 12:06 am

whymeohgodno wrote:
Ragged wrote:
whymeohgodno wrote:
r6_philly wrote:[

Chicago 7.4% M 16.7% F
Columbia 10.9% M 17.9% F
NYU 10% M 10% F
Penn 12.4% M 15.5% F
Yale 7.5% M 16% F
Stanford 11.6% M 13.7% F
UCLA 14.8% M 21.4% F
GULC 7.7% M 10.5% F
Berkeley 15.9% M 20.3% F
Cornell 10.7% M 21.3% F
Michigan 8.8% M 17.1% F

I don't know which LSAC stats you were looking at but you didn't look at these.


I'm confused. Shouldn't those stats add up to 100%?


I think the percentages are for the overall student body so no.


That makes no sense. Cornell doesn't have over 31% Asian population.


It does seem a bit high doesn't it? I wouldn't be surprised though.




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